IRC log of rd on 2012-05-02
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 7394
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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- Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 02 May 2012
- 13:29:56 [shadi]
- zakim, this is rdwg
- 13:29:57 [Zakim]
- shadi, I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be rdwg".
- 13:30:14 [Zakim]
- WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
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- +Shawn
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- +Yehya
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- +Shadi
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- giorgio has joined #rd
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- +??P14
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- +??P17
- 13:32:48 [sharper]
- sharper has joined #rd
- 13:33:04 [christos]
- zakim, ??P17 is me
- 13:33:04 [Zakim]
- +christos; got it
- 13:33:13 [sharper]
- zakim, agenda?
- 13:33:13 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 10. Any Other Business [from sharper]
- 13:33:30 [sharper]
- zakim, delete item 10
- 13:33:30 [Zakim]
- agendum 10, Any Other Business, dropped
- 13:33:34 [Yehya]
- Yehya has joined #rd
- 13:33:35 [giorgio]
- zakim, ??p14 is giorgio
- 13:33:35 [Zakim]
- +giorgio; got it
- 13:33:36 [Zakim]
- +??P18
- 13:33:39 [sharper]
- zakim, save agenda
- 13:33:41 [christos]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:33:44 [Joshue108]
- zakim, ??P18 is Joshue
- 13:33:45 [Zakim]
- ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-agenda.rdf
- 13:33:47 [Zakim]
- christos should now be muted
- 13:33:47 [Zakim]
- +Joshue; got it
- 13:33:52 [sharper]
- Chair: Harper_Simon
- 13:33:53 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
- 13:33:53 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012. (answer by 30 April 2012)
- 13:33:53 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)
- 13:33:54 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Topic 3 Timelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline
- 13:33:54 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) - http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design
- 13:33:57 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility (Yeliz, Peter, Simon)
- 13:33:59 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon)
- 13:34:00 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Issues and Actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/
- 13:34:02 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Any Other Business
- 13:34:08 [sharper]
- Zakim, save agenda
- 13:34:08 [Zakim]
- ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-agenda.rdf
- 13:34:14 [sharper]
- zakim, take up item 11
- 13:34:14 [Zakim]
- agendum 11. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
- 13:34:35 [Joshue108]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:34:35 [Zakim]
- Joshue should now be muted
- 13:35:05 [Zakim]
- +??P20
- 13:35:20 [Joshue108]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:35:20 [Zakim]
- Joshue should no longer be muted
- 13:35:23 [sharper]
- zakim, ??P20 is sharper
- 13:35:23 [Zakim]
- +sharper; got it
- 13:36:12 [christos]
- yes
- 13:36:25 [christos]
- zakim ack me
- 13:36:26 [shadi]
- scribe: Christos
- 13:36:49 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:36:49 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 13:36:57 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 13:36:57 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Shawn, Yehya, Shadi (muted), giorgio, christos (muted), Joshue, sharper
- 13:37:08 [shadi]
- zakim, who is muted?
- 13:37:08 [Zakim]
- I see Shadi, christos muted
- 13:37:58 [christos]
- sh: Thanks everone for attending the meeting
- 13:38:19 [shadi]
- https://www.openconf.org/MobileAccess/
- 13:38:31 [shawn]
- [[Shawn did send a reminder via twitter & WAI IG e-mail ]]
- 13:38:41 [christos]
- sh: I think we should leave the openconf system open just to make sure we get all submissions
- 13:38:52 [Joshue108]
- zakim, noise?
- 13:38:52 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, Joshue108.
- 13:39:21 [giorgio]
- what is the name of this tool/system/approach?
- 13:39:30 [christos]
- sh: is it possible to get the proceedings electronically?
- 13:39:52 [shadi]
- q+ to ask about proceedings feature
- 13:39:56 [Joshue108]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:39:56 [Zakim]
- Joshue should now be muted
- 13:39:59 [shadi]
- ack me
- 13:40:00 [Zakim]
- shadi, you wanted to ask about proceedings feature
- 13:40:16 [christos]
- zakim, ack me
- 13:40:16 [Zakim]
- unmuting christos
- 13:40:17 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 13:41:07 [christos]
- sh: There are modules in the open conf and can produce automatic a program and proceedings for the conference
- 13:42:01 [christos]
- sh: It moves from a sumbission system to a proceedings production system
- 13:42:28 [giorgio]
- the openconf module for generating the proceedings might be useful for us to produce a draft, that then will need to edited manually I guess.
- 13:42:59 [christos]
- saz: I think we need to purchase some additional licences...
- 13:43:04 [Joshue108]
- +1 to Shadi
- 13:43:11 [shawn]
- q+ to say prefer to have proceedings on W3C website -- although maybe using their proceedings generator if it will help create proceedings for W3C site
- 13:43:19 [christos]
- saz: we might test the process and see what we need in the future
- 13:44:01 [Joshue108]
- +1 to Simon
- 13:44:07 [christos]
- sh: we have to decide what it is that we want and the mobile conference could work as a test
- 13:44:08 [shawn]
- ack me
- 13:44:08 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to say prefer to have proceedings on W3C website -- although maybe using their proceedings generator if it will help create proceedings for W3C site
- 13:44:41 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:44:41 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 13:44:48 [christos]
- saz: we are going to have the openconf in w3c space ...
- 13:45:27 [sharper]
- zakim, agenda?
- 13:45:27 [Zakim]
- I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
- 13:45:28 [Zakim]
- 11. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
- 13:45:28 [Zakim]
- 12. Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012. (answer by 30 April
- 13:45:28 [Zakim]
- ... 2012) [from sharper]
- 13:45:28 [Zakim]
- 13. Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi) [from sharper]
- 13:45:29 [Zakim]
- 14. Topic 3 Timelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline [from sharper]
- 13:45:31 [Zakim]
- 15. Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) - http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design [from sharper]
- 13:45:34 [Zakim]
- 16. Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility (Yeliz, Peter, Simon) [from sharper]
- 13:45:38 [Zakim]
- 17. Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon) [from sharper]
- 13:45:39 [Zakim]
- 18. Issues and Actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [from sharper]
- 13:45:39 [christos]
- zakim, close item 11
- 13:45:41 [Zakim]
- 19. Any Other Business [from sharper]
- 13:45:44 [Zakim]
- agendum 11, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
- 13:45:45 [Zakim]
- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 13:45:47 [Zakim]
- 12. Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012. (answer by 30 April
- 13:45:50 [Zakim]
- ... 2012) [from sharper]
- 13:45:57 [christos]
- zakim, take up item 12
- 13:45:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 12. "Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012. (answer by 30
- 13:46:01 [Zakim]
- ... April 2012)" taken up [from sharper]
- 13:46:32 [Joshue108]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:46:32 [Zakim]
- Joshue should no longer be muted
- 13:46:35 [Joshue108]
- +q
- 13:46:38 [Joshue108]
- ack me
- 13:46:55 [christos]
- sh; feedback from the f2f meetings suggests we could move the f2f meeting to other conferences
- 13:46:56 [giorgio]
- I know I won't be ble to be there
- 13:46:58 [Joshue108]
- +1 meeting at TPAC
- 13:47:04 [shawn]
- survey results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/F2F-Where/results#xcoming
- 13:47:35 [christos]
- giorgio: wiil be in TPAC
- 13:48:23 [giorgio]
- giorgio will not be at TPAC
- 13:48:26 [shadi]
- ack me
- 13:48:27 [christos]
- sh: w4a seems to be the best other choice
- 13:48:47 [christos]
- sh: may be we need a couple of alternatives
- 13:49:14 [christos]
- saz: w4a might be best
- 13:49:20 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:49:20 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 13:49:49 [giorgio]
- q+
- 13:50:02 [christos]
- sh: assets is in us in october... so it is a bit difficult
- 13:50:24 [sharper]
- ack g
- 13:50:28 [christos]
- sh: we say no to TPAC and see what we can do with that
- 13:50:53 [shadi]
- zakim, who is muted?
- 13:50:53 [Zakim]
- I see Shadi muted
- 13:50:57 [christos]
- giorgio: assets might be a good opportunity to have some more americans in the group
- 13:51:21 [shadi]
- october will be difficult for me
- 13:51:31 [shadi]
- ack me
- 13:51:40 [Joshue108]
- I won't be at assets
- 13:51:50 [shawn]
- ack me
- 13:52:24 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:52:24 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 13:52:32 [vivienne]
- vivienne has joined #rd
- 13:53:11 [shadi]
- ack me
- 13:53:16 [christos]
- RESOLUTION: We will not use the TPAC for the face to face meeting
- 13:55:03 [Zakim]
- +??P21
- 13:55:26 [vivienne]
- zakim, ??P21 is me
- 13:55:26 [Zakim]
- +vivienne; got it
- 13:56:09 [vivienne]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:56:09 [Zakim]
- vivienne should now be muted
- 13:56:26 [christos]
- saz: another we should look at is good standing of participants
- 13:56:33 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:56:33 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 13:57:04 [shawn]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:57:04 [Zakim]
- Shawn should now be muted
- 13:57:13 [shadi]
- ack me
- 13:57:26 [christos]
- sh: TPAC on october - november cannot work
- 13:57:30 [christos]
- +1
- 13:57:32 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:57:32 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 13:57:32 [sharper]
- +1
- 13:57:36 [Joshue108]
- +1
- 13:57:38 [giorgio]
- +1
- 13:57:39 [vivienne]
- ?
- 13:57:42 [Yehya]
- -1
- 13:57:57 [giorgio]
- oh sorry: tpac for me is -1
- 13:58:10 [christos]
- zakim, close item 12
- 13:58:10 [Zakim]
- agendum 12, Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012. (answer by 30
- 13:58:13 [Zakim]
- ... April 2012), closed
- 13:58:13 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 13:58:13 [Zakim]
- 13. Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi) [from sharper]
- 13:58:24 [christos]
- zakim, take up item 13
- 13:58:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 13. "Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)" taken up [from sharper]
- 13:58:33 [shadi]
- ack me
- 13:58:38 [giorgio]
- maybe shadi or josh?
- 13:59:02 [christos]
- saz: I finally got to put it in a working group note
- 13:59:04 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120427.html
- 13:59:17 [Joshue108]
- no worries
- 13:59:25 [giorgio]
- me neither - was able to look at it.
- 13:59:30 [Joshue108]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:59:30 [Zakim]
- Joshue was not muted, Joshue108
- 13:59:31 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:59:31 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 13:59:43 [christos]
- saz: there are a number of things missing and josque is taking care of them
- 13:59:55 [shawn]
- q+ to ask about Symposium publication package design http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design -- know anyone who wants to take up this small design challenge?
- 14:00:10 [shadi]
- ack me
- 14:00:14 [christos]
- josque: I did some of the work...
- 14:00:33 [Joshue108]
- s/josque/Joshue
- 14:00:46 [christos]
- josque: I can finish the TOC and send it to shadi
- 14:01:12 [christos]
- saz: status of the document should also be taken care
- 14:01:45 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:01:45 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 14:01:46 [christos]
- saz: we should have a draft ready for next week
- 14:02:31 [Joshue108]
- Sorry guys I've got to go
- 14:02:31 [shadi]
- ack me
- 14:02:54 [christos]
- josque: I sent some comment about the scope of the status... it could be good to put in the begining
- 14:02:58 [giorgio]
- Josh: I could look at the draft next week. Not before Monday for sure.
- 14:03:08 [Joshue108]
- bye
- 14:03:13 [shadi]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:03:13 [Zakim]
- Shadi should now be muted
- 14:03:19 [Zakim]
- -Joshue
- 14:03:42 [shadi]
- ack me
- 14:03:57 [sharper]
- action: sharper to look at the 'Status of this document' wording http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120427.html
- 14:03:57 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-17 - Look at the 'Status of this document' wording http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120427.html [on Simon Harper - due 2012-05-09].
- 14:04:08 [shawn]
- q?
- 14:04:13 [shawn]
- ack me
- 14:04:14 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to ask about Symposium publication package design http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design -- know anyone who wants to take up this small design challenge?
- 14:04:45 [christos]
- shawn: I got the symposium publication design and we could discuss it now
- 14:06:34 [christos]
- shawn: this is more of a spec of what we want
- 14:07:09 [christos]
- shawn: I tried to spec out some requirements and leave a bit of flexibility
- 14:08:09 [christos]
- saz: I think there are some guidelines that could be used
- 14:09:42 [christos]
- saz: we usually have the call for papers... and then the main page gets the focus
- 14:10:16 [christos]
- sh: is this something that the ACT project could help?
- 14:10:39 [christos]
- saz: I ll talk with Klaus and see
- 14:11:39 [christos]
- saz: what is the purpose of the margin in the paper page?
- 14:12:05 [christos]
- shawn: it could be used for navigation
- 14:12:52 [christos]
- sh: we could have a more detailed discussion on the coming meetings
- 14:13:17 [christos]
- sh: but I think it's quite ok and complete
- 14:13:38 [giorgio]
- q+
- 14:14:58 [christos]
- shawn: one of the goals was to design a nice proceedings package but not look like a w3c edited document
- 14:16:20 [christos]
- giorgio: the overall idea for the main page is quite good
- 14:16:45 [christos]
- giorgio: I am not sure about the margin in the papers page
- 14:16:55 [shadi]
- q+ to ask giorgio about nav in the margin
- 14:17:01 [sharper]
- ack g
- 14:17:03 [shadi]
- ack me
- 14:17:03 [Zakim]
- shadi, you wanted to ask giorgio about nav in the margin
- 14:17:05 [sharper]
- ack s
- 14:17:31 [giorgio]
- perfectly good!
- 14:17:42 [vivienne]
- I like the idea of the papers listed on the left as well
- 14:17:46 [christos]
- saz: whould a navigation bar in the side be usefull?
- 14:17:51 [christos]
- giorgio; yes
- 14:18:46 [giorgio]
- q+
- 14:18:54 [christos]
- saz: the links in the top navigation should be also changed
- 14:19:30 [sharper]
- http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
- 14:19:43 [christos]
- sh: this is some kind of CMS
- 14:19:52 [sharper]
- http://www.w3.org/community/
- 14:19:56 [christos]
- sh: could we use that system?
- 14:21:04 [christos]
- shawn: it's still a bit difficult to use and might need a lot of support
- 14:21:40 [christos]
- sh: it looks quite good to be used for that purpose...
- 14:23:26 [vivienne]
- I realy like the page
- 14:23:39 [christos]
- shawn: we could find out what are the good points and include them in the style
- 14:23:57 [christos]
- giorgio: I think its good and it is quite friendly
- 14:24:02 [vivienne]
- it also would encourage people to submit new ideas as you discussed a little while ago
- 14:24:05 [giorgio]
- ok, thanks
- 14:24:13 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/techpapers
- 14:25:15 [christos]
- saz: we could possibly generate an overall page of all the symposia to tie all symposia together
- 14:26:03 [christos]
- saz: we could also have a wordpress instance but we should be quite serious about this
- 14:26:08 [giorgio]
- q+
- 14:26:12 [sharper]
- ack g
- 14:26:55 [vivienne]
- q+
- 14:26:59 [christos]
- giorgio: shadi has a good idea... authors in symposia could participate and help in maintaining and provide content for that blog
- 14:27:19 [vivienne]
- ack me
- 14:27:20 [sharper]
- ack v
- 14:27:30 [christos]
- saz: how long whould that last?
- 14:27:44 [christos]
- giorgio: we could try
- 14:28:15 [shawn]
- q+ to say possibly would fit as thread under WAI-Engage http://www.w3.org/community/wai-engage/
- 14:28:24 [shawn]
- ack me
- 14:28:24 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to say possibly would fit as thread under WAI-Engage http://www.w3.org/community/wai-engage/
- 14:28:24 [sharper]
- ack s
- 14:28:28 [christos]
- viviene: we could have author to answer questions in the papers... it becomes like a talk to the author possibility that we can have there
- 14:28:39 [vivienne]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:28:39 [Zakim]
- vivienne should now be muted
- 14:29:14 [christos]
- shawn: there is a community group for accessibility and they might be able to use them
- 14:29:57 [shadi]
- q+ to say use WAI-Engage for this symposium?
- 14:30:08 [sharper]
- ack s
- 14:30:08 [Zakim]
- shadi, you wanted to say use WAI-Engage for this symposium?
- 14:30:09 [shadi]
- ack me
- 14:30:10 [christos]
- sh: we should try something like that... and especially if could tie this with social networks
- 14:31:00 [giorgio]
- yes. I would be specific and explicit in that we put the onus on authors, mainly.
- 14:31:14 [christos]
- saz: maybe we could try it out as giorgio suggested and see how it works and see for the following webinar how do we want to to tweak that...
- 14:31:18 [shadi]
- scribe: shadi
- 14:31:26 [Zakim]
- -christos
- 14:33:29 [vivienne]
- ack me
- 14:34:04 [vivienne]
- Shadi, LOL, forgot to unmute myself
- 14:34:14 [giorgio]
- ok bye
- 14:34:16 [Yehya]
- bye
- 14:34:16 [vivienne]
- bye
- 14:34:18 [Zakim]
- -Shadi
- 14:34:20 [vivienne]
- vivienne has left #rd
- 14:34:23 [Zakim]
- -giorgio
- 14:34:24 [Zakim]
- -Shawn
- 14:34:24 [Zakim]
- -sharper
- 14:34:26 [Zakim]
- -vivienne
- 14:34:26 [Zakim]
- -Yehya
- 14:34:26 [Zakim]
- WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
- 14:34:26 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Shawn, Yehya, Shadi, christos, giorgio, Joshue, sharper, vivienne
- 14:49:32 [shadi]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 14:49:32 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 14:49:32 [Zakim]
- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
- 14:49:40 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 14:49:40 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-minutes.html trackbot
- 14:49:41 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 14:49:41 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-actions.rdf :
- 14:49:41 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: sharper to look at the 'Status of this document' wording http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120427.html [1]
- 14:49:41 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-irc#T14-03-57