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15:01:37 <trackbot> Meeting: MultilingualWeb-LT Working Group Teleconference
15:01:37 <trackbot> Date: 12 April 2012
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15:02:02 <DomJones> Meeting: MLW-lT Phone call 12th April 2012, 16.00. IST/BST.
15:02:11 <DomJones> scribe DomJones
15:02:17 <DomJones> scribe: DomJones
15:02:25 <DomJones> chair: daveL
15:06:32 <daveL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Apr/0039.html
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15:06:48 <DomJones> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Apr/0039.html
15:06:58 <DomJones> zakim, who's here?
15:06:58 <Zakim> sorry, DomJones, I don't know what conference this is
15:06:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jirka, Zakim, Yves_, RRSAgent, DomJones, Arle, daveL, trackbot
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15:08:38 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/2012/04/06-mlw-lt-minutes.html
15:08:59 <DomJones> daveL: Any queries or objections re minutes from last meeting
15:09:21 <DomJones> daveL: are minutes useful? Do people go back and revisit them? 
15:09:31 <DomJones> TOPIC: Dublin Workshop
15:10:12 <DomJones> daveL: Arle and I have been generating list of contact points and circulating CFP through mailing lists. LUX and TAUS event in santa clara have been emailed.
15:10:22 <DomJones> ... any suggestions of other mailing lists?
15:10:36 <DomJones> ... @Yves any XLIFF interest?
15:11:00 <DomJones> Yves: has emailed the XLIFF TPC and a wider group interested in XLIFF
15:11:14 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/2012-Q2workshop
15:11:38 <DomJones> daveL: Try to contact specific people - look to workshop plan - put basic skeleton up there. Mailing list for tpc will be used
15:12:12 <DomJones> ... who might we try to approach directly? Number of sessions (loc stateholders, CMS, MT sessions + liasons with other groups)
15:12:37 <DomJones> ... Des is agreeable to join in terms of loc stakeholders. 
15:12:53 <DomJones> Des: Do you need this imminently. 
15:13:16 <DomJones> daveL: No, but could you provide a position statement? Primary concerns, Adobe large content producer. 
15:13:21 <DomJones> Des: Can do. 
15:13:41 <DomJones> daveL: At arle, interoperability now?
15:14:08 <DomJones> Feedback on call. 
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15:14:50 <DomJones> ACTION arle to contact individuals on interoperability now
15:14:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Contact individuals on interoperability now [on Arle Lommel - due 2012-04-19].
15:15:11 <DomJones> Yves: agrees contacts mentioned by arle (missed through feedback) are great
15:15:44 <DomJones> daveL: Should target alchemy s/w based in Dublin, support MLW-LT, from a CAT point of view
15:16:04 <DomJones> ACTION on daveL to contact Alchemy / Enda 
15:16:04 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
15:16:12 <DomJones> ACTION daveL to contact Alchemy / Enda 
15:16:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Contact Alchemy / Enda  [on David Lewis - due 2012-04-19].
15:16:14 <Arle> Contacts for me (Arle) to contact are Micah Bly (Medtronic), Chase Tingley (Spartan Consulting), and Sven Andrä (Onträm)
15:16:47 <DomJones> daveL: @moritz are there other stakeholders from drupal / cms community to invite along
15:16:59 <DomJones> ... open call for Dublin but are there strategic parties?
15:17:37 <DomJones> moritz: in contact with a number of ML people in terms of drupal. They develop modules ontop of drupal
15:17:59 <DomJones> ... they are not being paid by drupal
15:18:23 <DomJones> Yves: We talked about Brian SP? Snabel involved in CMS, good contact point. 
15:19:01 <DomJones> daveL: Would brian be better under CMS heading or under XLIFF? 
15:19:11 <DomJones> Yves: Could probably do both. 
15:19:23 <DomJones> daveL: Yves would you be able to talk to him about that?
15:19:38 <DomJones> Yves: problem is the financial side for getting him here... 
15:19:58 <DomJones> daveL: If we extend the invitation, even if he cannot make it, maybe on the second day we can teleconf him in? 
15:20:22 <DomJones> ... It would be good to get group level agreement on MLW-LT / XLIFF. 
15:20:41 <DomJones> Pedro: I will be back in 5 mins. 
15:21:31 <DomJones> ACTION Yves to contact Brian S on Dublin Workshop / provide official invitation 
15:21:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - Contact Brian S on Dublin Workshop / provide official invitation  [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-04-19].
15:21:57 <DomJones> daveL: Arle has spotted industry conference on in Dublin around same time looking at tech authors. 
15:22:01 <daveL> http://www.uaconference.eu/
15:22:06 <DomJones> arle: focus is on tech authoring for user assistance. 
15:22:30 <DomJones> daveL: can we reach out to those people? Are they practioners or tech side of things?
15:22:52 <DomJones> arle: looks like new tech, localisation, tech users. Might pick up some interest. 
15:23:16 <DomJones> daveL: Mathew Ellison looks like key contact, I will drop him a line and let him know this is going on etc. 
15:23:50 <DomJones> ACTION daveL to contact uaconference make them aware of MLW-LT LOD workshop
15:23:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - Contact uaconference make them aware of MLW-LT LOD workshop [on David Lewis - due 2012-04-19].
15:24:22 <DomJones> daveL: Two other categories - LT and MT side of things. R12a sent out a few ideas on this
15:24:54 <DomJones> ... one was Manuel H from ??MT / PE / CAT tools. 
15:25:03 <DomJones> Des: His company does moses solutions
15:25:23 <DomJones> daveL: Cant remember if Manuel was at other MLW conferences. May drop him a line and see if he is interested. 
15:25:50 <DomJones> ... other contact points are WeLocalise as attendees and presenters. 
15:26:15 <DomJones> ... any other sort of MT or the LT side? 
15:26:28 <DomJones> ACTION arle to contact Helena Chapman at IBM 
15:26:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Contact Helena Chapman at IBM  [on Arle Lommel - due 2012-04-19].
15:26:36 <DomJones> ACTION: arle to contact Helena Chapman at IBM 
15:26:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Contact Helena Chapman at IBM  [on Arle Lommel - due 2012-04-19].
15:27:22 <DomJones> daveL: Chris Went from MS MT group, he gave a talk at a CNGL event. Arle do you know him well?
15:27:27 <DomJones> arle: not well. 
15:27:33 <DomJones> daveL: I will email him
15:27:45 <DomJones> ACTION daveL to email Chris Went at MS 
15:27:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Email Chris Went at MS  [on David Lewis - due 2012-04-19].
15:28:14 <DomJones> daveL: Interesting to talk to others involved in online MT training. ALS in the UK, Tony O'D in Ireland has Startup
15:28:22 <DomJones> ... will talk to Declan Groves about this
15:28:35 <DomJones> arle: Just contacted Sean McCanst (SP)
15:28:54 <DomJones> ACTION daveL to contact Declan Groves wrt MT contacts 
15:28:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Contact Declan Groves wrt MT contacts  [on David Lewis - due 2012-04-19].
15:29:12 <DomJones> arle: can represent lynports 
15:29:16 <Arle> s/Sean McCanst/Shaun McCance/
15:29:27 <Arle> s/lynports/Linport/
15:29:28 <DomJones> daveL: Should we target TAUS? Rahzeb or Japp?
15:29:36 <DomJones> arle: will be speaking to Japp and will ask him
15:30:15 <DomJones> daveL: Also iterations between CMS and W3C, should we target DITA? r12a can suggest key contacts from HTML group
15:30:24 <DomJones> ... rdf-a or provenance wg
15:30:46 <DomJones> ... will be at www conf and keep eye open for other targets
15:31:02 <DomJones> arle: talk to andea zeitman (sp) in DITA
15:31:19 <Arle> s/andea zeitman/Andrzej Zydroń/
15:31:33 <DomJones> daveL: Interesting contact point, worked on OAXML, have some views to share.
15:31:40 <DomJones> Des: CMIS group from OASIS?
15:31:55 <Arle> s/OAXML/OAXAL/
15:32:04 <DomJones> daveL: DavidF was going to reach out via OASIS about this. 
15:32:51 <DomJones> ACTION arle contact last attendees for the LISA summit
15:32:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Contact last attendees for the LISA summit [on Arle Lommel - due 2012-04-19].
15:33:12 <DomJones> TOPIC: Requirements
15:33:34 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Requirements
15:33:44 <DomJones> daveL: 1st item ownership... @arle any update on this?
15:34:11 <DomJones> arle: assigned ownership by going through minutes and req doc. 
15:34:41 <DomJones> ... provisional assignment have stars * by them. If you agree with assignment please remove * from around your name
15:35:33 <DomJones> daveL: we'll try to get people to confirm those names before the next meeting helps us assign responsibilities 
15:36:18 <DomJones> ... next action on this is to start looking at where similarities / differences exist. Are groupings there that could be re-grouped with provenance. 
15:36:42 <DomJones> ... simular markup could be re-used, for example QA / Proofing state. 
15:37:03 <DomJones> ... any of those names / assignments that they would like to change?
15:37:45 <DomJones> daveL: Anyone have any objections?
15:38:00 <DomJones> mortiz: have been sick, will look over this and get back to you
15:38:19 <DomJones> daveL: any orphans will be allocated between Dave L & Arle as being under-watch. 
15:38:42 <DomJones> ... by Monday confirm name allocations (or reject to allocations) 
15:39:02 <DomJones> ... midday monday 16t
15:39:31 <DomJones> daveL: Will repost notes from Jan on priority tagging. 
15:40:08 <DomJones> daveL: next stage involves doing first pass of consolidation, make some suggestions 
15:40:28 <DomJones> ... after this look at any specific requirements made based on feedback from questionnaire. 
15:40:47 <DomJones> ... more things you'd like added, please address this in the wiki page
15:41:05 <DomJones> arle: if you are adding directly please just send this to me and I'll add it for you
15:41:08 <DomJones> pedro is back
15:41:32 <DomJones> daveL: Pedro, wrt Dublin workshop, Manuel H from ?? MT. 
15:42:05 <DomJones> pedro: Yes, have met, know them seem good people to invite. Working on moses - interesting perspective. 
15:42:33 <DomJones> daveL: Pedro, requirements list has names against each entry. Assignments (provisional) have been made. Please check through
15:42:56 <DomJones> ACTION all to check through assignment of requirements document by Monday 16th midday 
15:42:56 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - all
15:43:28 <DomJones> pedro: agrees with the assignment of requirements...  however for ever thing should have 2 people assigned. 
15:43:49 <DomJones> ... removes bias from the process of requirements. 
15:44:15 <DomJones> daveL: Gaps will be filled in by me and arle, then go through consolidation process and then ideas from questionnaires. 
15:44:26 <DomJones> ... need to contact the respondents 
15:44:57 <DomJones> ... next Fridays call will go through questionnaire respondents and see what needs to be incorporated. 
15:44:57 <daveL> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Av8I1YVQlYmsdElxU0g3cXlfaTZZRVpSOFl4UlczcFE&output=html
15:45:11 <DomJones> ... next stage involves fleshing out data-sets/requirements
15:45:35 <DomJones> ... needs a smaller list or a more structured list.
15:46:50 <DomJones> Pedro: @mortiz - hello - do we have enough time on WP3/4 to showcase tool with spanish / german client based tool. For now an agreement with clients for showcases? Invite them to workshop in Dublin? One representative from each test-case
15:47:01 <DomJones> daveL: Thinks its a great idea
15:47:12 <DomJones> Pedro: Should pay for expenses of those people
15:47:50 <DomJones> daveL: Need to figure out our budget on this.. MLW-LT budget exists at TCD and some re-allocatable funds. Maybe people we want to get along who we can help with on money
15:48:04 <DomJones> moritz: Need to identify if money exists rather promptly 
15:48:39 <DomJones> pedro: Need to identify some money from budget for travelling. Cocomore and Lingutech need to talk and decide who proposes showcases and then who should be invited?
15:49:06 <DomJones> ACTION daveL to take an action to look at budget for Workshop in terms of money avaliable 
15:49:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Take an action to look at budget for Workshop in terms of money avaliable  [on David Lewis - due 2012-04-19].
15:49:36 <DomJones> ... we need to look at budget in general. Food, coffee, location etc before money for travelling
15:49:46 <DomJones> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Av8I1YVQlYmsdElxU0g3cXlfaTZZRVpSOFl4UlczcFE&output=html
15:50:14 <DomJones> TOPIC: Arle's google doc on currents req
15:51:07 <DomJones> arle: the colums represent workflow outlined in initial documentation. Additional things need to be added. For each data-category it can be identified as consuming, generating or passes onto another process.  
15:51:49 <DomJones> ... an XLIFF connector would take most of these things and convert into XLIFF. Blank != no role, just ignored by that step. Maybe wrong in some cases, based on documentation and sense, please correct if needed. 
15:52:17 <DomJones> ACTION all go along data-categories and agree, disagree, etc
15:52:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - all
15:52:34 <DomJones> ACTION DomJones how to add actions to all users
15:52:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DomJones
15:52:46 <DomJones> ACTION Dominic how to add actions to all users
15:52:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - How to add actions to all users [on Dominic Jones - due 2012-04-19].
15:53:32 <DomJones> arle: Editing link is public and therefore anyone with link can edit. This link has been sent to partners mailing list
15:54:05 <DomJones> daveL: Please go through each data-category and identify any queries you may have 
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15:54:41 <DomJones> ... have discussed  whether column headings are right set, going through them will raise a bunch of questions 
15:54:56 <DomJones> post to mailing list with any queries
15:55:54 <DomJones> ACTION daveL to send an email to the list asking all members to review req google doc
15:55:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Send an email to the list asking all members to review req google doc [on David Lewis - due 2012-04-19].
15:56:19 <DomJones> daveL: Anyone have any queries on req's at this stage? 
15:56:34 <DomJones> ... by next call all of those inputs will have been gathered. 
15:57:00 <DomJones> ... should we soften wording on freezing document by april? So to not clash with requirements document gathering
15:57:38 <DomJones> arle: don de-palmer (sp) has asked to be more involved in the group. 
15:57:45 <DomJones> daveL: Going to contact him
15:57:52 <DomJones> ... will arrange call with him
15:58:02 <DomJones> pedro: Felix and I had contacted Don
15:58:36 <DomJones> pedro: wrt freezing requirements - long list - all make sense - not out of scope
15:59:03 <Arle> s/de-palmer \(sp\)/DePalma/
15:59:09 <DomJones> daveL: We were planning to have feature freeze in november this year (2012), data-categories, mappings etc 
15:59:44 <DomJones> Noise on line
16:00:16 <DomJones> daveL: want to avoid inviting people to look at requirements who arrive and find the requirements gathering stage is over. 
16:00:46 <DomJones> ... one Felix is back need to send readable version out to w3c community. Consolidate, check for consistency 
16:00:53 <DomJones> ... only a couple more phone calls for this to occur. 
16:01:14 <DomJones> ... for workshop in june people should be there who influence the direction were going 
16:01:38 <DomJones> ... I will remove hard-wired freezing of this date, shut down req gathering after Dublin Workshop
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16:02:30 <DomJones> daveL: Next weeks call - look at req table - individuals against data categories must be aligned in terms of natural groupings. 
16:02:45 <DomJones> ... also multiple views on data categories will be important, as mentioned by pedro
16:02:53 <DomJones> ... natural mapping on WP
16:03:07 <DomJones> daveL: Any other comments on this?
16:03:44 <DomJones> daveL: On the actions - look at closing action between me and Jan. 
16:04:06 <DomJones> ... changing the date of actions - have done action 47, 48 nearly done by monday,
16:04:21 <DomJones> ... on process triggers have you sent anything on this?
16:04:37 <DomJones> Pedro: I have until tomorrow to do this. Will do tonight or tomorrow. 
16:05:35 <DomJones> ... Action 11: I have discussed internally that this req has already been covered. Grouping of docs in CMS for common actions, or different actions. 
16:06:21 <DomJones> ... Action 11 - have sent email on this, not sure of any reference for an action realting to grouping CMS
16:06:54 <DomJones> daveL: Action 28 - summerise issues around data cats at CMS level - grouping documents. 
16:07:13 <DomJones> Pedro: suggest we close this 
16:07:29 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/CMS-level_data_category_scoping
16:07:35 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/CMS-level_data_category_scoping
16:08:41 <DomJones> daveL: The above link talks about grouping of CMS level content. I have reference CMIS work on this and meta-data association with a folder referencing multiple documents. 
16:08:47 <DomJones> ... can also be done with ITS rules. 
16:08:57 <DomJones> ... Can moritz look at this also
16:09:02 <DomJones> arle: moritz has left
16:09:41 <DomJones> daveL: AOB? Open issues have not been discussed, process state is represented in table. 
16:10:14 <DomJones> ... Naming of MD standard - should send out a few mails on this, loc and internationalisation name? Will send a mail about this
16:10:33 <DomJones> ACTION daveL to start discussion about the naming of the meta-data standard. 
16:10:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Start discussion about the naming of the meta-data standard.  [on David Lewis - due 2012-04-19].
16:10:53 <DomJones> pedro: Call the recommendation MLW?
16:11:00 <DomJones> daveL: MLW-LT or MLW?
16:11:23 <DomJones> ... MLW is a broader scope. Some people wanted to keep ITS, we also have default name... 
16:11:31 <DomJones> Pedro: Originial idea was for ITS 2.0
16:11:49 <DomJones> daveL: will kick-off competition for a good name on this
16:11:55 <DomJones> daveL: In closing AOB?
16:12:33 <DomJones> daveL: Thanks to all, next week Friday. I will chair again. 9.30am IST/BST talk then. 
16:12:43 <DomJones> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:12:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-mlw-lt-minutes.html DomJones
16:13:05 <DomJones> zakim, bye
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16:17:51 <DomJones> rrsagent, bye
16:17:51 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-mlw-lt-actions.rdf :
16:17:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: arle to contact Helena Chapman at IBM  [1]
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