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14:51:14 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
14:51:14 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:51:20 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:51:23 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
14:51:27 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started
14:51:29 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
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14:57:45 <Zakim> +??P1
14:57:54 <Clarke> zakim, ??P1 is me
14:57:54 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
14:58:39 <Zakim> +??P2
14:58:58 <nisc> zakim, ??P2 is me
14:58:58 <Zakim> +nisc; got it
14:59:12 <nisc> zakim, nisc is Niklas_Schmücker
14:59:12 <Zakim> +Niklas_Schmücker; got it
14:59:21 <Zakim> +Oliver_Goldman
14:59:32 <Zakim> + +1.425.269.aaaa
14:59:37 <kaz> zakim, Oliver_Goldman is Joe_Steele
14:59:37 <Zakim> +Joe_Steele; got it
14:59:45 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is John_Simmons
14:59:45 <Zakim> +John_Simmons; got it
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15:00:22 <Zakim> +??P11
15:00:31 <glenn> zakim, ??p11 is glenn
15:00:31 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
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15:01:05 <kaz> zakim, ??P8 is Eric
15:01:05 <Zakim> +Eric; got it
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15:02:42 <kaz> zakim, aabb Russell
15:02:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb Russell', kaz
15:02:47 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Russell
15:02:47 <Zakim> +Russell; got it
15:02:52 <kaz> zakim, aacc is Duncan
15:02:52 <Zakim> +Duncan; got it
15:03:38 <Zakim> +??P28
15:03:46 <kaz> zakim, ??P28 is Giuseppe
15:03:46 <Zakim> +Giuseppe; got it
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15:04:14 <kaz> scribe: Joe
15:04:15 <joesteele> Scribe: joesteele
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15:04:22 <kaz> scribenick: joesteele
15:04:27 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
15:04:40 <kaz> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_12th_April_2012
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15:05:27 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
15:05:29 <KevinStreeter> zakim, I am +1.858.735.aadd
15:05:29 <Zakim> +KevinStreeter; got it
15:05:39 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Clarke (45%), Niklas_Schmücker (24%)
15:05:40 <kaz> zakim, mute me
15:05:41 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
15:05:51 <kaz> zakim, mute Niklas
15:05:51 <Zakim> Niklas_Schmücker should now be muted
15:05:56 <joesteele> Topic: Bugs
15:06:21 <joesteele> Clarke: review bugs and first draft of reqs doc -- anything else?
15:06:39 <joesteele> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF#Bugs
15:06:54 <joesteele> Clarke: no new bugs recorded -- any new ones?
15:07:20 <joesteele> Clarke: any status changes on the 7 bugs we are tracking?
15:07:27 <kaz> Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconference
15:07:31 <kaz> Chair: Clarke
15:07:33 <joesteele> ???1: some comments on one of the bugs
15:07:42 <kaz> s/???1/giuseppe/
15:07:50 <joesteele> Clarke: anything we want to cover on those bugs? 
15:07:59 <joesteele> guiseppe: not for now
15:08:10 <Zakim> + +358.405.81aaee
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15:08:16 <joesteele> Clarke: just sent ADB reqs doc -- this will be submitted to HTML Media TF
15:08:32 <kaz> zakim, aaee is Juhahi
15:08:32 <Zakim> +Juhahi; got it
15:08:41 <joesteele> Clarke: follows the MPTF template. not on a common repository yet, sent as an enclosure
15:08:55 <joesteele> Clarke: GoToMeeting to follow along
15:09:14 <joesteele> Clarke: two mains things to cover today ...
15:09:24 <joesteele> … reqs listed form our dashboard page ...
15:09:26 <kaz> i/just sent/topic: ABR requirements/
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15:09:46 <joesteele> … section for more comments -- not filled in yet ...
15:09:54 <glenn> glenn has joined #webtv
15:09:56 <joesteele> … section on security and next steps ...
15:10:00 <kaz> s/mains things/main things/
15:10:08 <joesteele> … part to expand on today is terminology.
15:10:28 <joesteele> Clarke: need to get additional terms that need to be brought up in the doc
15:10:42 <joesteele> Clarke: any terms that are related to ABR that need to be added?
15:11:16 <Zakim> +??P35
15:11:19 <kaz> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2012Apr/att-0007/MPTF_ADB_Requirements3.html initial draft of MPTF Requirements for Adaptive Bit Rate Streaming
15:11:26 <joesteele> Clarke: we could add a definition for ADB itself
15:11:42 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:11:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki (muted), Clarke, Niklas_Schmücker (muted), Joe_Steele, John_Simmons, Eric, glenn (muted), Russell, Duncan, Giuseppe, Mark_Vickers, KevinStreeter,
15:11:44 <joesteele> Clarke: probably "manifest file" 
15:11:46 <Zakim> ... Juhahi, ??P35 (muted)
15:11:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see glenn, KevinStreeter, Juhani, mark_vickers, Russell_Berkoff, giuseppe, eric, duncanr, Clarke, joesteele, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, nisc, masao, timeless, trackbot
15:11:47 <glenn> zakim, ??p35 is glenn
15:11:47 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:11:53 <joesteele> s/ABR/ADB/
15:12:43 <joesteele> guiseppe: list the open sources for this document as well
15:12:54 <giuseppe> s/guiseppe/giuseppe/
15:12:59 <joesteele> Clarke: few definitions from the proposal itself
15:13:20 <joesteele> Clarke: "common time base" ?
15:13:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:13:59 <joesteele> Clarke: what about "trick play"?
15:14:57 <joesteele> John_Simmons: for a doc intended to be requirements, any definitions not around objects you are trying to articulate are not required
15:15:42 <joesteele> John_Simmons: a lot of things mentioned will fall out of the proposals created and attempts to create a solution for the HTML WG
15:15:54 <joesteele> John_Simmons: main thing is to get the reqs clear
15:16:10 <joesteele> Clarke: get things specific to a proposal and those should be in the proposal
15:16:41 <joesteele> Clarke: what about "user agent"?
15:17:02 <joesteele> John_Simmons: this is a well define term in the HTML WG  -- does not need to be defined
15:17:27 <joesteele> Clarke: any other terms to define?
15:18:04 <joesteele> Clarke: please take a look at the TOC and see if anything is there
15:18:35 <giuseppe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2012Apr/att-0007/MPTF_ADB_Requirements3.html
15:19:44 <joesteele> Clarke: <reading the TOC>
15:20:23 <joesteele> joesteele: definition of "track"?
15:21:10 <joesteele> Duncan: authors of the spec has Adrian instead of Kilroy
15:21:43 <joesteele> Clarke: any other comment on the outline?
15:22:17 <joesteele> Clarke: back to the agenda
15:22:30 <joesteele> Topic: new bugs or TF items?
15:22:40 <joesteele> Clarke: anything else to discuss here?
15:23:33 <joesteele> John_Simmons: the TF has been proposed in HTML WG, comments have been posted, similar to previous discussion there are people opposed to there even being a TF ...
15:24:01 <joesteele> … I encourage people interested in seeing this work to express their support for creation of this TF ...
15:24:18 <joesteele> ???2: do we respond to the CFC?
15:24:28 <kaz> s/???2:/Mark_Vickers:/
15:24:33 <joesteele> John_SImmons: yes - just respond that we support the creation of this task force
15:25:09 <joesteele> Clarke: I thought we had gone through this -- what determines whether a TF gets formed? simple majority? feedback? ...
15:25:22 <joesteele> … how do we know when enough support has been given?
15:25:43 <joesteele> John_Simmons: it is not a forgone conclusion that TF will be created
15:25:56 <Clarke> ?q
15:25:57 <kaz> zakim, unmute me
15:25:57 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should no longer be muted
15:25:57 <glenn> there aren't really any rules
15:25:59 <Clarke> q?
15:26:07 <glenn> it is a matter of the chairs to determine consensus
15:26:15 <joesteele> kaz: consensus is the process
15:26:16 <glenn> consensus does not mean unanimity
15:26:40 <joesteele> kaz: it would be useful to send out supporting message
15:26:51 <joesteele> Clarke: seems unlikely to be agreement. does a vote happen?
15:27:02 <joesteele> kaz: yes -- final resolution is a vote
15:27:09 <glenn> no vote will occur if the chairs feel there is no need for it
15:27:18 <joesteele> Clarke: company get to vote?
15:27:45 <joesteele> s/company get/ companies get/
15:28:05 <joesteele> Clarke: expressing support is useful and encouraged, but final decision is subject to ambiguity
15:28:28 <glenn> the response date already passed
15:28:29 <joesteele> Mark_Vickers: I am going to respond today and I encourage others
15:28:34 <glenn> and it only asked for objections
15:28:39 <joesteele> Clarke: any other discussion?
15:28:47 <joesteele> Clarke: any other topics?
15:29:17 <joesteele> Clarke: short meeting today. Will update the docs and send out the links for review.
15:29:26 <joesteele> Topic: Adjournement
15:29:26 <Zakim> -Eric
15:29:28 <Zakim> -glenn.a
15:29:31 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
15:29:33 <Zakim> -John_Simmons
15:29:35 <Zakim> -Duncan
15:29:36 <Zakim> -Clarke
15:29:38 <Zakim> -KevinStreeter
15:29:38 <Zakim> -Russell
15:29:39 <Zakim> -Juhahi
15:29:39 <Zakim> -Joe_Steele
15:29:42 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
15:29:43 <Zakim> -Giuseppe
15:29:53 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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15:30:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:30:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:30:28 <kaz> Present: Kazuyuki, Clarke, Niklas_Schmücker, Joe_Steele, John_Simmons, Eric, Glenn, Russell, Duncan, Giuseppe, Mark_Vickers, Kevin_Streeter, Juhahi
15:30:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:30:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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