IRC log of html-wg on 2012-04-05

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Zakim, this will be html_wg
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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 05 April 2012
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+ +1.619.846.aaaa
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Zakim, Microsoft is krisk
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+krisk; got it
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Zakim, call Mike
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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zakim, microsoft has me
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+eliot; got it
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zakim, ??P9 is Janina
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+Janina; got it
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+ +49.251.280.aabb
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Zakim, +49.251.280.aabb is me
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+Julian; got it
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Zakim, mute me
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Julian should now be muted
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+ +1.858.735.aacc
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zakim, ??p8 is glenn
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+glenn; got it
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Zakim, aaaa is me
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+hober; got it
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zakim, I am +1.858.735.aacc
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+KevinStreeter; got it
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see joesteele, krisk, hober, [Microsoft], Sam, Mike, Radhika_Roy, Janina, glenn (muted), Julian (muted), KevinStreeter, [Microsoft.a]
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[Microsoft] has eliot
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Scribe: krisk
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zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
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+paulc; got it
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Chair: rubys
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ACTION items due by Thursday, April 5
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Sorry, couldn't find user - items
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items due by Thursday, April 5
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New Issues This Week
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zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
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+adrianba; got it
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Items Closed Last Week
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A number...
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ISSUE-80: title-alternative, Call for Consensus closed Mar 28
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ISSUE-80 document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content notes added
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ISSUE-134: tab-states, Revise Change Proposals closed Mar 28
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ISSUE-134 Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively notes added
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see ->
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ISSUE-191: ins-del, Revise Change Proposals closed Mar 28
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ISSUE-191 Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution notes added
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issue has been postponed -
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ISSUE-200: legend-placement, Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 28
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ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements notes added
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two proposals have been submitted that the co-chairs will evaluate
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ISSUE-193: inaccessible-example, Call for Consensus closed Mar 29
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ISSUE-193 Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content notes added
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Resulted in a decision
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ISSUE-196: ua-http-resp-handling, Call for Consensus closed Mar 29
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ISSUE-196 Define user agent http response handling behaviour notes added
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This also resulted in a decision
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ISSUE-197: accept-file-ext, Call for Consensus closed Mar 29
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ISSUE-197 Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values notes added
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This also resulted in a decision
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ISSUE-203: media-descriptions, Revise Change Proposals closes Apr 2
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ISSUE-203 All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element notes added
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proposals have been updated, not actions taken
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s/have been/have not been/
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ISSUE-198: innerHTML-patent-policy, Call for Counter Proposals closes Apr 3
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ISSUE-198 Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject to the W3C patent policy notes added
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Later in the agenda we'll see a CfC for this issue
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Next Agenda Item - Items Closing This Week
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ISSUE-194: full-transcript, Call for Counter Proposals extension closes Apr 5
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ISSUE-194 Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. notes added
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Next Agenda Item New Calls this week
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Actually the next agenda item is Items closing next week
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ISSUE-201: canvas-fallback, Call for Counter Proposals extension closes Apr 11
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ISSUE-201 Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content notes added
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Any questions or comments on the above?
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Agenda Item New Calls this week
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ISSUE-184: data-element, Call for Consensus closes Apr 11
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ISSUE-184 Add a data element notes added
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As mentioned above ISSUE-198: innerHTML-patent-policy, Call for Consensus closes Apr 11
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Next Agenda Item New Surveys this week
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We have one new survey this week
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ISSUE-158: object-content-model - Straw Poll for Objections
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ISSUE-158 HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue notes added
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Next up is 'Decisions this week'
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ISSUE-80 Working Group Decision
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ISSUE-191 Postponed
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ISSUE-193 Working Group Decision
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The CfC passed
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ISSUE-196 Working Group Decision
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This also passed the CfC
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ISSUE-197 Working Group Decision
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This also passed a CfC
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Next Up Is Task Force Reports
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Accessibility Task Force Update
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We conitune to work on issues
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key item might ask a postpone on issue 201
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would like to discuss this at the F2F in May
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The hope and expectations is that in the F2F we can agree on a resolution that works for everyone in the group
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A good time would be on thursday afternoon at the F2F to discuss
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Sam - are you asking for an extension of postponment?
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Janina - we are asking for an extension
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s/extension of/extension or/
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Next Update Testing Task Force
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We will meet April 10th
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Microsoft submitted some range/progress tests
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See ->
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See ->
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James and Mike Smith have mirrored the Hg Repository to Git
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See ->
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The hope is that this helps people participate and review tests more effectively
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q+ to say that I need some help setting up the secure ports for Jetty (for WebSockets testing)
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The git hub is read-only so it's only one way
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ack next
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MikeSmith, you wanted to say that I need some help setting up the secure ports for Jetty (for WebSockets testing)
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Webapps related - mike smith could use some help with the websocket server setup (secure ports)
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Any other questions for the testing task force?
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Next Up Is any other business
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Call for agenda topics for May face-to-face meeting
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Please update the wiki
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16:23:38 [rubys]
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Next up is the CfC: Create Media Task Force
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This closes on tues April 10th
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Heartbeat Documents Published
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Thanks Mike Smith!
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Next Up Is ISSUE 134: change proposal review
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Two proposals
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Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2012-03-19 - 2012-03-25
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This covers business beyond HTML5, for example WebApps
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Any other business that people would like to discuss?
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None mentioned
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Scribe for next meeting?
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hober would like to scribe
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate krisk
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2012-04-05 16:27:46.176:WARN:oejuc.AbstractLifeCycle:FAILED SslContextFactory@61c80b01(keystore.chain,keystore.chain): /opt/
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jetty/webapps/echo-test/keystore.chain (No such file or directory)
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missing "keystore.chain" file
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OK this helps
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I'll take a peek on my end and see what needs to be done
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HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were joesteele, +1.619.846.aaaa, krisk, Sam, Mike, eliot, Radhika_Roy, Janina, Julian, +1.858.735.aacc, glenn, [Microsoft], hober, KevinStreeter, paulc, adrianba
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validator: 03Michael[tm] Smith <> * 9d445b55306e r434 10validator/src/nu/validator/messages/ Don't emit info-level messages in gnu output.
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