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14:04:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:04:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:04:25 <trackbot> Date: 05 April 2012
14:04:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see Vide_TTML()10:00AM already started
14:06:00 <Zakim> +??P57
14:06:11 <glenn> zakim, who's here?
14:06:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +1.858.847.aaaa, +44.154.558.aabb, +1.301.738.aacc, ??P57
14:06:58 <glenn> zakim, ??p57 is glenn
14:07:14 <glenn> zakim, aaaa is mike
14:07:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Sean, mike, glenn, awk, cpc-jasonlivingst, trackbot
14:07:22 <glenn> zakim, aabb is sean
14:07:36 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
14:07:51 <Zakim> +mike; got it
14:08:00 <Zakim> +sean; got it
14:08:38 <glenn> scribenick: glenn
14:08:44 <glenn> chair: sean
14:09:31 <glenn> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Apr/0002.html
14:11:34 <glenn> sean: introduces new member, jason, from cpc
14:11:51 <glenn> ... asks for others to introduce themselves also
14:12:10 <glenn> topic: new issues
14:12:13 <glenn> ISSUE-166?
14:12:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- authoritative schemaLocation for authoritative schemas like TTML -- open
14:12:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/166
14:12:35 <glenn> sean: need to post a schema online for tool access
14:12:54 <glenn> glenn: should be able to do so, but may want to combine modules into single resource
14:13:02 <glenn> mike: do tools need one resource?
14:13:08 <glenn> glenn: maybe not
14:13:39 <glenn> action glenn to work with plh to create accessible schema
14:13:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Work with plh to create accessible schema [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-04-12].
14:13:57 <glenn> mike: single file is desirable
14:14:21 <glenn> topic: open actions
14:14:33 <glenn> ACTION-41?
14:14:33 <trackbot> ACTION-41 -- Sean Hayes to aCTION: Sean to start the Note on how to use TTML with HTML5/CSS [recorded in ]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-ttml-minutes.html#action03] -- due 2012-04-01 -- OPEN
14:14:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/41
14:14:46 <glenn> sean: wip
14:14:52 <glenn> ACTION-44?
14:14:52 <trackbot> ACTION-44 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to put in place a new errata and ask plh to set up the redirect to it -- due 2012-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:14:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/44
14:15:00 <glenn> sean: wipo
14:15:05 <glenn> s/wipo/wip/
14:15:22 <glenn> ACTION-51?
14:15:22 <trackbot> ACTION-51 -- Glenn Adams to review and draft CP for resolving ISSUE-151 -- due 2012-03-29 -- OPEN
14:15:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/51
14:16:04 <glenn> ACTION-52?
14:16:04 <trackbot> ACTION-52 -- Sean Hayes to draft CP for resolving ISSUE-154 -- due 2012-03-29 -- OPEN
14:16:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/52
14:16:07 <glenn> ACTION-53?
14:16:07 <trackbot> ACTION-53 -- Glenn Adams to address or draft CP to resolve ISSUE-156 -- due 2012-03-29 -- OPEN
14:16:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/53
14:16:25 <glenn> glenn: wip on these
14:16:43 <glenn> topic: new issues
14:17:00 <glenn> ISSUE-165?
14:17:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-165 -- allowing set to animate more than one attribute. -- open
14:17:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/165
14:19:38 <glenn> zakim, aacc is cpc-jasonlivingst
14:19:38 <Zakim> +cpc-jasonlivingst; got it
14:20:06 <glenn> general agreement on adding this feature expressed
14:20:16 <glenn> in v.next
14:23:19 <glenn> RESOLVED: add support for animation of multiple attrs as described in ISSUE-165
14:24:56 <glenn> mike: asks if we would support fragment or documen updates
14:25:02 <glenn> s/documen/document/
14:25:14 <glenn> ... can update documents today
14:25:41 <glenn> ... if set becomes complicated, may make fragment or document updates more attractive
14:26:05 <glenn> sean: shouldn't make too complicated without considering update concepts
14:27:58 <glenn> action sean to write CP for performing multiple attribute animation with set, per issue-165
14:27:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Write CP for performing multiple attribute animation with set, per issue-165 [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-04-12].
14:32:00 <glenn> action glenn to populate a ttml11 directory for authoring v.next, referring to existing ttml10 materials in way that best supports synchronization with changes in ttml10
14:32:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Populate a ttml11 directory for authoring v.next, referring to existing ttml10 materials in way that best supports synchronization with changes in ttml10 [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-04-12].
14:32:11 <glenn> ISSUE-160?
14:32:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-160 -- Centered flush left captions -- open
14:32:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/160
14:33:10 <glenn> sean: solution will need to introduce margin props and automatic width computations
14:33:36 <glenn> ... has been looking at css3 for help
14:37:05 <glenn> glenn: perhaps the new xsl-fo 2.0 reqs deals with content shrink fit
14:38:16 <glenn> action sean to draft CP for adding margin suppport
14:38:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Draft CP for adding margin suppport [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-04-12].
14:38:38 <glenn> action sean to draft CP for adding content shrink fit features
14:38:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Draft CP for adding content shrink fit features [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-04-12].
14:38:59 <glenn> RESOLVED: to define support for margins
14:39:05 <glenn> no objection
14:39:23 <glenn> RESOLVE: to investigate support for content shrink fit
14:39:36 <glenn> ISSUE-20?
14:39:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Region border not supported -- open
14:39:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/20
14:40:12 <glenn> sean: EIA 708 defines windows (regions) with borders
14:40:30 <glenn> ... but TTML does not presently define borders
14:41:00 <glenn> ... wonders whether this is important for smpte
14:41:38 <glenn> jason: almost all captions in US are authored for 608, and very little use of 708 features
14:42:02 <glenn> ... borders not being used in real world (of broadcast)
14:42:16 <glenn> ... [in US markets]
14:43:11 <glenn> mike: need to keep user controls separate from authored/exchanged content
14:43:21 <glenn> ... more serious compliance issues than borders
14:44:05 <glenn> RESOLVED: not to introduce borders in v.next at this time; i.e., to defer this feature
14:44:26 <glenn> ISSUE-21?
14:44:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 -- window anchor points not supported? -- open
14:44:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/21
14:44:29 <glenn> ISSUE-22?
14:44:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-22 -- window fade in/out not supported? -- open
14:44:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/22
14:44:54 <glenn> sean: these again are 708 features that TT does not presently support
14:45:33 <glenn> ... window anchor points allow relative (percentage) based positioning of 708 windows (i.e., TT regions)
14:46:35 <glenn> ... what do people think about the need for these features?
14:47:28 <glenn> jason: more a matter of user control (for window positioning); content isn't using; most decoders don't support correctly
14:48:28 <glenn> RESOLVED: defer both authored non-absolute region positioning and fades
14:49:07 <glenn> mike: smpte is in process of reviewing 103 regs [?]; this might better be discussed in smpte then reintroduced here if needed
14:50:25 <glenn> sean: sure, if smpte wishes to provide further input, that would be great
14:50:37 <glenn> ISSUE-23?
14:50:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-23 -- intermediate animation of extent -- open
14:50:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/23
14:50:58 <glenn> ISSUE-21 defer
14:51:07 <glenn> ISSUE-22 defer
14:51:44 <mike> "103 regs" = US 47CFR79.103 http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2010/db0720/FCC-10-129A1.pdf 
14:51:50 <glenn> ISSUE-21: defer
14:51:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 window anchor points not supported? notes added
14:51:53 <glenn> ISSUE-22: defer
14:51:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-22 window fade in/out not supported? notes added
14:52:31 <glenn> sean: table ISSUE-23 for now
14:55:27 <glenn> ... all props are discretely animatable with set
14:56:11 <glenn> sean: when will report from smpte come out?
14:56:14 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:56:16 <Zakim> -sean
14:56:17 <Zakim> -mike
14:56:18 <glenn> mike: will update group next week
14:56:20 <Zakim> -cpc-jasonlivingst
14:56:22 <Zakim> -glenn
14:56:23 <Zakim> Vide_TTML()10:00AM has ended
14:56:23 <Zakim> Attendees were Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +1.858.847.aaaa, +44.154.558.aabb, +1.301.738.aacc, glenn, mike, sean, cpc-jasonlivingst
14:56:35 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
14:56:35 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:56:35 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:56:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:56:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-tt-minutes.html trackbot
14:56:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:56:44 <RRSAgent> I see no action items