IRC log of social on 2012-04-16

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-irc
14:03:42 [evan]
blaine: do you have a link to the discussion on the apps wg mailing list for Webfinger and SWD?
14:03:56 [jeff]
agenda+ general orientation
14:04:07 [jeff]
agenda+ getting ready for the ac meeting in may
14:04:13 [jeff]
agenda+ assignment #2
14:04:24 [jeff]
agenda+ looking for help on assignment #3
14:04:31 [jeff]
agena?
14:04:38 [jeff]
agenda?
14:04:51 [evan]
I'd like to give it a shot
14:05:56 [evan]
Zakim, this is Social Headlights
14:05:56 [Zakim]
sorry, evan, I do not see a conference named 'Social Headlights' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:05:58 [jeff]
http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce
14:06:47 [evan]
this conference is SOC1
14:06:53 [evan]
Zakim, this conference is SOC1
14:06:53 [Zakim]
ok, evan; that matches Team_(SocNet)10:00AM
14:07:00 [evan]
yay
14:07:19 [virginie]
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14:07:21 [SteveH__]
I have to drop at 10:45a ET
14:07:22 [evan]
Point of this call is to find areas where W3C should focus on standardization in social networking
14:07:47 [evan]
jeff says, is there space where we should be taking up more specialized work
14:07:52 [Rich_]
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14:07:58 [evan]
we have 6 community groups working in the area
14:08:01 [AnnBassetti]
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14:08:07 [evan]
not a lot of normative standards work in the area
14:08:17 [evan]
social networking is a big part of the web taken as a given
14:09:01 [evan]
Details of work so far is available at http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce
14:09:59 [evan]
Develop a block diagram to show technical components of social networking and how they relate to each other
14:10:46 [evan]
If we know how this is mapped out, we can make decisions about what could be proprietary, what could be standardized at W3C, what is being well standardized at other organizations
14:10:53 [jeff]
zakim, close agendum 1
14:10:53 [Zakim]
agendum 1, general orientation, closed
14:10:54 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:10:54 [Zakim]
2. getting ready for the ac meeting in may [from jeff]
14:11:45 [evan]
headlights group to present at advisory committee meeting in 4 weeks
14:12:27 [evan]
jeff, it is unlikely that we will have a converged recommendation by AC
14:13:17 [evan]
RRSAgent, Scribe: evan
14:13:17 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'Scribe: evan', evan. Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:13:39 [Zakim]
+ +1.541.848.aaee
14:13:50 [jeff]
scribe: evan
14:14:04 [jeff]
agenda+ next steps
14:14:11 [SteveH__]
q+
14:14:40 [evan]
evan: what is the next calendar date we could make recommendations?
14:15:20 [evan]
what additional work do we have to do to get to a list of recommendations?
14:15:34 [evan]
Work in July is have recommendations from headlights groups
14:16:03 [evan]
Really important that we have recommendations by mid-July
14:16:27 [evan]
Chair: Jeff Jaffe
14:17:23 [evan]
jeff: it is not difficult to get recommendations; difficult to get consensus that we have the right recommendations
14:17:33 [evan]
Also need the justification to do so
14:17:56 [Kelvin]
So, I think we agreed on our last call that the diagram needs a script. Who was going to write that scrip?
14:18:16 [Kelvin]
I also thought we agreed to reference the six CGs on the picture
14:18:20 [evan]
Writing recommendations is easy; determining the correct ones is hard
14:18:40 [Kelvin]
My point is we are leaping to the end without finishing the middle
14:18:45 [jeff]
q+ kelvin
14:19:49 [jeff]
ack ste
14:20:11 [evan]
SteveH__ says, IBM prefers to work off W3C facilities rather than github
14:20:47 [evan]
q+
14:21:55 [jeff]
ack ev
14:22:06 [AnnBassetti]
+1 will be better for me too
14:22:24 [evan]
q-
14:22:37 [jeff]
agenda ?
14:22:54 [SteveH__]
q+ to ask question about objectives by June/July
14:24:16 [evan]
ACTION evan to move diagram from github to w3c wiki and use wiki versioning of the document
14:24:23 [evan]
I hope that was right
14:24:52 [evan]
Kelvin, asks that we highlight community groups around social
14:25:22 [Kelvin]
Thanks Evan looks good
14:25:26 [jeff]
ack ke
14:25:30 [jeff]
ack ste
14:25:30 [Zakim]
SteveH__, you wanted to ask question about objectives by June/July
14:26:04 [evan]
SteveH__: we had discussed scheduling a workshop on social end of the summer 2012
14:26:20 [evan]
OpenSocial is interested and would like to do a co-branded, co-sponsored event
14:26:25 [evan]
IBM interested in sponsoring
14:26:48 [evan]
Need lead time to plan a meeting
14:28:06 [evan]
jeff: proposition for the AC meeting is to have a workshop
14:28:43 [evan]
q+
14:29:48 [SteveH__]
@Jeff, sorry, you're right, it was not an action item for you
14:30:04 [claudio]
q+
14:30:04 [evan]
ACTION: evan to arrange a call between Jeff & other parties at W3C AND OpenSocial
14:30:26 [SteveH__]
@even, once again, thanks
14:30:41 [evan]
SteveH__: no problem
14:30:48 [evan]
SteveH__: can you sit in on a call?
14:31:46 [evan]
evan: should we talk to other organizations about the workshop?
14:31:54 [evan]
jeff: might be too many people around the table
14:32:24 [jeff]
ack eva
14:32:29 [jeff]
ack clau
14:33:16 [evan]
claudio: OMA may be interested in participating and/or sponsoring a workshop
14:33:53 [evan]
if there are possibilities to have multiple meetings, could we have one on where the status of different organizations are on social
14:34:06 [evan]
OMA has strong interest to have additional coordination
14:34:13 [evan]
ACTION: evan to move diagram from github to w3c wiki and use wiki versioning of the document
14:34:31 [evan]
(sorry, I'm jst getting the handle on scribe terminology)
14:34:44 [jeff]
agenda ?
14:35:32 [evan]
As we think about next steps, what are the right scope of social for W3C and with whom do we work
14:37:16 [evan]
jeff willing to talk to multiple organizations
14:37:28 [evan]
ACTION: claudio to arrange a call on social efforts between Jeff and OMA
14:39:40 [evan]
jeff: a lot of the work in Open Social has evolved to look at some of the really hard issues around enterprise environment
14:41:01 [jeff]
q?
14:41:16 [jeff]
zakim, close this item
14:41:16 [Zakim]
I do not know what agendum had been taken up, jeff
14:41:17 [evan]
virginie: what parts of our diagram fall into OpenSocial space? What parts fall into OMA space?
14:41:28 [jeff]
zakim, close agendum 2
14:41:28 [Zakim]
agendum 2, getting ready for the ac meeting in may, closed
14:41:29 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:41:29 [Zakim]
3. assignment #2 [from jeff]
14:41:38 [evan]
jeff: OMA concentrates on mobile
14:43:22 [evan]
AnnBassetti: has presented boeing's analysis of community/social effort
14:43:38 [evan]
AnnBassetti: worked solo
14:43:57 [evan]
AnnBassetti: revised social diagram based on Boeing document
14:44:37 [Rich_]
#q
14:44:57 [Rich_]
q+
14:45:06 [jeff]
q+
14:46:19 [evan]
AnnBassetti: started with original document
14:46:36 [evan]
Identified some high-level organization
14:46:39 [evan]
q+
14:46:49 [jeff]
q- later
14:47:19 [Kelvin]
I must confess I am getting a little lost as we seem to have more than one diagram now and I think we are stepping on each other
14:47:35 [evan]
Kelvin: we've had a couple of contributions this week
14:47:42 [evan]
AnnBassetti's and David Robinson's
14:47:58 [evan]
Kelvin: I think there's an opportunity to merge and rationalize
14:48:28 [Kelvin]
OK I probably mis understood that Ann's edits got edited after she submitted
14:49:41 [jeff]
Ann: Maybe need a section for "groups"
14:49:57 [evan]
When I get voice I'll suggest we take Ann's as canonical and merge David's into it
14:50:11 [jeff]
+1 to evan
14:50:28 [evan]
https://github.com/w3c-social-headlights/headlights-diagram/raw/16260e3fc76bedc1b5a2061cc2cd7c45b79ebd26/social-web.png <--- original version
14:50:47 [jeff]
but also, we may need to rationalize parts of it: e.g. to add the group concept
14:51:47 [evan]
AnnBassetti: added content structures
14:52:10 [SteveH__]
I have to drop now. I'll stay in the IRC chatroom in the background
14:52:16 [Zakim]
-Steve
14:53:29 [evan]
AnnBassetti: professional attributes (part of job, part of career) vs. personal attributes
14:54:53 [jeff]
ack ri
14:55:01 [evan]
Rich_: are David Robinson's efforts reflected in this document?
14:55:08 [evan]
AnnBassetti: unable to get to most recent version
14:55:52 [jeff]
ack ev
14:57:20 [AnnBassetti]
Evan: <explains why github went bad; new version>
14:57:30 [AnnBassetti]
(thanks, Evan .. no prob)
14:58:29 [evan]
jeff: take a week and iterate
14:58:33 [evan]
q+
14:58:52 [jeff]
ack next
14:58:57 [jeff]
ack ev
15:00:48 [evan]
AnnBassetti: would like to incorporate feedback, hasn't had full version of feedback so far
15:01:22 [Kelvin]
q+
15:01:55 [Kelvin]
I am struggling to comment as we seem to have missing feedback and no single diagram to all work from
15:03:11 [evan]
ACTION: evan to get all versions of document onto W3C wiki today
15:03:17 [AnnBassetti]
I have some time today and tomorrow .. .none on Wednesday
15:03:40 [Rich_]
q+
15:03:42 [jeff]
ack ke
15:04:50 [evan]
Original, David Robinson, and Ann Bassetti diagram
15:05:18 [evan]
Ann's will be canonical, will incorporate David's changes
15:06:08 [evan]
q+
15:07:17 [jeff]
ack rich
15:07:29 [evan]
Rich_: tomorrow's Social Business group's feedback is David's version
15:09:05 [jeff]
ack evan
15:11:24 [evan]
evan: propose we suggest reviews against Ann's version
15:11:27 [jeff]
zakim, move to next item
15:11:27 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "assignment #2" taken up [from jeff]
15:11:40 [jeff]
zakim, close agendum 3
15:11:40 [Zakim]
agendum 3, assignment #2, closed
15:11:41 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:11:41 [Zakim]
4. looking for help on assignment #3 [from jeff]
15:13:22 [evan]
use-cases for social standards -- a narrative for diagram
15:13:34 [evan]
was an assignment from 2 weeks ago that didn't come forward
15:13:48 [evan]
q+
15:14:10 [jeff]
Evan: I'm not volunteering
15:14:23 [jeff]
... There is meta information in the diagram
15:14:31 [jeff]
... Could be valuable to pull out into narrative
15:14:57 [jeff]
... (e.g. Web ID, what do we mean by sharing, descriptive information)
15:15:08 [jeff]
... Would help someone looking at it for the first time
15:15:12 [jeff]
ack evan
15:16:15 [evan]
1- or 2-page document that describes where we're getting at
15:16:18 [evan]
Not a 20-page document
15:16:49 [Zakim]
- +1.541.848.aaee
15:17:46 [Zakim]
+ +1.541.848.aaff
15:18:25 [Zakim]
+ +1.541.848.aagg
15:20:32 [evan]
Lloyd from social business group
15:21:00 [evan]
Lloyd will pick up the pen and edit the headlights narrative document
15:21:41 [AnnBassetti]
sounds like Ann and Kelvin are also willing to discuss with Lloyd how we might describe this diagram
15:21:50 [evan]
AnnBassetti: that was my take-away
15:22:29 [evan]
what is the meaning of the groupings, how do the parts relate to each other
15:22:38 [AnnBassetti]
(I encourage others to let me know they would be willing to participate in this discussion! ... would be helpful to have your perspective)
15:22:41 [evan]
Three volunteers will be working on it
15:23:11 [evan]
ACTION: Lloyd to lead editing a narrative document, Ann and Kelvin to help
15:23:35 [evan]
AnnBassetti: people who don't understand the diagram are the best ones to comment
15:23:47 [AnnBassetti]
goal: 1-2 pages overview description
15:24:19 [AnnBassetti]
Lloyd ++
15:24:50 [jeff]
zakim, take up next item
15:24:50 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "looking for help on assignment #3" taken up [from jeff]
15:24:51 [evan]
jeff: publish to the wiki so all can see it
15:25:08 [jeff]
zakim, close agendum 4
15:25:08 [Zakim]
agendum 4, looking for help on assignment #3, closed
15:25:09 [Zakim]
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:25:09 [Zakim]
5. next steps [from jeff]
15:25:25 [jeff]
rrsagent, make minutes
15:25:25 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html jeff
15:26:06 [virginie]
ok with both too
15:27:21 [evan]
q+
15:27:29 [jeff]
ack evan
15:28:14 [Zakim]
- +1.541.848.aaff
15:28:16 [Zakim]
- +1.541.848.aagg
15:28:51 [Zakim]
+ +1.541.848.aahh
15:30:21 [evan]
meet next week at 11AM EDT?
15:31:17 [AnnBassetti]
Ann: OK
15:31:28 [evan]
+1 here
15:34:39 [evan]
My action item is done: http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce#Diagram
15:36:04 [Zakim]
- +1.514.554.aaaa
15:36:06 [Zakim]
-Ann_Bassetti
15:36:06 [Zakim]
-Jeff
15:36:08 [Zakim]
-Kelvin
15:36:09 [Zakim]
- +1.919.844.aadd
15:36:09 [Zakim]
- +39.011.228.aabb
15:36:11 [Zakim]
- +33.4.42.36.aacc
15:36:21 [Zakim]
- +1.541.848.aahh
15:36:22 [Zakim]
Team_(SocNet)10:00AM has ended
15:36:22 [Zakim]
Attendees were Ann_Bassetti, +1.514.554.aaaa, Kelvin, Jeff, +39.011.228.aabb, Steve, +33.4.42.36.aacc, +1.919.844.aadd, +1.541.848.aaee, +1.541.848.aaff, +1.541.848.aagg,
15:36:22 [Zakim]
... +1.541.848.aahh
15:36:32 [jeff]
rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:32 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html jeff
15:36:32 [evan]
Zakim: +1.514.554.aaaa is me
15:36:50 [evan]
jeff: is there a last step needed there?
15:37:05 [jeff]
Evan, what do you mean?
15:37:05 [evan]
I get an "Insufficient Access Privileges" error
15:37:16 [evan]
for http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html
15:37:28 [evan]
It looks like a 403 error
15:37:39 [evan]
Rather than a 404
15:37:47 [jeff]
Let me check. One second.
15:40:10 [evan]
jeff: thanks
15:50:23 [Ian]
Ian has joined #social
15:50:26 [Ian]
hi jeff
15:51:37 [jeff]
rrsagent, set logs public
15:52:02 [jeff]
Evan, we are good now.
15:52:09 [jeff]
Make sure you can access
15:52:22 [Ian]
rrsagent, pointer?
15:52:22 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-irc#T15-52-22
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