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15:01:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
15:01:30 <trackbot> Date: 25 April 2012
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15:03:17 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0057
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15:04:15 <Steven> zakim, I am ??P13
15:04:15 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
15:04:44 <Steven> Regrets: Nick, John
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15:09:33 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
15:10:00 <Steven> * replace="text" media types
15:10:02 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0045.html
15:10:17 <Steven> Steven: No quorum, but let's discuss stuff.
15:11:38 <Steven> Steven: I don't remember the use case for replace="text" with XML types
15:12:10 <Steven> ... but maybe it's just as convincing for other non-text types (that are based on text representations)
15:12:32 <Steven_> scribenick: Steven_
15:13:36 <Steven_> Erik: it depends whether the contenttype is orthogonal tothe method to receive it
15:14:07 <Steven_> ... you can leave the author in control
15:15:40 <Steven> Steven: Maybe the use case was to support SOAP
15:18:52 <Steven_> Alain: I think it's OK
15:19:40 <Steven_> Erik: It would make sense to store other types as text
15:19:53 <Steven_> Steven: We don't have quorum, so no resolution as such
15:21:05 <Steven> Topic: * Submission encoding
15:21:07 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0047.html
15:22:01 <Steven> Steven: I think we need to say at least which encodings MUST be accepted
15:22:18 <Steven> and say that others are implementation dependent\
15:22:38 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-xquery-serialization/#XML_ENCODING
15:23:04 <Steven> Steven: Is that what XPath references?
15:23:38 <Steven> Steven: Oh, that is where get @encoding from
15:23:49 <Steven> Erik: UTF8 and 16 are required, and nothing else
15:24:35 <Steven> Steven: THat is just XML right?
15:25:06 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-xquery-serialization/#TEXT_ENCODING
15:25:11 <Steven> Erik: HTML output says the same
15:25:19 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-xquery-serialization/#HTML_ENCODING
15:25:49 <Steven> Steven: DO we signal an error?
15:25:51 <Steven> I suppose we ought to
15:26:00 <Steven_> Erik: It would make sense
15:26:26 <Steven_> ... xforms-submit -error probably
15:26:43 <Steven_> ... use the text from the xslt-serialization
15:26:47 <Steven_> Steven: Good idea
15:27:18 <alain> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-XMLHttpRequest-20090820/#the-setrequestheader-method
15:27:42 <alain> http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/
15:29:14 <Steven_> Alain: That spec doesn't allow you to set the encoding
15:29:47 <Steven_> "Terminate these steps if header is a case-insensitive match for one of the following headers:
15:29:47 <Steven_> Accept-Charset
15:29:47 <Steven_> Accept-Encoding"
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15:31:42 <Steven_> Erik: It seems like the encoding is a property of a document
15:32:05 <Steven_> ... I don't know why
15:32:32 <Steven_> ... you specify an encoding when creating a document
15:32:53 <Steven_> ... the default is UTF-8
15:33:21 <Steven_> ... I don't think we need to be influenced by this
15:33:38 <pfennell> I've just joined on mute. Sorry I'm late.
15:34:08 <Steven> Steven: Well, that doesn't contradict what we say
15:34:27 <Steven> Erik: I think we're good.
15:34:52 <Steven> Sounds good
15:35:54 <Steven> Topic: Binding to text nodes
15:35:56 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0053.html
15:36:03 <Steven> Steven: Are you happy with John's reply
15:36:10 <Steven> Erik: I wouldn't say happy :-)
15:36:18 <Steven> ... I think the spec is not clear enough
15:36:39 <Steven> ... it seems we allow it; I don't mind that
15:36:54 <Steven> ... the spec is not explicit enough
15:37:31 <Steven> Steven: COuld I ask you to fix it?
15:37:33 <Steven> Erik: A note would be good; I can write it, sure
15:37:47 <Steven> ACTION: erik to write spec note clarifying bind to text nodes
15:37:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1898 - Write spec note clarifying bind to text nodes [on Erik Bruchez - due 2012-05-02].
15:38:20 <Steven> Topic: Added xforms 2.0 schema files to xformsusers mercurial repository
15:38:22 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0044.html
15:39:06 <Steven> Steven: Just an announcement
15:39:33 <Steven> Topic: Next two meetings
15:40:19 <Steven> Steven: Regrets; who will take over?
15:40:32 <Steven> Philip: I will have a go, with Nick.
15:41:21 <Steven> Topic: FPWD
15:41:25 <Steven> Erik: Are we close
15:41:30 <Steven> Steven: Yes
15:42:55 <Steven> Erik: We shouldn't wait too long
15:43:24 <Steven> Steven: I agree; the last I remember is that Nick was asking the author of our production system for a detail in order to produce the HTML version.
15:43:45 <Steven> (we'll have to ask Nick offline).
15:44:01 <alain> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2012Apr/0002.html
15:44:30 <alain> http://www.oyranos.org/future/
15:44:43 <Steven> Topic: Forms comparisons mail
15:45:01 <Steven> Steven: Isn't webforms 2 the same as HTML5?
15:45:14 <Steven> Erik: THey merged, but some features of WF didn't make it into HTML5
15:45:31 <ebruchez> http://blog.orbeon.com/2012/02/does-xforms-need-to-be-implemented.html
15:46:19 <ebruchez> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/orbeon-forms-faq/faq-xforms#TOC-How-does-Web-Forms-2.0-compare-with-XForms-Does-Orbeon-plan-to-implement-it-
15:46:51 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2012Apr/0002.html
15:46:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1899 - Reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2012Apr/0002.html [on Steven Pemberton - due 2012-05-02].
15:47:43 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:47:50 <Steven> Alain: I have joined exslt CG
15:48:03 <Steven> s/exslt/EXPath/
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15:48:33 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-forms-minutes.html Steven
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15:48:36 <Zakim> IA_XForms()11:00AM has ended
15:48:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, alain, ebruchez, pfennell
15:48:42 <Steven> RRSAGENT< make minutes
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15:49:02 <Steven> Chair: Steven
15:50:01 <Steven> i/Steven: I think we need to say at least which encodings MUST be accepted/scribenick: Steven
15:50:13 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:50:51 <Steven_> i/Erik: It would make sense/scribenick: Steven
15:50:53 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:51:10 <Steven_> i/Erik: It would make sense/scribenick: Steven_
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15:51:50 <Steven_> i/ Steven: Well, that doesn't contradict what we say/scribenick: Steven
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15:52:56 <Steven_> s/* Submission encoding/Submission encoding
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15:53:20 <Steven_> s/DO we/Do we/
15:54:00 <Steven> s/COuld/Could
16:22:55 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutesxz
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