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13:49:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:49:15 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:49:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
13:49:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:49:16 <trackbot> Date: 18 April 2012
13:49:33 <Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref 
13:50:50 <milan> milan has joined #dap
13:51:30 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:51:37 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
13:52:08 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
13:52:08 <Zakim> sorry, Josh_Soref, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
13:55:30 <dtran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
13:55:54 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:55:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/18-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
13:56:20 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:56:43 <Josh_Soref> Chair: Robin_Berjon
13:57:31 <Josh_Soref> Regrets: Frederick_Hirsch
13:57:45 <dsr> dsr has joined #dap
13:57:49 <Josh_Soref> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Apr/0038.html
13:57:53 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:57:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/18-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
13:58:28 <Zakim> + +25686aaaa
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13:58:41 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +258?
13:58:41 <Zakim> country code 258 is Mozambique
13:58:45 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +256?
13:58:45 <Zakim> country code 256 is Uganda
13:58:54 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +25686?
13:58:54 <Zakim> country code 256 is Uganda
13:59:31 <Jungkee> Jungkee has joined #dap
13:59:40 <Jungkee> Present+ Jungkee_Song
13:59:41 <Cathy> Cathy has joined #dap
14:00:04 <AnssiK> AnssiK has joined #dap
14:00:37 <Zakim> +??P8
14:00:45 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P8 is me
14:00:45 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
14:00:51 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:00:53 <milan> Present+Milan_Patel
14:00:54 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:00:55 <Zakim> +[Vodaphone]
14:01:06 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:01:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/18-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:01:10 <Zakim> +??P8
14:01:14 <darobin> Zakim, let me in!
14:01:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'let me in!', darobin
14:01:17 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P8 is me
14:01:17 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
14:01:20 <dcheng3> Present+ Diana_Cheng
14:01:29 <Zakim> +Dsr
14:01:43 <Zakim> +??P13
14:01:49 <dsr> Present+ Dsr
14:01:53 <Cathy> zakim, ??P13 is me
14:01:53 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:02:04 <Zakim> +??P14
14:02:08 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.00.aabb
14:02:20 <Claes> Claes has joined #dap
14:02:36 <Claes> Present+ Claes
14:02:42 <Jungkee> Zakim, ??p14 is Jungkee
14:02:42 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:02:42 <milan> zakim, 8828 is my handle
14:02:43 <Zakim> I don't understand '8828 is my handle', milan
14:02:48 <Zakim> + +33.1.43.14.aacc
14:02:53 <dcheng3> zakim, [Vodaphone] is dcheng3
14:02:53 <Zakim> +dcheng3; got it
14:02:55 <darobin> Zakim, aacc is me
14:02:55 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:02:57 <Zakim> +dtran
14:03:16 <darobin> Chair: Robin
14:03:18 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aaaa is milan 
14:03:18 <Zakim> +milan; got it
14:03:19 <darobin> Regrets: Frederick
14:03:32 <Josh_Soref> s/Regrets: Frederick//
14:03:55 <Clarke> Clarke has joined #dap
14:04:12 <milan> I don't know why it shows a +256 number, may be because I use a VoIP number?
14:04:15 <Claes> Zakim, aabb is Claes
14:04:15 <Zakim> +Claes; got it
14:04:30 <Josh_Soref> s/I don't know why it shows a +256 number, may be because I use a VoIP number?//
14:04:38 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:04:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref, milan, dcheng3, AnssiK, Dsr, Cathy, Jungkee, Claes, darobin, dtran (muted)
14:04:51 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:04:51 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:05:06 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
14:05:06 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
14:05:23 <darobin> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
14:05:24 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:05:24 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:05:31 <Zakim> +??P17
14:05:37 <Zakim> -Cathy
14:05:38 <Clarke> zakim, ??P17 is me
14:05:39 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
14:05:49 <darobin> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/dap-20120413/ 
14:05:54 <Josh_Soref> darobin: Is there anything in the agenda that people want to talk about?
14:05:58 <Josh_Soref> [ Nothing ]
14:06:03 <Zakim> +Cathy
14:06:08 <Josh_Soref> darobin: this poll is for organizing the F2F
14:06:14 <Josh_Soref> ... it would be good to move forward
14:06:20 <Josh_Soref> ... please fill out the form promptly
14:06:25 <Josh_Soref> ... i believe it closes next week
14:06:37 <Josh_Soref> ... based on that, we should be able to pick a location
14:06:42 <Josh_Soref> ... 21 people have filled it out
14:06:48 <Josh_Soref> ... we're still missing ~88 people
14:06:53 <Josh_Soref> ... of course not everyone is active
14:06:55 <Wonsuk> Wonsuk has joined #dap
14:07:02 <Josh_Soref> ... i suspect we'll have more than 20 people present
14:07:04 <darobin> Topic: Minutes approval
14:07:05 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref
14:07:11 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/957F1ECDA90E004B8DBDE23CFC94E3A33A4470D2@XMB103ECNC.rim.net
14:07:11 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.15.aadd
14:07:23 <Wonsuk> Present+ Wonsuk_Lee
14:07:52 <darobin> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 11 April 2012 approved
14:08:00 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/957F1ECDA90E004B8DBDE23CFC94E3A33A445F60@XMB103ECNC.rim.net
14:08:24 <darobin> RESOLUTION: Minutes from Shezhen face to face meeting approved
14:08:35 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
14:09:01 <Josh_Soref> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Apr/0039.html
14:09:11 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: that's the final version
14:09:17 <darobin> Topic: Bluetooth Use cases
14:09:21 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/002a01cd1baa$21c34cd0$6549e670$%25song@samsung.com
14:09:31 <Jungkee> q+
14:09:40 <darobin> ack Jungkee 
14:09:42 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:09:42 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:09:53 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: I posted several use cases
14:09:59 <Josh_Soref> ... if anyone has comments on the UCs
14:10:07 <Josh_Soref> ... and how we would build APIs on that
14:10:12 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute dcheng3
14:10:12 <Zakim> dcheng3 should now be muted
14:10:25 <Josh_Soref> ... the UCs we built is
14:10:41 <Josh_Soref> ... it is present in terms of the hardware and chips
14:10:45 <Josh_Soref> ... i can try to simplify
14:10:52 <dsr> q+ to suggest putting the use cases on the wiki
14:11:00 <darobin> ack dsr 
14:11:00 <Zakim> dsr, you wanted to suggest putting the use cases on the wiki
14:11:13 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: sure I can
14:11:17 <dtran> q+
14:11:19 <Josh_Soref> ... can I make the wiki page myself
14:11:25 <Josh_Soref> ... or do i need to make a request to staff
14:11:47 <Josh_Soref> dsr: we already have the wiki
14:11:55 <Josh_Soref> ... you just have to pick a name properly
14:11:59 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll look into that and mail you
14:12:05 <Josh_Soref> darobin: normally with your W3C accounts
14:12:12 <Josh_Soref> ... you should be able to edit the wiki normally
14:12:14 <dsr> I will create a link and start page and email a pointer
14:12:17 <Josh_Soref> dtran: i have an account
14:12:19 <darobin> ack dtran 
14:12:34 <Josh_Soref> s/dtran/Jungkee/
14:12:44 <Josh_Soref> dtran: I was looking at the UC
14:12:50 <Josh_Soref> ... I was thinking about WebRTC
14:13:00 <Josh_Soref> ... especially the Peer to Peer / Streaming aspect
14:13:07 <Josh_Soref> ... perhaps we should take a closer look
14:13:20 <Josh_Soref> ... to see if we could collaborate with the WebRTC WG or do something similar
14:13:39 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: if we could put input in the wiki, then we could discuss further
14:13:48 <Josh_Soref> darobin: in terms of collaborating with WebRTC
14:13:53 <Josh_Soref> ... I think there's some similarity
14:14:11 <Josh_Soref> ... but I think Peer to Peer over Bluetooth and and Peer to Peer over the internet
14:14:22 <Josh_Soref> ... I would expect the underlying implementation to be rather different
14:14:30 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: I expect the implementations to be different
14:14:37 <Josh_Soref> ... but I expect the API patterns to be similar
14:14:45 <Josh_Soref> darobin: Ok, I think we can have a week of discussion
14:14:55 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I'd like to remind people that this is not currently in the charter
14:15:00 <Josh_Soref> ... we can't start a spec
14:15:08 <Josh_Soref> ... but discussing UCs is good
14:15:12 <Josh_Soref> ... so thanks alot
14:15:16 <Josh_Soref> ... this is a good start
14:15:20 <darobin> ACTION-530?
14:15:20 <trackbot> ACTION-530 -- Jungkee Song to gather use cases for bluetooth -- due 2012-03-29 -- OPEN
14:15:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/530
14:15:24 <Josh_Soref> ... does anyone have further comments on the UCs?
14:15:25 <darobin> close ACTION-530
14:15:25 <trackbot> ACTION-530 Gather use cases for bluetooth closed
14:15:31 <Josh_Soref> ... hearing none, I believe we can close the action
14:15:35 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:15:38 <darobin> Topic: Progress on CR for Battery, Vibration
14:15:46 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jungkee (44%), darobin (86%)
14:15:51 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute Jungkee 
14:15:51 <Zakim> Jungkee should now be muted
14:16:09 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I think we should have a director's call reasonably soon about this
14:16:16 <Josh_Soref> ... dsr, I don't know if you've had a chance to look at this
14:16:29 <Josh_Soref> dsr: I haven't set up the call, if you want to look to see which slot you want
14:16:31 <Josh_Soref> ... you could do that
14:16:41 <Josh_Soref> ... we also have to proceed with the official transition request
14:16:50 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I'll take an action to do the official transition request
14:17:00 <Josh_Soref> ... it looks like you can take the first available slot
14:17:06 <Josh_Soref> dsr: there was some discussion on battery
14:17:06 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to make the official TranReq for Battery, Vibration CR
14:17:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-534 - Make the official TranReq for Battery, Vibration CR [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-04-25].
14:17:10 <Josh_Soref> ... i'm not sure where we were with that
14:17:17 <Josh_Soref> ... I think that marcos was happy
14:17:26 <Josh_Soref> darobin: i think marcos was happy, he was just raising some red flags
14:17:34 <Josh_Soref> dsr: i'm just concerned about how we document that
14:17:40 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:17:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see milan, dcheng3 (muted), AnssiK, Dsr, Jungkee (muted), Claes, darobin, dtran (muted), Clarke, Cathy, +46.1.07.15.aadd, Josh_Soref (muted)
14:18:00 <Josh_Soref> dsr: for the transition, we need details of any LC discussion
14:18:04 <Josh_Soref> ... and make sure they're noted
14:18:11 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +46?
14:18:11 <Zakim> country code 46 is Sweden
14:18:29 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I'll take marcos's feedback into account
14:18:41 <Josh_Soref> ... anything else on battery/vibration?
14:18:44 <Josh_Soref> [ None ]
14:18:46 <darobin> Topic: AoB
14:18:54 <Josh_Soref> [ None ]
14:19:01 <Josh_Soref> darobin: thanks everyone else
14:19:07 <Zakim> -Clarke
14:19:09 <Zakim> -Claes
14:19:10 <Zakim> -Cathy
14:19:11 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:19:11 <Zakim> -dcheng3
14:19:12 <Wonsuk> Wonsuk has left #dap
14:19:13 <Zakim> -darobin
14:19:14 <Zakim> -milan
14:19:14 <Zakim> -dtran
14:19:15 <Zakim> - +46.1.07.15.aadd
14:19:16 <Zakim> -Jungkee
14:19:23 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll look into XXX
14:19:34 <Zakim> -Dsr
14:19:37 <Josh_Soref> ... please look into your Action Items
14:19:46 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise
14:19:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', Josh_Soref
14:19:52 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:20:08 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:20:08 <darobin> s/XXX/CR transition/
14:20:15 <Josh_Soref> [ Adjourned ]
14:20:22 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
14:20:22 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:20:22 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Josh_Soref, +25686aaaa, AnssiK, Dsr, Cathy, +46.1.08.00.aabb, Jungkee, +33.1.43.14.aacc, dcheng3, darobin, dtran, milan, Claes, Clarke,
14:20:26 <Zakim> ... +46.1.07.15.aadd
14:20:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:20:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/18-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:20:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:20:31 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/18-dap-actions.rdf :
14:20:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Robin to make the official TranReq for Battery, Vibration CR [1]
14:20:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/18-dap-irc#T14-17-06-1