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13:29:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:29:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:29:45 <trackbot> Date: 04 April 2012
13:29:59 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
13:29:59 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:30:17 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
13:30:24 <Zakim> +Shawn
13:31:13 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:31:13 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
13:31:14 <sharper> Agenda+ Mobile Call Publication Status - Including Title Discussion (Shadi and Shawn)
13:31:15 <sharper> Agenda+ Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options)
13:31:15 <sharper> Agenda+ Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)
13:31:15 <sharper> Agenda+ Topic 3 (Shawn)
13:31:15 <sharper> Agenda+ Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon)
13:31:17 <sharper> Agenda+ RDWG Incubator (Simon)
13:31:19 <sharper> Agenda+ Conference Management Systems (OpenConf via Shadi)
13:31:21 <sharper> Agenda+ Face to Face Meeting Discussion (Simon)
13:31:23 <sharper> Agenda+ Any Other Business 
13:32:18 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:32:32 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shawn, Shadi
13:32:39 <sharper> present+ Harper_Simon
13:32:48 <sharper> regrets+ Conway_Vivienne
13:32:51 <christos> christos has joined #rd
13:32:57 <sharper> regrets+ Brajnik_Giorgio
13:33:07 <sharper> regrets+ O'Connor_Joshue
13:33:21 <Zakim> +??P18
13:33:22 <sharper> regrets+ McCathieNevile_Charles
13:33:27 <peter> peter has joined #rd
13:33:57 <christos> zakim, ??P18 is me
13:33:57 <Zakim> +christos; got it
13:34:02 <Zakim> +??P19
13:34:19 <sharper> zakim, ??P19 is sharper
13:34:19 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:34:37 <shadi> agenda?
13:35:13 <markel> markel has joined #rd
13:35:18 <Zakim> +??P22
13:35:35 <peter> Zakim, ??P22 is me
13:35:35 <Zakim> +peter; got it
13:35:38 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:35:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shawn (muted), Shadi, christos, sharper, peter
13:35:41 <peter> Zakim, mute me
13:35:41 <Zakim> peter should now be muted
13:35:49 <Zakim> +??P25
13:36:05 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:36:05 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:36:07 <markel> zakim, ??P25 is markel
13:36:07 <Zakim> +markel; got it
13:36:22 <christos> zakim, mute me
13:36:22 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
13:36:38 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:36:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:36:40 <christos> zakim, ack me
13:36:41 <Zakim> unmuting christos
13:36:41 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:36:41 <shadi> scribe: shadi
13:37:04 <christos> zakim, mute me
13:37:04 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
13:37:23 <peter> Hmm not sure (will check through email)
13:37:25 <sharper> regrets+ Yesilada_Yeliz
13:37:42 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:37:42 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Mobile Call Publication Status - Including Title Discussion (Shadi and Shawn)" taken up [from sharper]
13:38:02 <shadi> SH: need to decide on the title
13:38:23 <shadi> ...preferences?
13:38:27 <peter> Zakim, unmute me
13:38:27 <Zakim> peter should no longer be muted
13:38:45 <shadi> PT: "Mobile Accessibility" is good enough
13:38:53 <shadi> ...no need for "web" in there
13:38:59 <shadi> ...clear because W3C event
13:39:05 <shadi> ...want to include web apps too
13:39:06 <peter> Zakim, mute me
13:39:06 <Zakim> peter should now be muted
13:39:09 <markel> I agree with Peter
13:39:15 <shawn> ack me
13:39:27 <shadi> SLH: no strong feelings
13:39:29 <shadi> ack me
13:39:37 <shadi> SAZ: no strong feelings
13:39:57 <shadi> RESOLUTION: symposium topic is "Mobile Accessibility"
13:40:03 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:40:03 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:40:07 <shawn> zakim, mute me
13:40:07 <Zakim> Shawn should now be muted
13:40:23 <shadi> ack me
13:40:53 <shawn> SAZ: one more open issue with template
13:40:59 <peter> Template URL: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Template
13:41:27 <shadi> [[    the previous work that the proposed approach based on;
13:41:27 <shadi>     the problem that was addressed;
13:41:29 <shadi>     the major hurdles found in the process;
13:41:31 <shadi>     the main outcomes, lessons learned, and mistakes made;
13:41:33 <shadi>     the future perspectives opened with this work. ]]
13:41:37 <peter> q+
13:42:03 <peter> ack me
13:42:11 <shadi> SAZ: need a customized one for this particular topic
13:42:49 <shadi> PT: copy & paste error too
13:43:41 <shadi> SH: sequences seems to be different but questions may map
13:44:02 <shadi> ...for example switch around 1st & 2nd in the cfp
13:44:36 <shadi> q+
13:44:49 <shadi> ...only strategy seems to be non-matching
13:44:55 <shadi> ack me
13:44:57 <sharper> ack s
13:45:00 <peter> Zakim, mute me
13:45:00 <Zakim> peter should now be muted
13:46:44 <shawn> saz: ... general approach similar between topics, but make sure any customized wording matches between CfP & template
13:47:24 <shadi> SH: template can be changed around a little to match CFP
13:47:25 <peter> Yup sounds good i. generic to custom template, ii. consistency between temp ate and call.
13:47:37 <shadi> ...will work on it
13:47:49 <shadi> ...change the ordering and align the wording
13:48:08 <peter> Thanks Simon! Happy to help if needed.
13:48:12 <shawn> q+ to note dates seem wrong between http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Topic_Timeline & http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile#Important_Dates
13:48:21 <shawn> ack me
13:48:22 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to note dates seem wrong between http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Topic_Timeline & http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile#Important_Dates
13:48:28 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:48:28 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:49:02 <shadi> SLH: mismatch of dates
13:49:07 <shadi> SH: will fix these too
13:49:56 <shadi> SH: note the uneven dates for week 7, 5, and 3
13:50:03 <shadi> ...needed more time for paper review
13:50:25 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:50:25 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options)" taken up [from sharper]
13:51:20 <shadi> SH: SAZ was going to look into possible options
13:51:22 <shawn> q+ to say haven't worked on proceedings package yet
13:51:22 <shadi> ack me
13:51:45 <shadi> SAZ: still open action
13:51:52 <shawn> ack me
13:51:52 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say haven't worked on proceedings package yet
13:52:12 <shadi> SLH: looking into proceedings package too
13:52:19 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:52:19 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)" taken up [from sharper]
13:52:35 <sharper> regrets+ O'Connor_Joshue
13:53:13 <sharper> regrets+ Mohamad_Yehya
13:53:20 <shawn> SAZ: I have latest draft from editors. Approach for papers might change. open action to put in W3C Note format.
13:53:28 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:53:28 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Topic 3 (Shawn)" taken up [from sharper]
13:53:37 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:53:37 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:53:54 <shawn> Text Customization http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Text_Customization
13:54:17 <shadi> SH: want to start getting this topic on our radars
13:54:23 <shadi> ...Text Customization
13:54:30 <shadi> SLH: have been refining the scope
13:54:51 <shadi> ...balancing broadening approach versus stay focused on the particular issue
13:55:16 <peter> (would like to skim it)
13:55:24 <shadi> ...main focus is users with low vision, dyslexia, and others who need to customize the text
13:55:54 <shawn> oops -- changes to cope didn't get saved! :(
13:56:49 <peter> :)
13:56:54 <shawn> lok at this page instead: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Text_Customization_Symposium_draft_page
13:56:57 <shadi> SH: propose this as topic 3, would like people's thoughts on this
13:57:59 <shadi> SH: need to be cautious of august
13:58:56 <peter> q+
13:59:00 <peter> ack me
13:59:07 <shadi> SH: what do people think of the topic?
13:59:10 <markel> sounds good to me
13:59:14 <shadi> PT: would be very useful topic
13:59:41 <peter> Zakim, mute me
13:59:41 <Zakim> peter should now be muted
13:59:46 <shadi> q+
13:59:53 <shadi> ack me
14:00:12 <markel> q+
14:00:32 <shawn> SAZ: important topic. have some editorial comments. overall idea & approach seems fine.
14:00:38 <sharper> ack m
14:00:49 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:00:49 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:01:02 <shadi> MV: sound approach
14:01:10 <shadi> ...but title may be misleading
14:01:21 <shawn> q+ to point to title ideas: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Text_Customization#Text_Customization_Topic_Proposal
14:01:29 <shadi> ...readibility and legibility may be keywords too
14:01:29 <christos> q+
14:01:36 <christos> ack me
14:01:39 <shadi> ...or adaptations
14:01:42 <sharper> ack sh
14:01:42 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to point to title ideas: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Text_Customization#Text_Customization_Topic_Proposal
14:01:43 <shawn> ack me
14:02:01 <shadi> SLH: welcome suggestions, have some other title ideas
14:02:47 <shadi> SH: could play with sub-title too
14:04:21 <christos> problem with the mike
14:04:31 <christos> I agree with markel
14:04:42 <christos> maybe adaptive text...
14:04:51 <shawn> other ideas?
14:05:10 <christos> or something like that... because my mind went to fonts when I first saw the title
14:05:11 <markel> That is good
14:05:25 <christos> That's all
14:05:37 <christos> zakim, mute me
14:05:37 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
14:06:00 <peter> Three cheers for topic 3 (being this)
14:06:01 <sharper> +1 to topic 3
14:06:04 <shadi> +1
14:06:06 <shawn> +1 :)
14:06:07 <markel> +1
14:06:13 <christos> +1
14:06:17 <shadi> RESOLUTION: Text Customization is Topic 3
14:06:53 <shadi> q+
14:07:09 <shadi> SLH: wanted a pre-call for mobile topic
14:07:13 <shadi> ...could try for this one
14:07:29 <shadi> SH: want to give heads-up to Coordination Group
14:07:56 <shadi> ...could even announce during mobile accessibility symposium
14:08:03 <shadi> ...have time to discuss the timeline
14:08:09 <shadi> ...we are well ahead
14:08:34 <shawn> q?
14:08:37 <shadi> ack me
14:09:31 <shadi> SAZ: have a CG call today, can give them a heads-up
14:09:46 <shadi> ...but let's work on getting them more involved
14:10:06 <shadi> SH: yes, as previously discussed want to get more direct input from them
14:10:23 <shadi> ...will send them messages directly
14:10:27 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:10:27 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon)" taken up [from sharper]
14:11:17 <shadi> SH: worry that we may miss our planned goals for the first year
14:12:09 <shadi> ...need to plan out the next topic timelines, even if we don't know the exact topics yet
14:12:27 <shadi> ...just to have some group commitment
14:13:36 <peter> Sounds good
14:13:38 <shadi> SAZ: sounds like a really good approach
14:13:50 <shadi> ...we also built lots of know-how in the first year
14:13:56 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:13:56 <Zakim> agendum 7. "RDWG Incubator (Simon)" taken up [from sharper]
14:14:27 <shadi> SH: talked about this approach a while ago
14:15:11 <shadi> ...want to drop it as we can't really do it in addition to all the other work
14:15:53 <shadi> SH: incubator concept was to populate topics that we do not address
14:16:08 <shadi> ...rather than leave them dangling
14:16:09 <shadi> q+
14:16:36 <shadi> ...anybody can add to the wiki topics
14:16:48 <peter> q+
14:16:50 <shadi> ...but don't see that ocurring just yet
14:17:02 <peter> ack me
14:17:04 <shadi> ack peter
14:17:06 <sharper> ack p
14:17:15 <shadi> PT: agree with simon
14:17:28 <shadi> ...even mobile sympsoium did not get much contribution
14:17:45 <shadi> ...can only do certain amount of work
14:18:01 <shadi> ...then needs chair and W3C staff to do the final reviews
14:18:12 <shadi> ack me
14:18:12 <peter> zakim, mute me
14:18:13 <Zakim> peter should now be muted
14:19:20 <shawn> SAZ: in principle, agree with peter. however...
14:19:57 <shawn> ... maybe not completly drop it, yet look at reduced version for if we do have contributors in the futre
14:20:11 <shawn> s/futre/future/
14:20:22 <shawn> ... WG maybe do light-weight review
14:20:34 <shawn> for formal approval, but gettting some WG perspecgives
14:21:37 <shadi> SH: question is we can develop them to a certain standard
14:21:47 <shadi> ...then toss them to other groups
14:21:49 <shadi> q+
14:22:09 <shadi> ack me
14:23:06 <shadi> SAZ: agree with the idea
14:23:19 <shadi> ...but maybe not focus on a particular group
14:23:35 <shadi> SH: ok, want to keep as an issue to keep coming back to it
14:24:40 <shadi> ISSUE: shelf the Incubator concept for now until we can get better resources
14:24:40 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-1 - Shelf the Incubator concept for now until we can get better resources ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/issues/1/edit .
14:24:55 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
14:24:55 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:24:56 <Zakim> 7. RDWG Incubator (Simon) [from sharper]
14:24:56 <Zakim> 8. Conference Management Systems (OpenConf via Shadi) [from sharper]
14:24:56 <Zakim> 9. Face to Face Meeting Discussion (Simon) [from sharper]
14:24:56 <Zakim> 10. Any Other Business [from sharper]
14:25:31 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 7
14:25:31 <Zakim> agendum 7, RDWG Incubator (Simon), closed
14:25:32 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:25:32 <Zakim> 8. Conference Management Systems (OpenConf via Shadi) [from sharper]
14:25:40 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:25:40 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Face to Face Meeting Discussion (Simon)" taken up [from sharper]
14:26:13 <shadi> SH: every so often there is a face-to-face meeting
14:26:36 <shadi> ...needs travel support
14:27:21 <shawn> TPAC 2012 http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/ 29 October - 2 November 2012, Lyon, France
14:27:35 <shawn> SAZ: meet f2f, also with other groups. logistics provided.
14:27:41 <shawn> ... e.g., can talk with mobile WG
14:28:20 <sharper> 29 October through 2 November 2012
14:28:31 <sharper> Lyon, France at the Cité Centre de Congrès de Lyon
14:29:07 <shadi> SH: need to confirm group meeting by 30 April
14:29:48 <shadi> ...involves travel costs
14:31:22 <shawn> SAZ: f2f particulalry useful for WGs developing spec. here we are somehwat diff group. huge benefit is group building
14:31:29 <shawn> q+ to say conf
14:31:38 <peter> q+
14:31:42 <markel> sorry guys, I've to leave
14:31:47 <shawn> ... increasing output & effectiveness of group
14:31:50 <shawn> ack me
14:31:51 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say conf
14:31:58 <markel> talk to you soon
14:32:01 <shawn> ack me
14:32:03 <markel> markel has left #rd
14:32:10 <shadi> q?
14:32:24 <Zakim> -markel
14:32:34 <shadi> SLH: maybe try to do more meetups at conferences rather than one f2f
14:32:55 <shadi> ...people already travel around quite a bit
14:32:59 <christos> sorry everybody... I have to go too.... bye
14:33:11 <peter> ack me
14:33:29 <shadi> PT: agree that face time is really important
14:33:57 <peter> Zakim, mute me
14:33:57 <Zakim> peter should now be muted
14:34:17 <shawn> agenda?
14:34:24 <peter> cheers :-) (will be in touch by email simon)
14:34:27 <Zakim> -Shawn
14:34:29 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:34:33 <peter> peter has left #rd
14:34:41 <Zakim> -peter
14:39:46 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:39:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see christos (muted), sharper
14:40:01 <shadi> zakim, drop christos
14:40:01 <Zakim> christos is being disconnected
14:40:03 <Zakim> -christos
14:40:07 <shadi> zakim, drop sharper
14:40:07 <Zakim> sharper is being disconnected
14:40:08 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
14:40:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Shawn, Shadi, christos, sharper, peter, markel
14:40:20 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:40:20 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:40:20 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:40:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:40:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:40:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:40:29 <RRSAgent> I see no action items