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13:57:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
13:57:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see Vide_TTML()10:00AM already started
13:57:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:57:08 <trackbot> Date: 12 April 2012
13:57:15 <glenn> zakim, who's here?
13:57:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P7
13:57:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Sean, Zakim, glenn, trackbot
13:57:23 <glenn> zakim, ??p7 is glenn
13:57:23 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
13:58:10 <glenn> Chair: sean
13:58:14 <glenn> Scribe: glenn
13:58:19 <glenn> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Apr/0006.html
13:59:24 <Zakim> + +44.154.558.aaaa
13:59:46 <Sean> zakim, aaaa is Sean
13:59:46 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
14:00:15 <glenn> Regrets: geoff
14:00:23 <mike> mike has joined #tt
14:00:35 <plh> plh has joined #tt
14:00:44 <Zakim> + +1.858.847.aabb
14:01:02 <glenn> zakim, aabb is mike
14:01:02 <Zakim> +mike; got it
14:02:31 <Zakim> +Plh
14:02:58 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
14:02:58 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:03:29 <glenn> Topic: Charter update (plh)
14:03:51 <plh> action-44?
14:03:51 <trackbot> ACTION-44 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to put in place a new errata and ask plh to set up the redirect to it -- due 2012-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:03:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/44
14:04:19 <plh> close action-44
14:04:19 <trackbot> ACTION-44 Put in place a new errata and ask plh to set up the redirect to it closed
14:04:50 <glenn> plh: charter went to members for review
14:05:02 <glenn> ... no formal feedback so far
14:05:21 <glenn> ... some informal feedback about difference between ttml and webvtt
14:05:50 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2012/02/timed-text-wg-charter.html
14:06:00 <plh> "In the process of producing this new revision, the Group MAY:"
14:06:40 <glenn> ... some comments have asked about use of 'MAY'
14:07:02 <glenn> sean: the 'WILL' is for deliverables, the 'MAY' indicates optionality
14:07:02 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:07:20 <AWK> AWK has joined #tt
14:10:15 <glenn> glenn: could make item (1) and item (3) under TTML1.0/1.1 deliverables as 'WILL', but others probably should remain optional
14:10:51 <glenn> sean: item (2) under TTML1.0 {TV compatible online captioning profile} may end up being a tech report/note
14:12:54 <glenn> plh: suggests AWK to discuss with Carl (Carlgill) possible liaison issues (with WebVTT CG)
14:14:50 <glenn> Topic: SMPTE, etc
14:15:09 <glenn> mike: (1) does not necessarily have support for work
14:15:37 <glenn> ... (2) a study activity is underway in SMPTE to map TTML into MPEG-4 containers
14:15:47 <glenn> ... expects some input after May 4
14:16:41 <glenn> Topic: Open Actions
14:16:43 <glenn> ACTION-55?
14:16:43 <trackbot> ACTION-55 -- Glenn Adams to work with plh to create accessible schema -- due 2012-04-12 -- OPEN
14:16:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/55
14:17:29 <glenn> plh: doesn't see any issue with doing this
14:18:44 <glenn> ... but can't place this inside TR space
14:21:26 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd
14:21:32 <glenn> glenn: may end up with multiple XSD files since we have multiple namespaces for which xsd is defined
14:21:51 <glenn> mike: notes that current TTML schema includes copy of xml.xsd schema
14:22:20 <glenn> ACTION plh to determine official location for xml.xsd schema
14:22:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Determine official location for xml.xsd schema [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2012-04-19].
14:22:32 <glenn> ISSUE-151?
14:22:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Clarify syncbase in SMPTE continuous mode -- open
14:22:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/151
14:23:02 <plh> zakim, mute glenn
14:23:02 <Zakim> glenn should now be muted
14:23:13 <plh> zakim, unmute glenn
14:23:13 <Zakim> glenn should no longer be muted
14:29:05 <glenn> ACTION plh to request shortname ttml11 prior to FPWD on TTML1.1
14:29:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Request shortname ttml11 prior to FPWD on TTML1.1 [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2012-04-19].
14:29:28 <glenn> ACTION-57?
14:29:28 <trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Glenn Adams to populate a ttml11 directory for authoring v.next, referring to existing ttml10 materials in way that best supports synchronization with changes in ttml10 -- due 2012-04-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:29:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/57
14:29:33 <glenn> close ACTION-57
14:29:33 <trackbot> ACTION-57 Populate a ttml11 directory for authoring v.next, referring to existing ttml10 materials in way that best supports synchronization with changes in ttml10 closed
14:29:39 <glenn> ACTION-52?
14:29:39 <trackbot> ACTION-52 -- Sean Hayes to draft CP for resolving ISSUE-154 -- due 2012-03-29 -- OPEN
14:29:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/52
14:30:03 <glenn> ISSUE-154?
14:30:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- Clarify the endsync behavior -- open
14:30:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/154
14:31:06 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72
14:31:12 <glenn> ISSUE-72?
14:31:12 <trackbot> ISSUE-72 -- Smooth scrolling by means of reference area offset -- open
14:31:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72
14:32:28 <glenn> mike: suggests mimic of 708 attributes
14:32:38 <glenn> sean: can't find references
14:32:49 <glenn> mike: for smooth scrolling, have to go back further
14:32:56 <glenn> sean: what should this look like?
14:33:50 <glenn> glenn: thinks that WGHB had provided a video in the past
14:34:10 <glenn> ... might be in the TT member archives
14:34:31 <glenn> sean: wonders if mike can take an action on this
14:35:19 <glenn> ACTION glenn to search TT member archives for reference to video showing smooth scrolling
14:35:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Search TT member archives for reference to video showing smooth scrolling [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-04-19].
14:35:36 <glenn> ACTION-62: to defer to mike if unable to find
14:35:36 <trackbot> ACTION-62 Search TT member archives for reference to video showing smooth scrolling notes added
14:36:12 <glenn> Topic: Open Issues
14:36:17 <glenn> ISSUE-158?
14:36:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- background images -- open
14:36:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/158
14:37:09 <glenn> mike: SMPTE-TT defines an element and a couple of attrs to create an inline image and reference either inline or external image
14:37:16 <glenn> ... only format is image/png
14:37:26 <glenn> ... inline encoding allows inline coding of image/png
14:37:58 <glenn> ... on a div element, can put a reference to a background image that has a URI referring to background image for div
14:38:14 <glenn> ... used for long form content, especially for non-English content
14:38:45 <plh> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2008Dec/0155.html roll-examples
14:38:52 <glenn> ... also used for refined placement of image based glyphs (rather than relying upon builtin fonts)
14:38:57 <plh> s/roll-examples/roll-up examples/
14:39:32 <glenn> mike: semantics of what happens when both image and text content are provide may need more work
14:39:46 <plh> ACTION-62: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2008Dec/0155.html
14:39:46 <trackbot> ACTION-62 Search TT member archives for reference to video showing smooth scrolling notes added
14:39:48 <glenn> sean: should this be adopted into TTML11 NS?
14:40:02 <glenn> mike: points out that can't use both, must choose image or text content
14:40:28 <glenn> sean: suggests mike write a CP
14:40:44 <glenn> ... or sean could take this as action
14:40:56 <glenn> mike: notes that smpte specs are public
14:41:11 <plh> --> http://store.smpte.org/product-p/st%202052-1-2010.htm SMPTE-TT
14:41:18 <glenn> sean: wonders what smpte position would be?
14:41:35 <glenn> mike: would have to go back to smpte, but probably no issue
14:41:55 <glenn> plh: provides pointer
14:42:33 <glenn> ISSUE-158: solicit CP
14:42:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-158 background images notes added
14:42:57 <mike> smpte-tt schema - http://www.smpte-ra.org/schemas/2052-1/2010/smpte-tt.xsd
14:43:27 <glenn> ACTION sean to issue a call for CPs on ISSUE-158
14:43:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Issue a call for CPs on ISSUE-158 [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-04-19].
14:44:55 <plh> ACTION: plh to investigate why TT WG can't postpone issues
14:44:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Investigate why TT WG can't postpone issues [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2012-04-19].
14:44:59 <glenn> s/can't use both/can't use both in ultraviolet/
14:45:21 <glenn> ISSUE-138?
14:45:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-138 -- Standard extension to support W3C ruby markup -- open
14:45:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/138
14:46:25 <glenn> sean: can do manually, but currently no language support for ruby
14:47:05 <glenn> ... there are existing solutions in W3C for markup of ruby
14:47:27 <glenn> ... should we take a style driven approach or a markup approach?
14:47:39 <glenn> ... could use role to add one level of markup
14:48:10 <glenn> e.g., <span role='rb'>
14:52:02 <glenn> ... don't want to reinvent the wheel here
14:52:40 <glenn> ... suggest a combination of use of style and role may be best approach
14:52:45 <glenn> ... more future proof
14:54:03 <glenn> ACTION: sean to issue call for CPs on ISSUE-138, suggesting approach based on combination of style and role
14:54:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Issue call for CPs on ISSUE-138, suggesting approach based on combination of style and role [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-04-19].
14:54:45 <glenn> plh: worried about I18N folks complaining about doing something different
14:55:05 <glenn> sean: worried about introducing specialized markup
14:56:04 <mike> need to drop. until next week...
14:56:08 <Zakim> -mike
14:56:44 <glenn> sean: notes it can be done today in ttml with foreign namespace
14:56:52 <glenn> plh: worried that role sounds like a hack
14:57:16 <glenn> Topic: Adjournment
14:57:21 <glenn> adjourned
14:57:42 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:57:43 <Zakim> -Sean
14:57:44 <Zakim> -Plh
14:57:47 <glenn> plh: regrets for next week
14:57:57 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
14:57:57 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:57:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been glenn, +44.154.558.aaaa, Sean, +1.858.847.aabb, mike, Plh, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:58:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:58:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-minutes.html trackbot
14:58:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:58:06 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-actions.rdf :
14:58:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: plh to investigate why TT WG can't postpone issues [1]
14:58:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-irc#T14-44-55
14:58:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sean to issue call for CPs on ISSUE-138, suggesting approach based on combination of style and role [2]
14:58:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-irc#T14-54-03