IRC log of webtv on 2012-04-05
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-webtv-irc
- 15:04:32 [Zakim]
- +??P63
- 15:04:34 [Zakim]
- +Jan; got it
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- +David; got it
- 15:04:49 [kaz]
- zakim, code?
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- 15:05:03 [Clarke]
- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_5th_April_2012
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- sorry, kaz, I do not recognize a party named 'Cesile_Marc'
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- kaz, you need to end that query with '?'
- 15:05:43 [JanL]
- clarke states we will review what was not complete last week, open bugs and open issues in bugzilla
- 15:05:46 [bryan]
- present+ Bryan_Sullivan
- 15:05:52 [JanL]
- if there is time discuss what the group wants to do
- 15:05:54 [David_Corvoysier]
- zakim, Cecile_Marc is David_Corvoysier
- 15:05:55 [JanL]
- going forward
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- from last week what is left to do
- 15:06:25 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 93288 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz
- 15:06:32 [JanL]
- is to put the requirements into a real draft
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- still open
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- clarke to contact david singer to check if adaptive streaming is disadvantaged
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- need some more time to give david more time to respond
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- +David_Corvoysier; got it
- 15:07:37 [SungOk_You]
- present+ SungOk_You
- 15:08:01 [mark]
- Zakim, aaee is Mark Watson
- 15:08:12 [JanL]
- next item is discussion over requirment 10
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- error reporting
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- +??P25
- 15:08:28 [JanL]
- additional errors to feed back
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- ads and splicing
- 15:08:41 [nisc]
- zakim, nisc is Niklas Schmücker
- 15:08:46 [JanL]
- using another video element
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- need for a use case to handle position timeframe
- 15:09:20 [Zakim]
- + +1.858.735.aagg
- 15:09:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'aaee is Mark Watson', mark
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- +Dave_Mays
- 15:09:55 [kaz]
- zakim, aaee is Mark_Watson
- 15:09:58 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'nisc is Niklas Schmücker', nisc
- 15:09:58 [KevinStreeter]
- It should be possible to seamlessly splice content with a discontinuous timeline (such as advertising) into the presentation [this requirement may conflict with (2)?]
- 15:10:08 [Zakim]
- + +1.360.367.aahh
- 15:10:22 [kaz]
- zakim, nisc is Niklas_Schmücker
- 15:10:27 [JanL]
- this req may conflict with req 2
- 15:10:39 [JanL]
- continous timeline is required
- 15:10:51 [JanL]
- lets have some more discussion
- 15:10:54 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 15:10:58 [Zakim]
- +Mark_Watson; got it
- 15:10:59 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:10:59 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 15:11:15 [Zakim]
- +Niklas_Schmücker; got it
- 15:11:25 [JanL]
- need a common time reference
- 15:12:30 [JanL]
- erin pointed out that use cases that are overlapping should be considered and timeshift
- 15:12:42 [JanL]
- need to be considered to properly support the use case
- 15:12:59 [JanL]
- need to keep a buffer to handle trickplay
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- need a master timeline to insert ads into
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- possibly need to adjust or map to the master timeline
- 15:14:46 [kaz]
- s/erin/Aaron/
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- 15:16:05 [JanL]
- may need to expose a timestamp offsetting to the API
- 15:16:23 [JanL]
- 2 is indep requirement
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- it is fully addressed by the proposal
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- 11 is an additional requirement
- 15:18:07 [JanL]
- any thing else on the avr requirements?
- 15:18:26 [kaz]
- s/avr/abr/
- 15:18:55 [JanL]
- between here and next week clarke to add clarification before sending req to html5
- 15:19:05 [JanL]
- next subject is bugs
- 15:19:13 [kaz]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF#Bugs Bugs section
- 15:19:41 [kaz]
- i/clarke states/topic: ABR proposal/
- 15:19:55 [kaz]
- i/next subject is/topic: Bugs/
- 15:19:57 [JanL]
- profile group has decided to use bugzilla to handle issues raised to the task force
- 15:20:09 [JanL]
- bug 13625
- 15:20:18 [kaz]
- Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconference
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- Chair: Clarke
- 15:20:31 [JanL]
- In process. Hixie needs to read provided materials.
- 15:20:34 [Zakim]
- +Canon
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- bug 12399
- 15:20:53 [JanL]
- In process. Should this be generalized beyond video? Maybe start with video and consider a broader scope in any solution.
- 15:21:47 [JanL]
- bug 13359
- 15:22:01 [JanL]
- In process. Discussions on parameters and whether changes are necessary. "Must be human readable" requirement.
- 15:22:22 [JanL]
- bugs 13357 and 14492 have not been address since filed
- 15:22:28 [JanL]
- 2 new bugs
- 15:23:01 [JanL]
- david: bugs came from discussions in profiling TF
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- bug 16479
- 15:23:30 [giuseppe]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16479
- 15:23:31 [David_Corvoysier]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16479
- 15:24:19 [JanL]
- bug relates not being able to piping multiple streams
- 15:24:21 [joesteele]
- +q
- 15:24:36 [JanL]
- nothing is stated as to how resources are freed
- 15:25:03 [joesteele]
- q-
- 15:25:06 [JanL]
- what webkit does the resource are not released when video tag is unloaded
- 15:25:23 [JanL]
- only when garbage collection actually removes the resources
- 15:26:03 [JanL]
- joe points that decryption resources are not released
- 15:26:26 [JanL]
- david: video decoder has been the main issue
- 15:27:02 [JanL]
- aeren: what is issue, if opening multiple videos
- 15:27:23 [Zakim]
- - +1.425.269.aabb
- 15:27:37 [JanL]
- some content depending on decryption may require hardware
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- which is locked
- 15:28:37 [JanL]
- there are 2 errors, if there are policy concerns and there should be a warning if software is going to be used as fallback
- 15:29:41 [JanL]
- many audio tracks may be opened at the same time in order to give special effects which may confuse what should be handled
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- 15:30:28 [JanL]
- david: when listening audio may be persisted
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- when should resources be released
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- javascript may remove tag from dom and reinsert it
- 15:31:21 [JanL]
- same media element may be used when transferring it
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- david: may some use cases are required
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- gius: add the use cases into the bug
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- next bug
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16480
- 15:33:06 [JanL]
- when needing to have broadcast channel where there is a mosaic of the channels
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- may want an interface to select one of the channels
- 15:34:50 [JanL]
- need to draw borders in order to select channel or everything is done in javascript
- 15:35:24 [JanL]
- map element would be a much easier solution to be used but it is not available for the video element
- 15:35:29 [JanL]
- only images
- 15:37:43 [bryan]
- is there anyway to use SVG as an scalable overlay frame, and trigger events from it?
- 15:37:50 [JanL]
- for each of the elements need to put the source to handle the multiple stream types
- 15:37:59 [bryan]
- just a random idea
- 15:38:00 [JanL]
- wiht map you can associated anchors
- 15:39:13 [Clarke]
- q?
- 15:39:14 [JanL]
- gius: investigate if there are better solutions
- 15:41:06 [JanL]
- bryan: there might be markup language like svg that can help in providing a solution
- 15:41:33 [JanL]
- giuseppe to explain how bugzilla to be used
- 15:41:49 [JanL]
- bugzilla to be used to collect issues
- 15:42:08 [JanL]
- and it is a better way to monitor questions and share with other groups
- 15:42:27 [JanL]
- it is a prefilter of the raised issues
- 15:42:49 [JanL]
- if agreed then it is pushed into the different WG's
- 15:42:58 [JanL]
- there is a template for filling out issues
- 15:43:05 [JanL]
- it is in the main wiki webpage
- 15:43:12 [giuseppe]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page#Template_for_Use_Cases
- 15:43:34 [JanL]
- use template to describe use case
- 15:44:17 [JanL]
- clarke: what could be useful to add the template to the mptf as a reference
- 15:44:48 [JanL]
- ... once the discussion is started it is necessary to highlight to clarke to be discussed
- 15:45:13 [JanL]
- ... person who filed bug has responsibility to highlight it
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- ... general discussion
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- ...in next couple of week finishup the requirements documents
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- ...use time every week to discuss opened bugs
- 15:46:33 [JanL]
- ... soon to limit the number of phone conferences
- 15:47:01 [JanL]
- ... if any suggestions forward them to clarke as to how to progress
- 15:47:17 [JanL]
- move to phone conf every 2 weeks
- 15:47:42 [JanL]
- adhock would make it harder to plan attending
- 15:48:11 [bryan]
- I like the building of the agenda on the wiki. It's easy to keep up as the topics for discussion are collected.
- 15:48:22 [JanL]
- clarke: plan to continue phn conf every week until req done
- 15:48:36 [kaz]
- s/phn/phone/
- 15:48:48 [JanL]
- joe to be scribe next week
- 15:48:50 [bryan]
- That approach can help make the calls more adhoc but keep people engaged on the agenda as it builds.
- 15:49:38 [JanL]
- could use wiki agenda to identify critical mass of issues to be discussed
- 15:49:49 [Zakim]
- - +1.360.367.aahh
- 15:49:54 [kaz]
- Present: Kazuyuki_Ashimura, Giuseppe_Pascale, Clarke_Stevens, John_Simmons, Niklas_Schmücker, Bryan_Sullivan, Glenn_Adams, Joe_Steele, Aaron_Colwell, David_Corvoysier, Mark_Watson, Jan_Lindquist, Dave_Mays, Russell_Berkoff, Franck_Denoual, Paul_Gausman, Jason_Lewis, Kevin_Streeter, David_Mays, Juhani_Huttunen, SungOk_You, +1.425.269.aabb, ??P63, ??P25, +1.858.735.aagg, +1.360.367.aahh
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- -David
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- -Dave_Mays
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- -joesteele
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- -Clarke.a
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- -??P25
- 15:50:01 [Zakim]
- - +1.858.735.aagg
- 15:50:05 [Zakim]
- -Canon
- 15:50:07 [Zakim]
- -Jan_Lindquist
- 15:50:09 [Zakim]
- -David_Corvoysier
- 15:50:10 [giuseppe]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:50:10 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-webtv-minutes.html giuseppe
- 15:50:11 [Zakim]
- -??P63
- 15:50:13 [kaz]
- [ adjourned ]
- 15:50:13 [Zakim]
- -Aaron
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- -Kazuyuki
- 15:50:17 [Zakim]
- -Jan
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- -Mark_Watson
- 15:50:20 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:50:20 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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- -giuseppe
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- -glenn
- 15:54:19 [kaz]
- yep
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- 16:05:00 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, Niklas_Schmücker, in UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM
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- UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Kazuyuki, giuseppe, +1.425.214.aaaa, +1.425.269.aabb, glenn, +1.408.536.aacc, joesteele, +1.206.218.aadd, Aaron, +1.415.867.aaee, +1.408.475.aaff, Jan_Lindquist,
- 16:05:05 [Zakim]
- ... Jan, David, David_Corvoysier, +1.858.735.aagg, Dave_Mays, +1.360.367.aahh, Mark_Watson, Niklas_Schmücker, Canon
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