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17:01:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TAG
17:01:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM already started
17:01:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:01:20 <trackbot> Date: 12 April 2012
17:02:00 <Zakim> +jar
17:02:12 <Zakim> +??P10
17:02:25 <timbl> I may be interrupted and have to leave 
17:05:00 <Zakim> +Yves
17:05:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ht
17:06:18 <Yves> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/12-agenda
17:06:24 <Yves> Scribe: Yves
17:06:46 <ht> zakim, who is on the call?
17:06:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, timbl_, jar, ht, Yves
17:06:54 <Zakim> +plinss
17:07:58 <Yves> next scribe should be Peter
17:08:33 <Yves> F2F minutes, wednesday minutes were out yesterday, there are still work to do in there (mark in red)
17:08:47 <Yves> tim: I worked on those
17:08:48 <Zakim> +Noah_Mendelsohn
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17:09:04 <Yves> ht: let's postpone until next week
17:09:05 <noah> zakim, who is here?
17:09:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, timbl_, jar, ht, Yves, plinss, Noah_Mendelsohn
17:09:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see noah, Zakim, RRSAgent, NoahDroid, Ashok, jar, Norm, ht, timbl, JeniT, plinss, trackbot, Yves
17:09:13 <noah> zakim, Noah_Mendelsohn is me
17:09:13 <Zakim> +noah; got it
17:09:13 <JeniT> ht, I think you mean Tuesday's minutes
17:09:26 <Yves> so for all, we need you to review tuesday's minutes
17:10:49 <Yves> ht, there is a draft action form Robin (on tuesday), but it didn't make it in the action list
17:11:09 <noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes
17:12:46 <Yves> noah: we should probably assign that issue
17:12:56 <noah> Based on imperfect record in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes assigning
17:13:02 <noah> ACTION: Robin to draft scope and goals for the Patterns/Pitfalls work in local/remote storage synch 
17:13:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-693 - Draft scope and goals for the Patterns/Pitfalls work in local/remote storage synch  [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-04-19].
17:14:00 <Yves> Topic: Administrative items
17:14:10 <Yves> Chair solicits guidance on level of TAG interest in issues like the proposed http+aes URI scheme
17:14:50 <JeniT> +1 to have a brief look
17:15:00 <Yves> timbl: interested to have something presented about it
17:16:22 <noah> ACTION: Noah to work up simple intro to http+aes uri scheme and schedule discussion, possibly with PLH - Due 2012-04-24
17:16:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-694 - work up simple intro to http+aes uri scheme and schedule discussion, possibly with PLH [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2012-04-24].
17:16:51 <Yves> Topic: Close pending Actions without discussion
17:17:08 <Yves> there are 4 issues to be closed, talk now or else we will close them
17:17:41 <noah> Proposal to close in bulk ACTION-627,ACTION-662, ACTION-673, ACTION-674, ACTION-676
17:18:07 <noah> RESOLVED: to close in bulk ACTION-627,ACTION-662, ACTION-673, ACTION-674, ACTION-676
17:18:27 <Yves> close ACTION-627
17:18:27 <trackbot> ACTION-627 Schedule very detailed line-by-line review of Pub&Linking draft at January F2F closed
17:18:35 <Yves> close ACTION-662
17:18:35 <trackbot> ACTION-662 Redraft proposed product page on API Minimization (http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/apiminimization.html) closed
17:18:43 <Yves> close ACTION-673
17:18:45 <trackbot> ACTION-673 Prepare for F2F discussion of httpRange-14 change proposals Due 2012-03-13 closed
17:18:48 <Yves> close ACTION-674
17:18:48 <trackbot> ACTION-674 encourage Chris Lilley to meet with us to discuss 3023bis and semantics of Fragment Identifiers closed
17:18:49 <noah> zakim, who is here?
17:18:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, timbl_, jar, ht, Yves, plinss, noah
17:18:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see noah, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, jar, Norm, ht, timbl, JeniT, plinss, trackbot, Yves
17:18:52 <Yves> close ACTION-676
17:18:52 <trackbot> ACTION-676 Check with Norm whether there is sufficient feedback on HTML/XML to merit F2F discussion closed
17:19:09 <Yves> Topic: ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): Registries
17:19:17 <Yves> Noah: should we wait to have Larry ?
17:19:20 <noah> Looking at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04
17:19:32 <Yves> Jeni: would be far better to have Larry to discuss this
17:19:59 <Yves> jar: there was a deadline soon (like this week)
17:20:23 <Yves> jar: reviewed the diff, I find it weak wrt fragment ids
17:22:18 <Yves> jeni: might be good to wait until next week and have a short call about that
17:22:19 <Yves> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0043.html
17:22:34 <jar> deadline is tomorrow
17:22:37 <jar> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0043.html
17:23:12 <Yves> ht: it's WGLC so we are not entirely too late
17:24:07 <Yves> noah: regarding Jeni's document, there was a 2 days of silence = consent
17:24:39 <noah> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Apr/0003.html
17:26:22 <noah> ACTION-680?
17:26:22 <trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule (soon) TAG telcon review of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 -- due 2012-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:26:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680
17:27:11 <noah> ACTION-680?
17:27:12 <trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Jeni Tennison to lead TAG telcon review (rescheduled) of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:27:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680
17:27:47 <Yves> Topic: Web Applications: Security 
17:27:48 <noah> ACTION-344?
17:27:48 <trackbot> ACTION-344 -- Jonathan Rees to alert TAG chair when CORS and/or UMP goes to LC to trigger security review -- due 2012-03-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:27:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/344
17:28:30 <Yves> jar: the question is "is the security consideration section is accurate"
17:28:32 <Ashok> q+
17:28:40 <noah> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-cors-20120403/#security
17:28:44 <Yves> s/is accurate/accurate?/
17:29:49 <Yves> jar: some suggestion were requested but not sure they made it in the security consideration section. Having an external review would be helpful
17:30:17 <noah> ack next
17:30:52 <Yves> ashok: looked at the webapps wg charter and it looks like they stopped working on UMP.
17:30:59 <Yves> jar: UMP was folded into CORS
17:32:37 <jar> the flag says: Use my ambient credentials, or don't.
17:32:43 <noah> q?
17:32:52 <Yves> if the flag is off, you have UMP
17:34:35 <Yves> noah: do you think we should invite tlr when larry is around (to see if there are plans for ietf review of this document)
17:34:49 <Yves> ht: first instance would be to ask tlr via email
17:35:02 <noah> close ACTION-344
17:35:02 <trackbot> ACTION-344 Alert TAG chair when CORS and/or UMP goes to LC to trigger security review closed
17:35:29 <noah> ACTION: Jonathan to check with Thomas Roessler on whether security review of CORS is coming up in W3C/IETF liaison
17:35:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-695 - Check with Thomas Roessler on whether security review of CORS is coming up in W3C/IETF liaison [on Jonathan Rees - due 2012-04-19].
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17:36:35 <noah> Per HT request on 15 March 2012, I think we should discuss whether we think XML-ER is adopting the right goals and use cases. At F2F if it fits.
17:37:02 <Yves> noah: it seems suboptimal to talk about that without Robin
17:37:36 <Yves> ht: would be good to wait two weeks
17:38:57 <noah> ACTION: Jeni to frame discussion of XML-ER goals and use cases - Due 2012-04-24
17:38:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-696 - frame discussion of XML-ER goals and use cases [on Jeni Tennison - due 2012-04-24].
17:39:22 <noah> ACTION-656?
17:39:22 <trackbot> ACTION-656 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of possibly getting W3C to invest in technologies for liberal XML processing (e.g. XML5) -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:39:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/656
17:39:50 <noah> topic: closing actions
17:39:53 <jar> The question for me is: Are languages for which all strings are valid (nonerroneous) sentences architecturally good or bad?
17:39:58 <noah> ACTION-564?
17:39:58 <trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-04-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:39:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
17:40:15 <noah> ACTION-628?
17:40:15 <trackbot> ACTION-628 -- Henry Thompson to work with Chris Lilley to bring forward prose for 3023bis wrt generic processing of fragment identifiers which addresses the rdf+xml and xhtml+xml issues -- due 2012-04-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:40:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/628
17:40:23 <Yves> Topic: Pending review actions
17:40:26 <noah> close ACTION-628
17:40:26 <trackbot> ACTION-628 Work with Chris Lilley to bring forward prose for 3023bis wrt generic processing of fragment identifiers which addresses the rdf+xml and xhtml+xml issues closed
17:40:30 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:41:04 <noah> Henry to reopen and reschedule ACTION-564
17:41:52 <Yves> Noah: is there a volunteer for chairing and the agenda for next week?
17:43:08 <Yves> chair for next week: ht
17:43:20 <noah> ACTION-680?
17:43:20 <trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Jeni Tennison to lead TAG telcon review (rescheduled) of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:43:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680
17:43:33 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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17:44:16 <noah> topic: Overdue actions
17:44:57 <noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
17:45:04 <noah> ACTION-678?
17:45:04 <trackbot> ACTION-678 -- Robin Berjon to ask Dom if there's something he think would be worth discussing with the TAG -- due 2012-03-22 -- OPEN
17:45:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/678
17:45:10 <noah> close ACTION-678
17:45:10 <trackbot> ACTION-678 Ask Dom if there's something he think would be worth discussing with the TAG closed
17:45:20 <noah> ACTION-659?
17:45:20 <trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN
17:45:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659
17:46:17 <noah> ACTION-659 Due: 2012-07-31
17:46:25 <noah> ACTION-659 - Due 2012-07-31
17:46:32 <noah> ACTION-659?
17:46:32 <trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN
17:46:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659
17:46:49 <noah> ACTION-659 Due: 2012-07-31
17:46:54 <noah> ACTION-659:  Due 2012-07-31
17:46:54 <trackbot> ACTION-659 Track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 notes added
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17:48:09 <noah> ACTION-638
17:48:12 <noah> close ACTION-638
17:48:12 <trackbot> ACTION-638 Help Noah figure out best ways, if at all, for TAG to participate in IETF paris closed
17:48:16 <noah> ACTION-594?
17:48:16 <trackbot> ACTION-594 -- Yves Lafon to with Peter and Henry produce partial revision of fragment id finding -- due 2012-03-13 -- OPEN
17:48:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/594
17:48:25 <noah> close ACTION-594?
17:48:29 <noah> was discussed at F2f
17:48:30 <JeniT> +1 for closing
17:48:41 <noah> ACTION-683?
17:48:41 <trackbot> ACTION-683 -- Yves Lafon to figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG -- due 2012-04-09 -- OPEN
17:48:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683
17:49:56 <noah> ACTION-683 Due 2012-04-24
17:49:56 <trackbot> ACTION-683 Figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG due date now 2012-04-24
17:50:12 <noah> ACTION-679?
17:50:12 <trackbot> ACTION-679 -- Yves Lafon to check how Appcache should fit into Ashok's storage document -- due 2012-04-02 -- OPEN
17:50:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/679
17:50:37 <noah> ACTION-679 Due 2012-04-31
17:50:37 <trackbot> ACTION-679 check how Appcache should fit into Ashok's storage document due date now 2012-04-31
17:51:01 <noah> close ACTION-594
17:51:01 <trackbot> ACTION-594 With Peter and Henry produce partial revision of fragment id finding closed
17:51:15 <noah> ACTION-677?
17:51:15 <trackbot> ACTION-677 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF -- due 2012-03-24 -- OPEN
17:51:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/677
17:52:49 <noah> ACTION-677 Due 2012-04-24
17:52:49 <trackbot> ACTION-677 Contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF due date now 2012-04-24
17:53:07 <noah> ACTION-687?
17:53:07 <trackbot> ACTION-687 -- Noah Mendelsohn to look for opportunities to discuss putting forward something to the AB about the Process and the failed reference from RECs to expired RFCs as a side-effect of scope creep etc. -- due 2012-04-04 -- OPEN
17:53:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/687
17:53:33 <masinter> expired internet drafts
17:53:49 <masinter> RFCs don't expire
17:54:53 <noah> ACTION-687 Due 2012-04-24
17:54:53 <trackbot> ACTION-687 Look for opportunities to discuss putting forward something to the AB about the Process and the failed reference from REC drafts to expired RFCs as a side-effect of scope creep etc. due date now 2012-04-24
17:55:05 <jar> edited action name
17:55:05 <noah> ACTION-677?
17:55:05 <trackbot> ACTION-677 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF -- due 2012-04-24 -- OPEN
17:55:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/677
17:55:14 <noah> ACTION-667?
17:55:14 <trackbot> ACTION-667 -- Noah Mendelsohn to check, when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's time to reinvest in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.html -- due 2012-04-01 -- OPEN
17:55:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/667
17:55:27 <noah> ACTION-667 Due 2012-07-15
17:55:27 <trackbot> ACTION-667 Check, when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's time to reinvest in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.html due date now 2012-07-15
17:55:36 <noah> ACTION-657?
17:55:36 <trackbot> ACTION-657 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule telcon discussion of possible XML/HTML Unification next steps -- due 2012-04-10 -- OPEN
17:55:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/657
17:55:59 <noah> close ACTION-657
17:55:59 <trackbot> ACTION-657 Schedule telcon discussion of possible XML/HTML Unification next steps closed
17:56:16 <noah> ACTION-636 Due 2012-07-15
17:56:16 <trackbot> ACTION-636 Update product page for Mime and the Web due date now 2012-07-15
17:56:27 <noah> ACTION-201?
17:56:27 <trackbot> ACTION-201 -- Jonathan Rees to report on status of AWWSW discussions -- due 2012-03-31 -- OPEN
17:56:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201
17:56:31 <Zakim> +??P15
17:57:02 <masinter> zakim, +??p15 is me
17:57:02 <Zakim> sorry, masinter, I do not recognize a party named '+??p15'
17:57:11 <noah> ACTION-201 Due 2012-05-15
17:57:11 <trackbot> ACTION-201 Report on status of AWWSW discussions due date now 2012-05-15
17:57:20 <noah> ACTION-649
17:57:22 <noah> ACTION-649?
17:57:22 <trackbot> ACTION-649 -- Jeni Tennison to produce a document with examples motivating the technical points in the Copyright/Linking document -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN
17:57:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/649
17:57:26 <ht> [Larry Masinter joins the call]
17:57:42 <noah> JT: I found this hard to do, would like to just close this.
17:57:51 <noah> close ACTION-649
17:57:51 <trackbot> ACTION-649 Produce a document with examples motivating the technical points in the Copyright/Linking document closed
17:59:37 <JeniT> q+
17:59:49 <noah> ack mext
17:59:50 <Yves> Topic: (URNsAndRegistries-50): Registries
18:00:11 <noah> BTW, Larry,  I will send the e-mail after the call today
18:00:11 <Yves> larry: we need to ensure that fragment identifiers are well defined
18:00:43 <Yves> jeni: there should also be a place where top-level schemes could have a hook to define fragments
18:01:20 <masinter> people who register media types should have guidance 
18:02:18 <Yves> jeni: and the +xml/+json/+... schemes as well
18:02:33 <masinter> if we're going to ask them to make a reference to a document we haven't written, we should have a schedule for when we're going to do it
18:03:30 <noah> Our draft note says:
18:03:31 <noah> We believe media type registration authors should be pointed to these recommendations by reference from draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs.
18:03:31 <noah> We would like to coordinate the development of these documents effectively and would appreciate your feedback on how best to accomplish this.
18:04:05 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:05:06 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
18:06:20 <masinter> i'm willing to help, the question is what others on the TAG think about priorities
18:07:03 <masinter> if the rest of the TAG doesn't want to make this a top priority, we oculd just say "they should do something but we can't be ready in time to really write it ourselves", but even then we'd need to review it
18:09:51 <masinter> well, if you look at their document, i'd imagine they'd want something in a similar tone. I'm not sure if it's an internet draft / rfc format 
18:10:19 <Yves> noah: would be better to write it in the form of a TAG document
18:10:43 <Yves> main issue is to have the content right
18:10:48 <masinter> i'd ask appsawg chairs
18:11:05 <masinter> i don't have anything to say about ORS now
18:11:10 <masinter> CORS
18:12:42 <jar> CORS is in webappsec
18:12:50 <jar> Brad Hill
18:13:21 <Yves> larry: I trust form the people in the groups that there is coordination
18:13:24 <Yves> s/form/from/
18:13:31 <masinter> EKR is co-chair of webappsec
18:13:36 <Yves> noah: make sense
18:13:50 <masinter> DANE last call today
18:16:53 <jar> LM is not suggesting security research in isolation, but rather as a test of ideas that we are thinking about elsewhere (such as URI semantics and "ownership")
18:17:10 <masinter> thanks, Jonathan, yes
18:17:20 <masinter> Yves, can you help?
18:17:32 <noah> ACTION: Larry to prepare overview of DANE for TAG consideration - Due 2012-05-15
18:17:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-697 - prepare overview of DANE for TAG consideration [on Larry Masinter - due 2012-05-15].
18:18:42 <Yves> noah: I delegate to ht the right to cancel the meeting for next week
18:18:50 <Zakim> -ht
18:18:51 <Yves> ADJOURNED
18:18:52 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:18:54 <Zakim> -noah
18:18:56 <Zakim> -Yves
18:18:57 <Zakim> -plinss
18:19:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html Yves
18:19:01 <Zakim> -masinter
18:23:23 <timbl> Zakim, who is making noise?
18:23:26 <jar> zakim, who is on the call?
18:23:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeniT, timbl_, jar
18:23:37 <Zakim> timbl, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JeniT (41%)
18:23:52 <Zakim> -JeniT
18:24:11 <Zakim> +??P4
18:24:15 <jar> timbl, http://www.w3.org/wiki/HR14aCompromise  is my compromise proposal.
18:35:35 <Zakim> -??P4
18:43:21 <Zakim> -timbl_
18:43:22 <Zakim> -jar
18:43:22 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
18:43:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Ashok_Malhotra, timbl_, JeniT, jar, ht, Yves, plinss, noah, masinter
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