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13:29:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:29:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:29:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:29:45 <trackbot> Date: 02 May 2012
13:29:56 <shadi> zakim, this is rdwg
13:29:57 <Zakim> shadi, I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be rdwg".
13:30:14 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
13:30:21 <Zakim> +Shawn
13:30:22 <Zakim> +Yehya
13:30:45 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:30:56 <giorgio> giorgio has joined #rd
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13:32:38 <Zakim> +??P14
13:32:42 <Zakim> +??P17
13:32:48 <sharper> sharper has joined #rd
13:33:04 <christos> zakim, ??P17 is me
13:33:04 <Zakim> +christos; got it
13:33:13 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
13:33:13 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
13:33:15 <Zakim> 10. Any Other Business [from sharper]
13:33:30 <sharper> zakim, delete item 10
13:33:30 <Zakim> agendum 10, Any Other Business, dropped
13:33:34 <Yehya> Yehya has joined #rd
13:33:35 <giorgio> zakim, ??p14 is giorgio
13:33:35 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
13:33:36 <Zakim> +??P18
13:33:39 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:33:41 <christos> zakim, mute me
13:33:44 <Joshue108> zakim, ??P18 is Joshue
13:33:45 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-agenda.rdf
13:33:47 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
13:33:47 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
13:33:52 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:33:53 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
13:33:53 <sharper> Agenda+ Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012.  (answer by 30 April 2012)
13:33:53 <sharper> Agenda+ Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)
13:33:54 <sharper> Agenda+ Topic 3 Timelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline
13:33:54 <sharper> Agenda+ Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) - http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design
13:33:57 <sharper> Agenda+ Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility (Yeliz, Peter, Simon)
13:33:59 <sharper> Agenda+ Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon)
13:34:00 <sharper> Agenda+ Issues and Actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/
13:34:02 <sharper> Agenda+ Any Other Business
13:34:08 <sharper> Zakim, save agenda
13:34:08 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-agenda.rdf
13:34:14 <sharper> zakim, take up item 11
13:34:14 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:34:35 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
13:34:35 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
13:35:05 <Zakim> +??P20
13:35:20 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
13:35:20 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
13:35:23 <sharper> zakim, ??P20 is sharper
13:35:23 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:36:12 <christos> yes
13:36:25 <christos> zakim ack me
13:36:26 <shadi> scribe: Christos
13:36:49 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:36:49 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:36:57 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:36:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shawn, Yehya, Shadi (muted), giorgio, christos (muted), Joshue, sharper
13:37:08 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
13:37:08 <Zakim> I see Shadi, christos muted
13:37:58 <christos> sh: Thanks everone for attending the meeting
13:38:19 <shadi> https://www.openconf.org/MobileAccess/
13:38:31 <shawn> [[Shawn did send a reminder via twitter & WAI IG e-mail ]]
13:38:41 <christos> sh: I think we should leave the openconf system open just to make sure we get all submissions
13:38:52 <Joshue108> zakim, noise?
13:38:52 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Joshue108.
13:39:21 <giorgio> what is the name of this tool/system/approach?
13:39:30 <christos> sh: is it possible to get the proceedings electronically?
13:39:52 <shadi> q+ to ask about proceedings feature
13:39:56 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
13:39:56 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
13:39:59 <shadi> ack me
13:40:00 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to ask about proceedings feature
13:40:16 <christos> zakim, ack me
13:40:16 <Zakim> unmuting christos
13:40:17 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:41:07 <christos> sh: There are modules in the open conf and can produce automatic a program and proceedings for the conference
13:42:01 <christos> sh: It moves from a sumbission system to a proceedings production system
13:42:28 <giorgio> the openconf module for generating the proceedings might be useful for us to produce a draft, that then will need to edited manually I guess.
13:42:59 <christos> saz: I think we need to purchase some additional licences... 
13:43:04 <Joshue108> +1 to Shadi
13:43:11 <shawn> q+ to say prefer to have proceedings on W3C website -- although maybe using their proceedings generator if it will help create proceedings for W3C site
13:43:19 <christos> saz: we might test the process and see what we need in the future
13:44:01 <Joshue108> +1 to Simon
13:44:07 <christos> sh: we have to decide what it is that we want and the mobile conference could work as a test
13:44:08 <shawn> ack me
13:44:08 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say prefer to have proceedings on W3C website -- although maybe using their proceedings generator if it will help create proceedings for W3C site
13:44:41 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:44:41 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:44:48 <christos> saz: we are going to have the openconf in w3c space ... 
13:45:27 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
13:45:27 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
13:45:28 <Zakim> 11. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:45:28 <Zakim> 12. Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012.  (answer by 30 April
13:45:28 <Zakim> ... 2012) [from sharper]
13:45:28 <Zakim> 13. Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi) [from sharper]
13:45:29 <Zakim> 14. Topic 3 Timelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline [from sharper]
13:45:31 <Zakim> 15. Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) - http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design [from sharper]
13:45:34 <Zakim> 16. Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility (Yeliz, Peter, Simon) [from sharper]
13:45:38 <Zakim> 17. Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon) [from sharper]
13:45:39 <Zakim> 18. Issues and Actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [from sharper]
13:45:39 <christos> zakim, close item 11
13:45:41 <Zakim> 19. Any Other Business [from sharper]
13:45:44 <Zakim> agendum 11, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
13:45:45 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:45:47 <Zakim> 12. Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012.  (answer by 30 April
13:45:50 <Zakim> ... 2012) [from sharper]
13:45:57 <christos> zakim, take up item 12
13:45:57 <Zakim> agendum 12. "Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012.  (answer by 30
13:46:01 <Zakim> ... April 2012)" taken up [from sharper]
13:46:32 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
13:46:32 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
13:46:35 <Joshue108> +q
13:46:38 <Joshue108> ack me
13:46:55 <christos> sh; feedback from the f2f meetings suggests we could move the f2f meeting to other conferences
13:46:56 <giorgio> I know I won't be ble to be there
13:46:58 <Joshue108> +1 meeting at TPAC
13:47:04 <shawn> survey results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/F2F-Where/results#xcoming
13:47:35 <christos> giorgio: wiil be in TPAC
13:48:23 <giorgio> giorgio will not be at TPAC
13:48:26 <shadi> ack me
13:48:27 <christos> sh: w4a seems to be the best other choice
13:48:47 <christos> sh: may be we need a couple of alternatives
13:49:14 <christos> saz: w4a might be best
13:49:20 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:49:20 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:49:49 <giorgio> q+
13:50:02 <christos> sh: assets is in us in october... so it is a bit difficult
13:50:24 <sharper> ack g
13:50:28 <christos> sh: we say no to TPAC and see what we can do with that
13:50:53 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
13:50:53 <Zakim> I see Shadi muted
13:50:57 <christos> giorgio: assets might be a good opportunity to have some more americans in the group
13:51:21 <shadi> october will be difficult for me
13:51:31 <shadi> ack me
13:51:40 <Joshue108> I won't be at assets
13:51:50 <shawn> ack me
13:52:24 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:52:24 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:52:32 <vivienne> vivienne has joined #rd
13:53:11 <shadi> ack me
13:53:16 <christos> RESOLUTION: We will not use the TPAC for the face to face meeting
13:55:03 <Zakim> +??P21
13:55:26 <vivienne> zakim, ??P21 is me
13:55:26 <Zakim> +vivienne; got it
13:56:09 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:56:09 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
13:56:26 <christos> saz: another we should look at is good standing of participants
13:56:33 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:56:33 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:57:04 <shawn> zakim, mute me
13:57:04 <Zakim> Shawn should now be muted
13:57:13 <shadi> ack me
13:57:26 <christos> sh: TPAC on october - november cannot work
13:57:30 <christos> +1
13:57:32 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:57:32 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:57:32 <sharper> +1
13:57:36 <Joshue108> +1
13:57:38 <giorgio> +1
13:57:39 <vivienne> ?
13:57:42 <Yehya> -1
13:57:57 <giorgio> oh sorry: tpac for me is -1
13:58:10 <christos> zakim, close item 12
13:58:10 <Zakim> agendum 12, Face to Face Meeting Discussion - TPAC2012 will be held in Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon from 29 October through 2 November 2012.  (answer by 30
13:58:13 <Zakim> ... April 2012), closed
13:58:13 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:58:13 <Zakim> 13. Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi) [from sharper]
13:58:24 <christos> zakim, take up item 13
13:58:24 <Zakim> agendum 13. "Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)" taken up [from sharper]
13:58:33 <shadi> ack me
13:58:38 <giorgio> maybe shadi or josh?
13:59:02 <christos> saz: I finally got to put it in a working group note
13:59:04 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120427.html
13:59:17 <Joshue108> no worries
13:59:25 <giorgio> me neither - was able to look at it.
13:59:30 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
13:59:30 <Zakim> Joshue was not muted, Joshue108
13:59:31 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:59:31 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:59:43 <christos> saz: there are a number of things missing and josque is taking care of them
13:59:55 <shawn> q+ to ask about Symposium publication package design http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design -- know anyone who wants to take up this small design challenge?
14:00:10 <shadi> ack me
14:00:14 <christos> josque: I did some of the work...
14:00:33 <Joshue108> s/josque/Joshue
14:00:46 <christos> josque: I can finish the TOC and send it to shadi
14:01:12 <christos> saz: status of the document should also be taken care
14:01:45 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:01:45 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:01:46 <christos> saz: we should have a draft ready for next week
14:02:31 <Joshue108> Sorry guys I've got to go
14:02:31 <shadi> ack me
14:02:54 <christos> josque: I sent some comment about the scope of the status... it could be good to put in the begining
14:02:58 <giorgio> Josh: I could look at the draft next week. Not before Monday for sure.
14:03:08 <Joshue108> bye
14:03:13 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:03:13 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:03:19 <Zakim> -Joshue
14:03:42 <shadi> ack me
14:03:57 <sharper> action: sharper to look at the 'Status of this document' wording http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120427.html
14:03:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Look at the 'Status of this document' wording http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120427.html [on Simon Harper - due 2012-05-09].
14:04:08 <shawn> q?
14:04:13 <shawn> ack me
14:04:14 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask about Symposium publication package design http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design -- know anyone who wants to take up this small design challenge?
14:04:45 <christos> shawn: I got the symposium publication design and we could discuss it now
14:06:34 <christos> shawn: this is more of a spec of what we want
14:07:09 <christos> shawn: I tried to spec out some requirements and leave a bit of flexibility
14:08:09 <christos> saz: I think there are some guidelines that could be used 
14:09:42 <christos> saz: we usually have the call for papers... and then the main page gets the focus
14:10:16 <christos> sh: is this something that the ACT project could help?
14:10:39 <christos> saz: I ll talk with Klaus and see
14:11:39 <christos> saz: what is the purpose of the margin in the paper page?
14:12:05 <christos> shawn: it could be used for navigation
14:12:52 <christos> sh: we could have a more detailed discussion on the coming meetings
14:13:17 <christos> sh: but I think it's quite ok and complete
14:13:38 <giorgio> q+
14:14:58 <christos> shawn: one of the goals was to design a nice proceedings package but not look like a w3c edited document
14:16:20 <christos> giorgio: the overall idea for the main page is quite good
14:16:45 <christos> giorgio: I am not sure about the margin in the papers page
14:16:55 <shadi> q+ to ask giorgio about nav in the margin
14:17:01 <sharper> ack g
14:17:03 <shadi> ack me
14:17:03 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to ask giorgio about nav in the margin
14:17:05 <sharper> ack s
14:17:31 <giorgio> perfectly good!
14:17:42 <vivienne> I like the idea of the papers listed on the left as well
14:17:46 <christos> saz: whould a navigation bar in the side be usefull?
14:17:51 <christos> giorgio; yes
14:18:46 <giorgio> q+
14:18:54 <christos> saz: the links in the top navigation should be also changed
14:19:30 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
14:19:43 <christos> sh: this is some kind of CMS
14:19:52 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/community/
14:19:56 <christos> sh: could we use that system?
14:21:04 <christos> shawn: it's still a bit difficult to use and might need a lot of support
14:21:40 <christos> sh: it looks quite good to be used for that purpose...
14:23:26 <vivienne> I realy like the page
14:23:39 <christos> shawn: we could find out what are the good points and include them in the style
14:23:57 <christos> giorgio: I think its good and it is quite friendly
14:24:02 <vivienne> it also would encourage people to submit new ideas as you discussed a little while ago
14:24:05 <giorgio> ok, thanks
14:24:13 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/techpapers
14:25:15 <christos> saz: we could possibly generate an overall page of all the symposia to tie all symposia together
14:26:03 <christos> saz: we could also have a wordpress instance but we should be quite serious about this
14:26:08 <giorgio> q+
14:26:12 <sharper> ack g
14:26:55 <vivienne> q+
14:26:59 <christos> giorgio: shadi has a good idea... authors in symposia could participate and help in maintaining and provide content for that blog
14:27:19 <vivienne> ack me
14:27:20 <sharper> ack v
14:27:30 <christos> saz: how long whould that last?
14:27:44 <christos> giorgio: we could try
14:28:15 <shawn> q+ to say possibly would fit as thread under WAI-Engage http://www.w3.org/community/wai-engage/
14:28:24 <shawn> ack me
14:28:24 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say possibly would fit as thread under WAI-Engage http://www.w3.org/community/wai-engage/
14:28:24 <sharper> ack s
14:28:28 <christos> viviene: we could have author to answer questions in the papers... it becomes like a talk to the author possibility that we can have there
14:28:39 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:28:39 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
14:29:14 <christos> shawn: there is a community group for accessibility and they might be able to use them
14:29:57 <shadi> q+ to say use WAI-Engage for this symposium?
14:30:08 <sharper> ack s
14:30:08 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to say use WAI-Engage for this symposium?
14:30:09 <shadi> ack me
14:30:10 <christos> sh: we should try something like that... and especially if could tie this with social networks
14:31:00 <giorgio> yes. I would be specific and explicit in that we put the onus on authors, mainly.
14:31:14 <christos> saz: maybe we could try it out as giorgio suggested and see how it works and see for the following webinar how do we want to to tweak that...
14:31:18 <shadi> scribe: shadi
14:31:26 <Zakim> -christos
14:33:29 <vivienne> ack me
14:34:04 <vivienne> Shadi, LOL, forgot to unmute myself
14:34:14 <giorgio> ok bye
14:34:16 <Yehya> bye
14:34:16 <vivienne> bye
14:34:18 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:34:20 <vivienne> vivienne has left #rd
14:34:23 <Zakim> -giorgio
14:34:24 <Zakim> -Shawn
14:34:24 <Zakim> -sharper
14:34:26 <Zakim> -vivienne
14:34:26 <Zakim> -Yehya
14:34:26 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
14:34:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Shawn, Yehya, Shadi, christos, giorgio, Joshue, sharper, vivienne
14:49:32 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:49:32 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:49:32 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:49:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:49:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:49:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:49:41 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-actions.rdf :
14:49:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sharper to look at the 'Status of this document' wording http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120427.html [1]
14:49:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rd-irc#T14-03-57