16:59:00 RRSAgent has joined #text 16:59:00 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/04/24-text-irc 16:59:11 zakim, room for 10? 16:59:13 ok, Judy; conference Team_(text)16:59Z scheduled with code 2119 (A11Y) for 60 minutes until 1759Z 16:59:19 Team_(text)16:59Z has now started 16:59:21 chair: Judy 16:59:25 +??P0 16:59:37 zakim, ??P0 is Janina 16:59:37 +Janina; got it 16:59:41 agenda+ update on coordination and check of deadlines for this week 16:59:41 agenda+ discussion on HTML WG Changes and Draft Stabilization Plan as they relate to the work of this Text Alternatives SubTeam of the HTML Accessibility TF 16:59:41 agenda+ alt bugs: update on CP for HTML5 in-spec alt guidance bugs 16:59:41 agenda+ buggy alts: update on checking alt texts in HTML5 spec itself 16:59:41 agenda+ issue 204 (ARIA hidden) update on 204 change proposal mergers 16:59:43 agenda+ issue 31c: (Meta generator) draft updated change proposal for discussion 16:59:46 agenda+ issue 203: (Media descriptions) update on change proposal 16:59:47 agenda+ issue 194: (Video transcripts) discussing next steps since review 16:59:49 agenda+ confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn 17:00:04 +David_MacDonald 17:00:24 +John_Foliot 17:02:00 +Judy 17:02:30 David has joined #text 17:04:37 JF has joined #text 17:06:45 hello? 17:07:04 scribe: David 17:07:53 http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc 17:08:17 zakim, take up next 17:08:17 agendum 1. "update on coordination and check of deadlines for this week" taken up [from Judy] 17:08:48 J_F has joined #text 17:12:25 jf: will get in something for friday on the 203 ... 17:13:12 jf: wondering if should wait til second last call 17:13:40 jb: if we have priority collision then maybe 17:14:13 199: (aria-processing) pursuing this week, and into the h5 f2f if needed 17:16:45 janina: 194 is about associating text transcript with video 17:17:00 zakim, takup up next 17:17:00 I don't understand 'takup up next', David 17:17:15 zakim, take up next 17:17:15 agendum 2. "discussion on HTML WG Changes and Draft Stabilization Plan as they relate to the work of this Text Alternatives SubTeam of the HTML Accessibility TF" taken up [from 17:17:19 ... Judy] 17:21:34 zakim, take up next 17:21:34 agendum 3. "alt bugs: update on CP for HTML5 in-spec alt guidance bugs" taken up [from Judy] 17:22:49 scribe: janina 17:23:08 dm: Have reviewed SF's alt doc, and HTML spec re alt 17:24:13 dm: Have some examples of bad alt guidance in spec 17:25:00 dm: Think WCAG should look at SF's doc 17:25:28 dm: Mainly, I took some notes while doing my 'buggy alt' action 17:26:32 scribe: David 17:29:11 judy: Can someone help with this? 17:29:12 dm: Yes 17:29:22 David and Janina to review alt guidance inHTML 5 spec 17:29:23 judy: So, js and dm will coordinate Friday on this 17:29:27 zakim, take up next 17:29:27 agendum 4. "buggy alts: update on checking alt texts in HTML5 spec itself" taken up [from Judy] 17:29:56 dm: Have emailed a doc with review, i think it's finished 17:30:11 scribe: JF 17:30:24 David forwarded the rsults of his review 17:31:11 exec summary is 9 images in spec have no alt text, but should have some 17:31:32 suspects taht they were used to embelish content on the same page - contrary to WCAG 2 17:31:57 one image has alt text of 108 words 17:32:26 2 major issues, then there are some other alt texts that are questionable - wouldn't fail but could review 17:32:50 David's report has screen caps and associted alt text if anyone wishes to review 17:33:45 Daivd: there seems to be a philosophical divide, as the null alt appears to be intentional rather than a mistake 17:34:23 JB: suspect that next step is that this is preliminary, but needs to be written up so that it could be presented as a batch or as individual 'things' to address 17:34:31 JB: timing is less than ideal 17:34:45 would be nice if we could get these done as editorial clarrifications 17:35:38 JB: they likely need to be written up as impartially as possible: note image, problem, proposed alt text, thank-you 17:35:55 +Q 17:36:11 JB: how hard would it be to convert from what we have to what we need? 17:36:34 ack jf 17:41:10 David to set up a wiki page to work on this 17:42:00 David: will need assistance will inserting images 17:42:08 zakim, take up next 17:42:08 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy 17:42:15 JF to assist David if/when required 17:42:17 ack jf 17:42:29 ack j_f 17:42:31 ack J_F 17:42:41 zakim, take up next 17:42:41 agendum 5. "issue 204 (ARIA hidden) update on 204 change proposal mergers" taken up [from Judy] 17:43:00 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Apr/0162.html 17:44:21 scribe: David 17:45:06 laura has joined #text 17:45:51 +Laura_Carlson 17:47:50 jb: will touch base with Benjamin to close 204 17:48:16 jb: Cynthia about to wrap with Laura 17:48:42 Laura: this should address Benjamin's concerns also 17:51:50 jb: we'll tell chairs after the call that we are wrapping 204 17:53:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Apr/0173.html 17:55:58 bye 17:56:18 zakim, take up next 17:56:18 agendum 6. "issue 31c: (Meta generator) draft updated change proposal for discussion" taken up [from Judy] 17:56:21 -Laura_Carlson 17:57:50 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Text_Alternatives/Meta_Generator_Decision_Comments 18:01:13 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Text_Alternatives/Meta_Generator_Decision_Comments#Structure_of_the_.3Cimg.3E_Element 18:01:45 jb: looking for input on this CP 18:03:12 janina: prefer discussion of USER centred discussion rather than conformance. .. 18:03:36 +Q 18:05:17 jf: first time seeing.... i need to read this in detail, how do I provide feedback 18:06:53 jb: this should not be out of the blue, Steve Faulkner asked to re-open... we'll take up questions he didn't have answered. .. should have something to review on Thursday 18:07:20 jf: that is fine 18:07:44 -John_Foliot 18:07:45 jb: let us know if you want us to review 18:09:28 zakim, take up next 18:09:28 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, David 18:09:42 ack j_f 18:10:01 zakim, take up next 18:10:01 agendum 7. "issue 203: (Media descriptions) update on change proposal" taken up [from Judy] 18:10:29 Judy: John is writing this this week, hopes to have draft by Thursday. 18:10:41 zakim, take up next 18:10:41 agendum 7 was just opened, David 18:10:51 zakim, close item 7 18:10:51 agendum 7, issue 203: (Media descriptions) update on change proposal, closed 18:10:53 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:10:53 8. issue 194: (Video transcripts) discussing next steps since review [from Judy] 18:11:02 zakim, take up next 18:11:02 agendum 8. "issue 194: (Video transcripts) discussing next steps since review" taken up [from Judy] 18:12:50 janina: mike smith will be looking at 194 this Thursday 18:12:58 zakim, take up next 18:12:58 agendum 9. "confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn" taken up [from Judy] 18:13:55 zakim, bye 18:13:55 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Janina, David_MacDonald, John_Foliot, Judy, Laura_Carlson 18:13:55 Zakim has left #text 18:14:05 s/looking for input/will be looking for input/ 18:15:25 rrsagent, make log public 18:15:43 rrsagent, make minutes 18:15:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/24-text-minutes.html David