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15:03:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:03:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:03:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 63 minutes ago
15:03:04 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:03:04 <trackbot> Date: 12 April 2012
15:03:13 <MikeSmith> chair: Mike
15:03:34 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
15:03:34 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, Judy
15:03:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Judy, David, paulc, davidb, [tm], MikeSmith, MichaelC, trackbot
15:03:37 <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Apr/0089.html
15:03:45 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:03:45 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:04:06 <MikeSmith> argh
15:04:15 <MikeSmith> Zakim being slow
15:04:51 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:04:51 <Zakim> MichaelC, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move 2119 to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
15:04:54 <Judy> Scribe: Janina
15:05:07 <MichaelC> zakim, list conferences
15:05:08 <Zakim> I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM, Team_(hcls)14:28Z, UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, SW_(PROV)11:00AM active
15:05:08 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Styl_XSL-FO-()11:00AM, XML_QueryWG(XSLT)11:00AM, SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM, T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM, Team_Comm()10:30AM, I18N_WG(MLW)11:00AM, I18N_MLW
15:05:08 <Zakim> ... WG()11:00AM, WF_TF()9:00AM, VB_VBWG(CCXML)11:00AM
15:05:19 <MichaelC> zakim, move 2119 to here
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15:05:21 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:05:35 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Judy, [Microsoft], David_MacDonald, ??P26, John_Foliot, Cooper
15:05:41 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:05:41 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:05:43 <Zakim> +Mike
15:05:45 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:05:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Judy, [Microsoft], David_MacDonald, ??P26, John_Foliot, Mike (muted), Cooper
15:05:45 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P26 is Janina_Sajka
15:05:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, Judy, David, paulc, davidb, [tm], MikeSmith, MichaelC, trackbot
15:05:47 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:06:13 <janina> scribe: janina
15:06:25 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Paul_Cotton
15:06:25 <Zakim> +Paul_Cotton; got it
15:08:13 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's being noisy?
15:08:13 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, MikeSmith.
15:09:19 <paulc> beeping stopped when I went on manual mute on my end.
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15:10:51 <paulc> Nothing to add on my part.
15:11:38 <janina> janina: Janina explains that PF is still working on finalization of the language regarding ARIA-Hidden in our User Agent Implementation Guide
15:12:03 <janina> janina: We've agreed on language, but as of yesterday, it had not yet been checked into our doc
15:12:19 <janina> janina: Cynthia is charged from PF to work with me on a CP for Issue-204
15:12:43 <MikeSmith> q?
15:12:44 <janina> judy: Points out that people continue to look for other approaches while Issue-30 remains unresolved
15:12:56 <janina> judy: This is why reviewing this timeline is important
15:13:24 <janina> janina: Yes, When we finish on Issue-204, and that means CP by 18 April, Issue-30 is next
15:14:11 <janina> zakim, next item
15:14:11 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:14:53 <janina> topic: text alternatives, lang in spec and also alts on images in spec
15:15:11 <janina> mike: Main point here is to ask people to look and bring up any issues
15:15:13 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/the-img-element.html#alt
15:15:50 <janina> judy: One issue is whether this section should even be in the spec
15:15:57 <janina> s/judy/mike/
15:16:40 <Judy> q+
15:16:41 <janina> mike: However, if it remains, we want not to conflict with WAI-WCAG guidance, and with WCAG techniques
15:17:04 <janina> mike: So, please look at this section and provide comment
15:17:11 <MikeSmith> q?
15:17:15 <MikeSmith> ack janina 
15:17:21 <MikeSmith> ack Judy 
15:17:54 <janina> judy: Suggest doing subteam reports first might help with today's agenda, as there's subteam work on this topic
15:18:04 <janina> mike: OK, let's do that ...
15:18:14 <janina> topic: Text Subteam
15:18:25 <Judy> http://www.w3.org/2012/04/10-text-minutes.html
15:19:49 <janina> judy: Noting Text Subteam meeting and also recent series of coordination meetings with two WG Chairs, Janina and myself
15:19:56 <janina> judy: Coordinations have been helpful
15:20:26 <janina> judy: Discussions have included alt bug issues
15:20:50 <janina> judy: Also, Janina and Leif are working to identify any additional potential problems
15:21:10 <janina> judy: Anyone who can help, please coordinate with Janina and Leif
15:21:44 <janina> judy: We hope to be complete with that review in the Text Subteam by next Tuesday
15:22:04 <janina> judy: Secondly, we are reviewing the alt on images in the HTML spec to see whether there are issues there
15:22:22 <janina> judy: Any help on that please coordinate with David McDonald
15:22:41 <janina> judy: Also, we discussed I-204, have already had report here ...
15:23:48 <MikeSmith> q?
15:24:23 <janina> judy: I-203 -- which has a longdesc dependency -- to be more specific
15:26:32 <JF> +Q
15:26:49 <janina> mike: OK, other subteam reports?
15:27:43 <Judy> q+
15:27:48 <janina> jf: Want to note that we want to call the Media Subteam back into a few meetings to clear some issues that have emerged and remain unresolved
15:27:54 <MikeSmith> ack JF 
15:27:55 <JF> ack jf
15:27:58 <MikeSmith> ack Judy 
15:28:42 <janina> judy: I believe there are some pending edits for already resolved matters ...
15:28:52 <janina> judy: So may not need reconvene of Media?
15:28:54 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-188
15:29:33 <MikeSmith> q?
15:31:09 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-203
15:31:25 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-194
15:32:26 <janina> janina: Noting that I-194, I-203 still unresolved and TF may have a preference
15:33:02 <janina> janina: Also that there's disagreement and perhaps misunderstanding on I-203 -- whether a longder description is needed on video and whether a trnascript does, or does not fill that need
15:33:18 <janina> janina: also the need to prove our theory of multi-level navigation
15:33:25 <janina> jf: Agree
15:33:34 <janina> judy: OK, with that clarification I support this
15:34:49 <janina> jf: Noting that while conversation is still ongoing, the possibility of consensus on approaches is worthy of pursuit
15:35:20 <janina> mike: Also Canvas issues ...
15:35:27 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-131
15:35:29 <janina> mike: Rich is not here today
15:35:50 <janina> mike: We still have I-131, and I-201 ...
15:36:10 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201
15:37:32 <Judy> q+
15:38:49 <MikeSmith> ack Judy 
15:38:58 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-205
15:40:34 <janina> janina: I had a top-of-my-head suggestion during last week's WG telecon to extend deadline on I-201 inasmuch as canvas is to be discussed during upcoming f2f
15:40:47 <janina> mike: Do we want to resolve for an extension?
15:41:01 <janina> judy: Makes sense given that people have agreed to work on that
15:41:16 <janina> mike: Let's bring that to the WG then
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15:42:08 <MikeSmith> q?
15:43:08 <janina> judy: Noting three issues relating to canvas, I131, I201, and I205 maybe should extend until post F2F?
15:43:36 <janina> paul: We believe 131 is locked by 205, we think with minor changes ready for survey
15:43:48 <janina> paul: current opinion of two of the chairs
15:44:10 <JF> s/is locked by 20/is blocked by 20
15:45:55 <janina> paul: I expect to begin work on a survey for 205 and 131
15:46:13 <janina> paul: Don't believe 131 and 205 need to be on F2F, unless there's something people want to discuss
15:46:32 <janina> mike: So perhaps only an extension on 201?
15:47:40 <janina> paul: Perhaps only the request of chairs to not take action on 201 until after the F2F?
15:48:22 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0686.html
15:49:32 <janina> paul: Notes that Counter Proposals on 201 were due last night midnight Boston time
15:49:46 <janina> paul: Notes a CP from Ted is here
15:49:49 <paulc> On time counter proposal from Ted: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Eoconnor/ISSUE-201
15:50:36 <janina> paul: So the request is that the chairs not move these forward until after the F2F?
15:50:39 <janina> judy: yes
15:50:45 <janina> paul: I'll follow up on that
15:52:54 <janina> ike: I do think we should get this recorded on the WG call
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15:54:45 <paulc> dropping off to prep for the WG call
15:55:35 <janina> mike: Anything else today?
15:55:38 <janina> [silence]
15:55:42 <Zakim> -Paul_Cotton
15:55:44 <janina> mike: A scribe for next week?
15:56:29 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Scribe_List
15:56:56 <janina> michael: Steve would be top of list if he's here ...
15:57:29 <janina> michael: Rich, Cynthia, David, John, in order ...
15:58:07 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:58:09 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:58:11 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:58:11 <Zakim> -Mike
15:58:11 <janina> zakim, bye
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15:58:12 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Judy, David_MacDonald, John_Foliot, Mike, Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Paul_Cotton
15:58:18 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
15:58:41 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
15:58:45 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
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