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15:04:32 <Zakim> +??P63
15:04:34 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
15:04:47 <Zakim> +David; got it
15:04:49 <kaz> zakim, code?
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15:05:03 <Clarke> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_5th_April_2012
15:05:19 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I do not recognize a party named 'Cesile_Marc'
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15:05:35 <Zakim> kaz, you need to end that query with '?'
15:05:43 <JanL> clarke states we will review what was not complete last week, open bugs and open issues in bugzilla
15:05:46 <bryan> present+ Bryan_Sullivan
15:05:52 <JanL> if there is time discuss what the group wants to do
15:05:54 <David_Corvoysier> zakim, Cecile_Marc is David_Corvoysier
15:05:55 <JanL> going forward
15:06:17 <JanL> from last week what is left to do
15:06:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 93288 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz
15:06:32 <JanL> is to put the requirements into a real draft
15:06:40 <JanL> still open 
15:07:20 <JanL> clarke to contact david singer to check if adaptive streaming is disadvantaged
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15:07:35 <JanL> need some more time to give david more time to respond
15:07:37 <Zakim> +David_Corvoysier; got it
15:07:37 <SungOk_You> present+ SungOk_You
15:08:01 <mark> Zakim, aaee is Mark Watson
15:08:12 <JanL> next item is discussion over requirment 10
15:08:17 <JanL> error reporting
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15:08:25 <Zakim> +??P25
15:08:28 <JanL> additional errors to feed back
15:08:38 <JanL> ads and splicing
15:08:41 <nisc> zakim, nisc is Niklas Schmücker
15:08:46 <JanL> using another video element
15:08:59 <JanL> need for a use case to handle position timeframe
15:09:20 <Zakim> + +1.858.735.aagg
15:09:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaee is Mark Watson', mark
15:09:46 <Zakim> +Dave_Mays
15:09:55 <kaz> zakim, aaee is Mark_Watson
15:09:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'nisc is Niklas Schmücker', nisc
15:09:58 <KevinStreeter> It should be possible to seamlessly splice content with a discontinuous timeline (such as advertising) into the presentation [this requirement may conflict with (2)?]
15:10:08 <Zakim> + +1.360.367.aahh
15:10:22 <kaz> zakim, nisc is Niklas_Schmücker
15:10:27 <JanL> this req may conflict with req 2
15:10:39 <JanL> continous timeline is required
15:10:51 <JanL> lets have some more discussion
15:10:54 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:10:58 <Zakim> +Mark_Watson; got it
15:10:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:10:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:11:15 <Zakim> +Niklas_Schmücker; got it
15:11:25 <JanL> need a common time reference
15:12:30 <JanL> erin pointed out that use cases that are overlapping should be considered and timeshift
15:12:42 <JanL> need to be considered to properly support the use case
15:12:59 <JanL> need to keep a buffer to handle trickplay
15:13:28 <JanL> need a master timeline to insert ads into
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15:14:21 <JanL> possibly need to adjust or map to the master timeline
15:14:46 <kaz> s/erin/Aaron/
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15:16:05 <JanL> may need to expose a timestamp offsetting to the API
15:16:23 <JanL> 2 is indep requirement
15:16:37 <JanL> it is fully addressed by the proposal
15:16:47 <JanL> 11 is an additional requirement
15:18:07 <JanL> any thing else on the avr requirements?
15:18:26 <kaz> s/avr/abr/
15:18:55 <JanL> between here and next week clarke to add clarification before sending req to html5
15:19:05 <JanL> next subject is bugs
15:19:13 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF#Bugs Bugs section
15:19:41 <kaz> i/clarke states/topic: ABR proposal/
15:19:55 <kaz> i/next subject is/topic: Bugs/
15:19:57 <JanL> profile group has decided to use bugzilla to handle issues raised to the task force
15:20:09 <JanL> bug 13625
15:20:18 <kaz> Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconference
15:20:23 <kaz> Chair: Clarke
15:20:31 <JanL> In process. Hixie needs to read provided materials.
15:20:34 <Zakim> +Canon
15:20:39 <JanL> bug 12399
15:20:53 <JanL> In process. Should this be generalized beyond video? Maybe start with video and consider a broader scope in any solution.
15:21:47 <JanL> bug 13359
15:22:01 <JanL> In process. Discussions on parameters and whether changes are necessary. "Must be human readable" requirement.
15:22:22 <JanL> bugs 13357 and 14492 have not been address since filed
15:22:28 <JanL> 2 new bugs
15:23:01 <JanL> david: bugs came from discussions in profiling TF
15:23:19 <JanL> bug 16479
15:23:30 <giuseppe> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16479
15:23:31 <David_Corvoysier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16479
15:24:19 <JanL> bug relates not being able to piping multiple streams
15:24:21 <joesteele> +q
15:24:36 <JanL> nothing is stated as to how resources are freed
15:25:03 <joesteele> q-
15:25:06 <JanL> what webkit does the resource are not released when video tag is unloaded
15:25:23 <JanL> only when garbage collection actually removes the resources
15:26:03 <JanL> joe points that decryption resources are not released
15:26:26 <JanL> david: video decoder has been the main issue
15:27:02 <JanL> aeren: what is issue, if opening multiple videos
15:27:23 <Zakim> - +1.425.269.aabb
15:27:37 <JanL> some content depending on decryption may require hardware
15:27:57 <JanL> which is locked
15:28:37 <JanL> there are 2 errors, if there are policy concerns and there should be a warning if software is going to be used as fallback
15:29:41 <JanL> many audio tracks may be opened at the same time in order to give special effects which may confuse what should be handled
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15:30:28 <JanL> david: when listening audio may be persisted
15:30:46 <JanL> when should resources be released
15:31:00 <JanL> javascript may remove tag from dom and reinsert it
15:31:21 <JanL> same media element may be used when transferring it
15:31:39 <JanL> david: may some use cases are required
15:32:19 <JanL> gius: add the use cases into the bug
15:32:24 <JanL> next bug
15:32:35 <JanL> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16480
15:33:06 <JanL> when needing to have broadcast channel where there is a mosaic of the channels
15:33:25 <JanL> may want an interface to select one of the channels
15:34:50 <JanL> need to draw borders in order to select channel or everything is done in javascript
15:35:24 <JanL> map element would be a much easier solution to be used but it is not available for the video element
15:35:29 <JanL> only images
15:37:43 <bryan> is there anyway to use SVG as an scalable overlay frame, and trigger events from it?
15:37:50 <JanL> for each of the elements need to put the source to handle the multiple stream types
15:37:59 <bryan> just a random idea
15:38:00 <JanL> wiht map you can associated anchors
15:39:13 <Clarke> q?
15:39:14 <JanL> gius: investigate if there are better solutions
15:41:06 <JanL> bryan: there might be markup language like svg that can help in providing a solution
15:41:33 <JanL> giuseppe to explain how bugzilla to be used
15:41:49 <JanL> bugzilla to be used to collect issues
15:42:08 <JanL> and it is a better way to monitor questions and share with other groups
15:42:27 <JanL> it is a prefilter of the raised issues
15:42:49 <JanL> if agreed then it is pushed into the different WG's
15:42:58 <JanL> there is a template for filling out issues
15:43:05 <JanL> it is in the main wiki webpage
15:43:12 <giuseppe> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page#Template_for_Use_Cases
15:43:34 <JanL> use template to describe use case
15:44:17 <JanL> clarke: what could be useful to add the template to the mptf as a reference
15:44:48 <JanL> ... once the discussion is started it is necessary to highlight to clarke to be discussed
15:45:13 <JanL> ... person who filed bug has responsibility to highlight it
15:45:41 <JanL> ... general discussion
15:46:01 <JanL> ...in next couple of week finishup the requirements documents
15:46:20 <JanL> ...use time every week to discuss opened bugs
15:46:33 <JanL> ... soon to limit the number of phone conferences
15:47:01 <JanL> ... if any suggestions forward them to clarke as to how to progress
15:47:17 <JanL> move to phone conf every 2 weeks
15:47:42 <JanL> adhock would make it harder to plan attending
15:48:11 <bryan> I like the building of the agenda on the wiki. It's easy to keep up as the topics for discussion are collected.
15:48:22 <JanL> clarke: plan to continue phn conf every week until req done
15:48:36 <kaz> s/phn/phone/
15:48:48 <JanL> joe to be scribe next week
15:48:50 <bryan> That approach can help make the calls more adhoc but keep people engaged on the agenda as it builds.
15:49:38 <JanL> could use wiki agenda to identify critical mass of issues to be discussed
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15:49:54 <kaz> Present: Kazuyuki_Ashimura, Giuseppe_Pascale, Clarke_Stevens, John_Simmons, Niklas_Schmücker, Bryan_Sullivan, Glenn_Adams, Joe_Steele, Aaron_Colwell, David_Corvoysier, Mark_Watson, Jan_Lindquist, Dave_Mays, Russell_Berkoff, Franck_Denoual, Paul_Gausman, Jason_Lewis, Kevin_Streeter, David_Mays, Juhani_Huttunen, SungOk_You, +1.425.269.aabb, ??P63, ??P25, +1.858.735.aagg, +1.360.367.aahh
15:49:56 <Zakim> -David
15:49:58 <Zakim> -Dave_Mays
15:49:59 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:50:00 <Zakim> -Clarke.a
15:50:01 <Zakim> -??P25
15:50:01 <Zakim> - +1.858.735.aagg
15:50:05 <Zakim> -Canon
15:50:07 <Zakim> -Jan_Lindquist
15:50:09 <Zakim> -David_Corvoysier
15:50:10 <giuseppe> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:50:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-webtv-minutes.html giuseppe
15:50:11 <Zakim> -??P63
15:50:13 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
15:50:13 <Zakim> -Aaron
15:50:15 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
15:50:17 <Zakim> -Jan
15:50:19 <Zakim> -Mark_Watson
15:50:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:50:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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15:54:19 <kaz> yep
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16:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, giuseppe, +1.425.214.aaaa, +1.425.269.aabb, glenn, +1.408.536.aacc, joesteele, +1.206.218.aadd, Aaron, +1.415.867.aaee, +1.408.475.aaff, Jan_Lindquist,
16:05:05 <Zakim> ... Jan, David, David_Corvoysier, +1.858.735.aagg, Dave_Mays, +1.360.367.aahh, Mark_Watson, Niklas_Schmücker, Canon
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