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14:03:42 <evan> blaine: do you have a link to the discussion on the apps wg mailing list for Webfinger and SWD?
14:03:56 <jeff> agenda+ general orientation
14:04:07 <jeff> agenda+ getting ready for the ac meeting in may
14:04:13 <jeff> agenda+ assignment #2
14:04:24 <jeff> agenda+ looking for help on assignment #3
14:04:31 <jeff> agena?
14:04:38 <jeff> agenda?
14:04:51 <evan> I'd like to give it a shot
14:05:56 <evan> Zakim, this is Social Headlights
14:05:56 <Zakim> sorry, evan, I do not see a conference named 'Social Headlights' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:05:58 <jeff> http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce
14:06:47 <evan> this conference is SOC1
14:06:53 <evan> Zakim, this conference is SOC1
14:06:53 <Zakim> ok, evan; that matches Team_(SocNet)10:00AM
14:07:00 <evan> yay
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14:07:21 <SteveH__> I have to drop at 10:45a ET
14:07:22 <evan> Point of this call is to find areas where W3C should focus on standardization in social networking
14:07:47 <evan> jeff says, is there space where we should be taking up more specialized work
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14:07:58 <evan> we have 6 community groups working in the area
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14:08:07 <evan> not a lot of normative standards work in the area
14:08:17 <evan> social networking is a big part of the web taken as a given
14:09:01 <evan> Details of work so far is available at http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce
14:09:59 <evan> Develop a block diagram to show technical components of social networking and how they relate to each other
14:10:46 <evan> If we know how this is mapped out, we can make decisions about what could be proprietary, what could be standardized at W3C, what is being well standardized at other organizations
14:10:53 <jeff> zakim, close agendum 1
14:10:53 <Zakim> agendum 1, general orientation, closed
14:10:54 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:10:54 <Zakim> 2. getting ready for the ac meeting in may [from jeff]
14:11:45 <evan> headlights group to present at advisory committee meeting in 4 weeks
14:12:27 <evan> jeff, it is unlikely that we will have a converged recommendation by AC
14:13:17 <evan> RRSAgent, Scribe: evan
14:13:17 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'Scribe: evan', evan.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:13:39 <Zakim> + +1.541.848.aaee
14:13:50 <jeff> scribe: evan
14:14:04 <jeff> agenda+ next steps
14:14:11 <SteveH__> q+
14:14:40 <evan> evan: what is the next calendar date we could make recommendations?
14:15:20 <evan> what additional work do we have to do to get to a list of recommendations?
14:15:34 <evan> Work in July is have recommendations from headlights groups
14:16:03 <evan> Really important that we have recommendations by mid-July
14:16:27 <evan> Chair: Jeff Jaffe
14:17:23 <evan> jeff: it is not difficult to get recommendations; difficult to get consensus that we have the right recommendations
14:17:33 <evan> Also need the justification to do so
14:17:56 <Kelvin> So, I think we agreed on our last call that the diagram needs a script. Who was going to write that scrip?
14:18:16 <Kelvin> I also thought we agreed to reference the six CGs on the picture
14:18:20 <evan> Writing recommendations is easy; determining the correct ones is hard
14:18:40 <Kelvin> My point is we are leaping to the end without finishing the middle
14:18:45 <jeff> q+ kelvin
14:19:49 <jeff> ack ste
14:20:11 <evan> SteveH__ says, IBM prefers to work off W3C facilities rather than github
14:20:47 <evan> q+
14:21:55 <jeff> ack ev
14:22:06 <AnnBassetti> +1 will be better for me too
14:22:24 <evan> q-
14:22:37 <jeff> agenda ?
14:22:54 <SteveH__> q+ to ask question about objectives by June/July
14:24:16 <evan> ACTION evan to move diagram from github to w3c wiki and use wiki versioning of the document
14:24:23 <evan> I hope that was right
14:24:52 <evan> Kelvin, asks that we highlight community groups around social
14:25:22 <Kelvin> Thanks Evan looks good
14:25:26 <jeff> ack ke
14:25:30 <jeff> ack ste
14:25:30 <Zakim> SteveH__, you wanted to ask question about objectives by June/July
14:26:04 <evan> SteveH__: we had discussed scheduling a workshop on social end of the summer 2012
14:26:20 <evan> OpenSocial is interested and would like to do a co-branded, co-sponsored event
14:26:25 <evan> IBM interested in sponsoring
14:26:48 <evan> Need lead time to plan a meeting
14:28:06 <evan> jeff: proposition for the AC meeting is to have a workshop
14:28:43 <evan> q+
14:29:48 <SteveH__> @Jeff, sorry, you're right, it was not an action item for you
14:30:04 <claudio> q+
14:30:04 <evan> ACTION: evan to arrange a call between Jeff & other parties at W3C AND OpenSocial
14:30:26 <SteveH__> @even, once again, thanks
14:30:41 <evan> SteveH__: no problem
14:30:48 <evan> SteveH__: can you sit in on a call?
14:31:46 <evan> evan: should we talk to other organizations about the workshop?
14:31:54 <evan> jeff: might be too many people around the table
14:32:24 <jeff> ack eva
14:32:29 <jeff> ack clau
14:33:16 <evan> claudio: OMA may be interested in participating and/or sponsoring a workshop
14:33:53 <evan> if there are possibilities to have multiple meetings, could we have one on where the status of different organizations are on social
14:34:06 <evan> OMA has strong interest to have additional coordination
14:34:13 <evan>  ACTION: evan to move diagram from github to w3c wiki and use wiki versioning of the document
14:34:31 <evan> (sorry, I'm jst getting the handle on scribe terminology)
14:34:44 <jeff> agenda ?
14:35:32 <evan> As we think about next steps, what are the right scope of social for W3C and with whom do we work
14:37:16 <evan> jeff willing to talk to multiple organizations
14:37:28 <evan> ACTION: claudio to arrange a call on social efforts between Jeff and OMA
14:39:40 <evan> jeff: a lot of the work in Open Social has evolved to look at some of the really hard issues around enterprise environment
14:41:01 <jeff> q?
14:41:16 <jeff> zakim, close this item
14:41:16 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, jeff
14:41:17 <evan> virginie: what parts of our diagram fall into OpenSocial space? What parts fall into OMA space?
14:41:28 <jeff> zakim, close agendum 2
14:41:28 <Zakim> agendum 2, getting ready for the ac meeting in may, closed
14:41:29 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:41:29 <Zakim> 3. assignment #2 [from jeff]
14:41:38 <evan> jeff: OMA concentrates on mobile
14:43:22 <evan> AnnBassetti: has presented boeing's analysis of community/social effort
14:43:38 <evan> AnnBassetti: worked solo
14:43:57 <evan> AnnBassetti: revised social diagram based on Boeing document
14:44:37 <Rich_> #q
14:44:57 <Rich_> q+
14:45:06 <jeff> q+
14:46:19 <evan> AnnBassetti: started with original document
14:46:36 <evan> Identified some high-level organization
14:46:39 <evan> q+
14:46:49 <jeff> q- later
14:47:19 <Kelvin> I must confess I am getting a little lost as we seem to have more than one diagram now and I think we are stepping on each other
14:47:35 <evan> Kelvin: we've had a couple of contributions this week
14:47:42 <evan> AnnBassetti's and David Robinson's
14:47:58 <evan> Kelvin: I think there's an opportunity to merge and rationalize
14:48:28 <Kelvin> OK I probably mis understood that Ann's edits got edited after she submitted
14:49:41 <jeff> Ann: Maybe need a section for "groups"
14:49:57 <evan> When I get voice I'll suggest we take Ann's as canonical and merge David's into it
14:50:11 <jeff> +1 to evan
14:50:28 <evan> https://github.com/w3c-social-headlights/headlights-diagram/raw/16260e3fc76bedc1b5a2061cc2cd7c45b79ebd26/social-web.png <--- original version
14:50:47 <jeff> but also, we may need to rationalize parts of it: e.g. to add the group concept
14:51:47 <evan> AnnBassetti: added content structures
14:52:10 <SteveH__> I have to drop now.  I'll stay in the IRC chatroom in the background
14:52:16 <Zakim> -Steve
14:53:29 <evan> AnnBassetti: professional attributes (part of job, part of career) vs. personal attributes
14:54:53 <jeff> ack ri
14:55:01 <evan> Rich_: are David Robinson's efforts reflected in this document?
14:55:08 <evan> AnnBassetti: unable to get to most recent version
14:55:52 <jeff> ack ev
14:57:20 <AnnBassetti> Evan: <explains why github went bad; new version> 
14:57:30 <AnnBassetti> (thanks, Evan .. no prob)
14:58:29 <evan> jeff: take a week and iterate
14:58:33 <evan> q+
14:58:52 <jeff> ack next
14:58:57 <jeff> ack ev
15:00:48 <evan> AnnBassetti: would like to incorporate feedback, hasn't had full version of feedback so far
15:01:22 <Kelvin> q+
15:01:55 <Kelvin> I am struggling to comment as we seem to have missing feedback and no single diagram to all work from
15:03:11 <evan> ACTION: evan to get all versions of document onto W3C wiki today
15:03:17 <AnnBassetti> I have some time today and tomorrow .. .none on Wednesday
15:03:40 <Rich_> q+
15:03:42 <jeff> ack ke
15:04:50 <evan> Original, David Robinson, and Ann Bassetti diagram
15:05:18 <evan> Ann's will be canonical, will incorporate David's changes
15:06:08 <evan> q+
15:07:17 <jeff> ack rich
15:07:29 <evan> Rich_: tomorrow's Social Business group's feedback is David's version
15:09:05 <jeff> ack evan
15:11:24 <evan> evan: propose we suggest reviews against Ann's version
15:11:27 <jeff> zakim, move to next item
15:11:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "assignment #2" taken up [from jeff]
15:11:40 <jeff> zakim, close agendum 3
15:11:40 <Zakim> agendum 3, assignment #2, closed
15:11:41 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:11:41 <Zakim> 4. looking for help on assignment #3 [from jeff]
15:13:22 <evan> use-cases for social standards -- a narrative for diagram
15:13:34 <evan> was an assignment from 2 weeks ago that didn't come forward
15:13:48 <evan> q+
15:14:10 <jeff> Evan: I'm not volunteering
15:14:23 <jeff> ... There is meta information in the diagram
15:14:31 <jeff> ... Could be valuable to pull out into narrative
15:14:57 <jeff> ... (e.g. Web ID, what do we mean by sharing, descriptive information)
15:15:08 <jeff> ... Would help someone looking at it for the first time
15:15:12 <jeff> ack evan
15:16:15 <evan> 1- or 2-page document that describes where we're getting at
15:16:18 <evan> Not a 20-page document
15:16:49 <Zakim> - +1.541.848.aaee
15:17:46 <Zakim> + +1.541.848.aaff
15:18:25 <Zakim> + +1.541.848.aagg
15:20:32 <evan> Lloyd from social business group
15:21:00 <evan> Lloyd will pick up the pen and edit the headlights narrative document
15:21:41 <AnnBassetti> sounds like Ann and Kelvin are also willing to discuss with Lloyd how we might describe this diagram
15:21:50 <evan> AnnBassetti: that was my take-away
15:22:29 <evan> what is the meaning of the groupings, how do the parts relate to each other
15:22:38 <AnnBassetti> (I encourage others to let me know they would be willing to participate in this discussion! ... would be helpful to have your perspective)
15:22:41 <evan> Three volunteers will be working on it
15:23:11 <evan> ACTION: Lloyd to lead editing a narrative document, Ann and Kelvin to help
15:23:35 <evan> AnnBassetti: people who don't understand the diagram are the best ones to comment
15:23:47 <AnnBassetti> goal:  1-2 pages overview description
15:24:19 <AnnBassetti> Lloyd ++
15:24:50 <jeff> zakim, take up next item
15:24:50 <Zakim> agendum 4. "looking for help on assignment #3" taken up [from jeff]
15:24:51 <evan> jeff: publish to the wiki so all can see it
15:25:08 <jeff> zakim, close agendum 4
15:25:08 <Zakim> agendum 4, looking for help on assignment #3, closed
15:25:09 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:25:09 <Zakim> 5. next steps [from jeff]
15:25:25 <jeff> rrsagent, make minutes
15:25:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html jeff
15:26:06 <virginie> ok with both too
15:27:21 <evan> q+
15:27:29 <jeff> ack evan
15:28:14 <Zakim> - +1.541.848.aaff
15:28:16 <Zakim> - +1.541.848.aagg
15:28:51 <Zakim> + +1.541.848.aahh
15:30:21 <evan> meet next week at 11AM EDT?
15:31:17 <AnnBassetti> Ann:  OK
15:31:28 <evan> +1 here
15:34:39 <evan> My action item is done: http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce#Diagram
15:36:04 <Zakim> - +1.514.554.aaaa
15:36:06 <Zakim> -Ann_Bassetti
15:36:06 <Zakim> -Jeff
15:36:08 <Zakim> -Kelvin
15:36:09 <Zakim> - +1.919.844.aadd
15:36:09 <Zakim> - +39.011.228.aabb
15:36:11 <Zakim> - +33.4.42.36.aacc
15:36:21 <Zakim> - +1.541.848.aahh
15:36:22 <Zakim> Team_(SocNet)10:00AM has ended
15:36:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Ann_Bassetti, +1.514.554.aaaa, Kelvin, Jeff, +39.011.228.aabb, Steve, +33.4.42.36.aacc, +1.919.844.aadd, +1.541.848.aaee, +1.541.848.aaff, +1.541.848.aagg,
15:36:22 <Zakim> ... +1.541.848.aahh
15:36:32 <jeff> rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html jeff
15:36:32 <evan> Zakim: +1.514.554.aaaa is me
15:36:50 <evan> jeff: is there a last step needed there?
15:37:05 <jeff> Evan, what do you mean?
15:37:05 <evan> I get an "Insufficient Access Privileges" error
15:37:16 <evan> for http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html
15:37:28 <evan> It looks like a 403 error
15:37:39 <evan> Rather than a 404
15:37:47 <jeff> Let me check.  One second.
15:40:10 <evan> jeff: thanks
15:50:23 <Ian> Ian has joined #social
15:50:26 <Ian> hi jeff
15:51:37 <jeff> rrsagent, set logs public
15:52:02 <jeff> Evan, we are good now.
15:52:09 <jeff> Make sure you can access
15:52:22 <Ian> rrsagent, pointer?
15:52:22 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-irc#T15-52-22
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