IRC log of gld on 2012-04-26

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/04/26-gld-irc

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13:59:36 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

13:59:36 [Zakim]

sorry, bhyland, I don't know what conference this is

13:59:37 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, gatemezi, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, cygri, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

13:59:54 [sandro]

trackbot, start meeting

13:59:56 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs world

13:59:58 [sandro]

RRSAgent, this is gld

13:59:58 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'this is gld', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help

13:59:58 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be GLD

13:59:59 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

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Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

14:00:00 [trackbot]

Date: 26 April 2012

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14:00:06 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:00:06 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aaaa, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen

14:00:06 [sandro]

Zakim, who is on the call?

14:00:06 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aaaa, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen

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14:00:20 [Zakim]

+??P6

14:00:26 [BenediktKaempgen]

zakim, who's here?

14:00:26 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aaaa, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, ??P6

14:00:28 [martinAlvarez]

zakim, p6 is me

14:00:31 [Zakim]

On IRC I see BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, cygri, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

14:00:32 [gatemezi]

Scribe: Ghislain

14:00:37 [Zakim]

sorry, martinAlvarez, I do not recognize a party named 'p6'

14:00:40 [gatemezi]

Chair: Bernadette

14:00:49 [martinAlvarez]

zakim, ??p6 is me

14:00:53 [Zakim]

+Sandro

14:00:54 [bhyland]

zakim, aaaa is gatemezi

14:00:56 [Zakim]

+martinAlvarez; got it

14:01:01 [martinAlvarez]

zakim, mute me

14:01:02 [Zakim]

+gatemezi; got it

14:01:09 [Zakim]

martinAlvarez should now be muted

14:01:11 [gatemezi]

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120426

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14:01:23 [gatemezi]

Zakim, who's here?

14:01:30 [Zakim]

On the phone I see gatemezi, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez (muted), Sandro

14:01:44 [Zakim]

On IRC I see olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, cygri, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

14:01:56 [Zakim]

+??P17

14:02:03 [gatemezi]

rrsagent, make records public

14:02:07 [boris]

zakim, ??P17 is me

14:02:07 [Zakim]

+boris; got it

14:02:14 [Zakim]

+??P19

14:02:25 [BartvanLeeuwen]

zakim, ??p19 is me

14:02:25 [Zakim]

+BartvanLeeuwen; got it

14:02:28 [Zakim]

+ +1.518.276.aabb

14:02:36 [olyerickson]

zakim, I am aabb

14:02:36 [Zakim]

+olyerickson; got it

14:02:57 [olyerickson]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:02 [Zakim]

On the phone I see gatemezi, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez (muted), Sandro, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, olyerickson

14:03:12 [Zakim]

+ +1.440.389.aacc

14:03:18 [olyerickson]

zakim, mute me.

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olyerickson should now be muted

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14:03:28 [bhyland]

Regrets: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Tina_Gheen, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Yigal_Arens, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/index.php?title=Michael_Pendleton&action=edit&redlink=1, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Michael_Hausenblas, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Luis_Bermudez

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14:03:53 [sandro]

sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120426

14:05:10 [Zakim]

+GeraldSteeman

14:06:05 [sandro]

sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120426

14:06:19 [gatemezi]

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120426

14:06:54 [gatemezi]

Topic: Minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-04-19

14:07:20 [martinAlvarez]

+1

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+º

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+1

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+1 minutes

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+1

14:07:55 [gatemezi]

Approved last minutes

14:08:20 [bhyland]

10-May-2012 telecon is cancelled

14:08:20 [bhyland]

06-June-2012 telecon is cancelled

14:09:04 [PhilA2]

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14:09:05 [gatemezi]

bhyland: Someone wants to add something in today agenda?

14:10:10 [gatemezi]

Topic: Procurement

14:10:20 [Zakim]

+ +91.80.67.84.aadd

14:11:13 [HadleyBeeman]

q+

14:11:14 [gatemezi]

bhyland: In USA, it is a big deal with procurement, specially with researchers ...

14:11:32 [bhyland]

zakim, aadd is Biplav

14:11:32 [Zakim]

+Biplav; got it

14:12:41 [gatemezi]

???: In NASA they do basic operation, they do have contract, but don't have flexibility

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s/???/Joe

14:15:10 [gatemezi]

bhyland: Who's the target audience of our ComDir? Need broader discussion on the target audience...

14:15:32 [olyerickson]

zakim, unmute me.

14:15:32 [Zakim]

olyerickson should no longer be muted

14:15:36 [bhyland]

q?

14:15:41 [bhyland]

ack HadleyBeeman

14:16:29 [sandro]

q+

14:17:46 [gatemezi]

HadleyBeeman: gives some highlighgts in the UK context....

14:18:47 [HadleyBeeman]

Having that "w3c thing to point to" would certainly help expand the market of contractors who can help with linked data.

14:19:27 [bhyland]

q?

14:19:31 [bhyland]

ack sandro

14:19:34 [sandro]

q-

14:19:53 [sandro]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:19:53 [Zakim]

On the phone I see gatemezi, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez (muted), Sandro, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, olyerickson, +1.440.389.aacc, GeraldSteeman, Biplav

14:20:02 [HadleyBeeman]

zakim, aacc is me

14:20:02 [Zakim]

+HadleyBeeman; got it

14:20:43 [olyerickson]

+1 to "standard deck" idea...

14:21:15 [Biplav]

q+

14:21:44 [olyerickson]

** there are 100's (now) slideshows on "Linked Data" but very few that will be useful for the target audience we're speaking of

14:22:15 [gatemezi]

bhyland: Vocabs, BP, etc...begin to have interests.. It could be great to have a book for developers (LD)

14:22:58 [olyerickson]

"Gov't Linked Data for Dummies" (or Managers...same thing)

14:23:13 [olyerickson]

LOL

14:23:16 [olyerickson]

I'm qualifie

14:23:20 [bhyland]

q?

14:24:22 [bhyland]

Biplav: In Western countries "Open Gov't Data is seen as a way of energizing the economy…" Another benefit that other other parts of the world are looking at are accountability and dealing with corruption.

14:24:58 [bhyland]

… Thinking about securing economic growth is a very important concept for countries like India and China, Biplav imagines.

14:25:32 [bhyland]

… Hurdle is not about technology, rather, about policy. There aren't many resources / guidance for what to open up...

14:25:33 [gatemezi]

Biplav: we could deal also the policy issue..e.g: India

14:26:29 [gatemezi]

Biplav: The national policy should be the first in place...but it is not yet present...

14:26:39 [bhyland]

… Policy should be the first thing, then technology and best practices would definitely help. It turns out that procurement is one of the most common and not surprisingly, most prone to corruption.

14:28:56 [HadleyBeeman]

+1 to providing examples with their own data

14:29:52 [bhyland]

… Corruption is very well documented, all the way to the UN level. Streamlined procurement and addressing corruption.

14:30:04 [bhyland]

q?

14:30:08 [bhyland]

ack Biplav

14:30:55 [bhyland]

eGov IG is a good place to speak about policy … Jeanne Holm and Tomaz the new co-chair … good place to participate.

14:31:55 [gatemezi]

eGov IG URL: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page

14:32:23 [bhyland]

W3C sites (using WP) launched in 2011 has:

14:32:23 [bhyland]

1) http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/

14:32:23 [bhyland]

14:32:23 [bhyland]

2) http://www.w3.org/standards/semanticweb/data

14:32:24 [bhyland]

W3C catalyst in the catalyst of communities

14:32:28 [bhyland]

3) W3C Community and Business Groups, see http://www.w3.org/community/

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http://www.w3.org/community/about/

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14:33:22 [Zakim]

-olyerickson

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+??P14

14:33:54 [PhilA2]

zakim, ??P14 is me

14:33:54 [Zakim]

+PhilA2; got it

14:34:08 [gatemezi]

Topic: W3C sites launched:

14:34:12 [Zakim]

+olyerickson

14:34:45 [bhyland]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Rhizomer

14:36:43 [bhyland]

Sandro: Overall structure of W3C includes Working Groups (heavy commitment) .. on the other end of the spectrum, are lighter commitment groups, "Community Group"

14:38:10 [gatemezi]

sandro: gives the difference between "Incubator gorups", "community group" and "working group"

14:38:20 [bhyland]

Sandro: There are about 80 Community Groups. It has replaced the incubator group that lead to the Provenance Group, for example. The Community Groups do not have W3C professional staff associated with them.

14:39:32 [BartvanLeeuwen]

q+

14:39:33 [sandro]

http://www.w3.org/community/about/#bg

14:39:35 [bhyland]

Sandro: W3C Business Groups are heavier weight, there is a cost associated with them. There is professional support associated with them.

14:39:45 [bhyland]

They don't produce standards.

14:39:52 [bhyland]

Patent policy is different.

14:40:00 [gatemezi]

sandro: "Business Group" is cheaper than W3C...They don't make standards..

14:40:09 [bhyland]

Some businesses won't join a group unless the patent policy is "just right".

14:40:47 [sandro]

http://www.w3.org/community/groups/

14:41:17 [bhyland]

PhilA: The reason for the business group is to provide social engineering with a vertical focus.

14:42:41 [bhyland]

They don't have a strong link with W3C .. a way for W3C to become more visible and relevant.

14:44:16 [gatemezi]

Topic: ComDir

14:44:29 [bhyland]

Topic: Adding companies, products to the W3C Semantic Media Wiki site: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/

14:46:25 [bhyland]

Sandro: Has a lot of data but some people consider it a restrictive to enter.

14:46:28 [bhyland]

Under http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Main_Page

14:46:37 [BenediktKaempgen]

Maybe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Special:Categories

14:47:50 [olyerickson]

q+

14:47:51 [gatemezi]

bhyland: how do we make the ComDir better? We can use the sw wiki and connect to our work

14:48:53 [bhyland]

There is a listing of tools on the W3C semantic web wiki page: see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Tool

14:49:42 [bhyland]

Topic: New Startup Member W3C category.

14:49:52 [BenediktKaempgen]

q+

14:50:08 [BartvanLeeuwen]

ack me

14:50:20 [bhyland]

ack olyerickson

14:50:26 [HadleyBeeman]

http://www.w3.org/Consortium/fees-201202

14:50:36 [bhyland]

Topic: Community Directory (return to)

14:50:53 [bhyland]

Goal is to make the Community Directory more usable.

14:51:11 [bhyland]

and friendly, usable to more stakeholders.

14:52:58 [PhilA2]

Fees for Dutch companies. I was wrong, Sandro was right, it's ¤2K for start ups http://www.w3.org/Consortium/fees?country=Netherlands&quarter=04-01&year=2012#results

14:52:58 [bhyland]

Olyerickson: There are things that may or may not be done with the bit 3 search engines.

14:53:15 [sandro]

BartvanLeeuwen, see http://www.w3.org/Consortium/fees-201202#startup and http://www.w3.org/Consortium/fees?country=Netherlands&quarter=04-01&year=2012#results It's EUR 1950.

14:53:46 [bhyland]

Olyerickson: What can we do to surface the data using RDFa, microformats, schema.org

14:54:07 [sandro]

q?

14:54:14 [bhyland]

+1

14:54:26 [sandro]

q+ usability

14:54:29 [BartvanLeeuwen]

+1

14:54:47 [sandro]

q- usability

14:54:54 [sandro]

q+ to say usability is king

14:55:51 [gatemezi]

Zakim, who's is here?

14:55:51 [Zakim]

sorry, gatemezi, I do not understand your question

14:56:00 [bhyland]

olyerickson: We need to make the CD found by everyone interested in best practices, vocabs and anything else we produce to serve this community.

14:56:05 [gatemezi]

Zakim, who's here?

14:56:05 [Zakim]

On the phone I see gatemezi, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez (muted), Sandro, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, GeraldSteeman, Biplav, PhilA2, olyerickson

14:56:09 [Zakim]

On IRC I see PhilA2, Biplav, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, cygri, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

14:56:27 [sandro]

+10000

14:56:57 [sandro]

+1 sw/wiki is not a very use friendly site

14:57:08 [gatemezi]

BenediktKaempgen: sw tool is not a useful and friendly tool

14:57:42 [bhyland]

q?

14:57:46 [bhyland]

q+

14:57:57 [bhyland]

ack BenediktKaempgen

14:58:03 [bhyland]

ack sandro

14:58:03 [Zakim]

sandro, you wanted to say usability is king

14:58:36 [HadleyBeeman]

+1 to Sandro: usability is more important than semantic analysis (where we have to choose)

14:58:42 [gatemezi]

Sandro: The key thing with ComDir is usability...not really the technology behind

14:58:46 [bhyland]

Sandro: I don't think any sem web technologies are relevant per se, rather the content & usability is key. Focus must be on usability.

14:59:04 [bhyland]

The most usable site is one that has data that can be exported.

14:59:09 [HadleyBeeman]

+1 to Sandro:  usability is more important than semantic analysis (where we have to choose) — for this situation (the community directory)

14:59:45 [gatemezi]

olyerickson: ComDir could be also focused on the users...

14:59:52 [gatemezi]

+1 to Sandro point...

15:00:12 [gatemezi]

Zakim, who's here?

15:00:12 [Zakim]

On the phone I see gatemezi, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez (muted), Sandro, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, GeraldSteeman, Biplav, PhilA2, olyerickson

15:00:15 [Zakim]

On IRC I see PhilA2, Biplav, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, martinAlvarez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, cygri, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

15:00:31 [sandro]

sandro: ... but we do need to make sure the data is always available for export, so people can make other interfaces to it.

15:00:38 [bhyland]

q?

15:00:43 [bhyland]

ack bhyland

15:00:47 [BenediktKaempgen]

+1 for focusing on the content and nost on the usabilit mostly

15:01:43 [gatemezi]

bhyland: It has been a useful discussion... Need volunteers for ComDir

15:01:55 [gatemezi]

Topic: Announcement

15:02:33 [bhyland]

Open Gov't Transparency Conference in DC run by Sunlight Foundation

15:02:49 [Zakim]

-GeraldSteeman

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-olyerickson

15:03:01 [BartvanLeeuwen]

thx bye

15:03:02 [Zakim]

-PhilA2

15:03:03 [BenediktKaempgen]

Thanks!

15:03:03 [Zakim]

-Biplav

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-martinAlvarez

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-BenediktKaempgen

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-BartvanLeeuwen

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-HadleyBeeman

15:04:14 [gatemezi]

RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

15:04:34 [gatemezi]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:04:34 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/26-gld-minutes.html gatemezi

15:04:58 [Zakim]

-boris

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15:08:38 [sandro]

http://hginit.com/02.html

15:09:01 [sandro]

"Ahhh!! Failure! By the way… that message you see there? The one that says use push -f to force? That’s terrible advice. Never, ever, EVER use push -f to force. You will regret it. Trust me for now."

15:12:38 [Zakim]

-bhyland

15:12:40 [Zakim]

-Sandro

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15:13:08 [bhyland1]

OK, will do

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15:35:00 [Zakim]

disconnecting the lone participant, gatemezi, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

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T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were bhyland, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, BenediktKaempgen, Sandro, martinAlvarez, gatemezi, boris, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.518.276.aabb, olyerickson, +1.440.389.aacc, GeraldSteeman,

15:35:02 [Zakim]

... +91.80.67.84.aadd, Biplav, HadleyBeeman, PhilA2

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