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13:49:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:49:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
13:49:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:49:46 <trackbot> Date: 04 April 2012
13:50:07 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Apr/0007.html
13:50:40 <fjh> Regrets+ Robin_Berjon
13:50:51 <fjh> Chair:  Frederick_Hirsch
13:50:54 <fjh> Present+  Frederick_Hirsch
13:51:40 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:51:47 <Zakim> + +1.289.261.aaaa
13:53:12 <Mohammed> Mohammed has joined #dap
13:53:42 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aaaa is me
13:53:42 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref; got it
13:54:20 <Mohammed> present+Mohammed_Dadas
13:54:34 <Josh_Soref> s/+/+ /
13:55:01 <Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref 
13:55:27 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
13:55:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref
13:56:29 <SungOk_You> SungOk_You has joined #dap
13:57:10 <Zakim> + +33.5.34.31.aabb
13:57:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:57:41 <AnssiK> AnssiK has joined #dap
13:57:43 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:57:43 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:57:48 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref
13:57:56 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:57:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.5.34.31.aabb, fjh
13:58:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnssiK, SungOk_You, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Samarth, darobin, hiroto_away, lgombos, ilkka, mounir, Josh_Soref, rektide, trackbot, dom
13:58:41 <Zakim> +??P10
13:58:51 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
13:58:51 <dsr> dsr has joined #dap
13:59:05 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P10 is me
13:59:05 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
13:59:34 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
13:59:41 <Zakim> +Dsr
13:59:53 <fjh> zakim, aabb is mohammed
13:59:53 <Zakim> +mohammed; got it
14:00:02 <Zakim> + +1.503.542.aacc
14:00:06 <Jungkee> Jungkee has joined #dap
14:00:10 <dsr> Present+ Dsr
14:00:15 <Jungkee> Present+ Jungkee_Song
14:00:34 <dtran> dtran has joined #dap
14:00:34 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +1503?
14:00:34 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.503 is Oregon
14:00:36 <Jungkee> Hi all !
14:00:36 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:00:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see mohammed, fjh, AnssiK, Josh_Soref, Dsr, +1.503.542.aacc
14:00:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see dtran, Jungkee, dsr, AnssiK, SungOk_You, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Samarth, darobin, hiroto_away, lgombos, ilkka, mounir, Josh_Soref, rektide, trackbot, dom
14:01:07 <fjh> zakim, where is 33.5
14:01:07 <Zakim> fjh, I do not see a party named 'where'.  If you meant to ask a question you need to add '?'
14:01:13 <Sylvain_lalande> Sylvain_lalande has joined #dap
14:01:17 <fjh> zakim, where is +33.5?
14:01:17 <Zakim> country code 33 is France
14:01:23 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aadd
14:01:31 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is aadd?
14:01:31 <Zakim> sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not understand your question
14:01:35 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +1425?
14:01:35 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.425 is Washington
14:01:58 <dtran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
14:02:13 <dtran> aacc is me
14:02:25 <Josh_Soref> s/aacc is me//
14:02:31 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aacc is dtran 
14:02:31 <Zakim> +dtran; got it
14:02:38 <Clarke> Clarke has joined #dap
14:02:42 <bryan> bryan has joined #dap
14:02:59 <Zakim> +??P33
14:03:03 <bryan> present +Bryan_Sullivan
14:03:10 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:03:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:03:31 <Zakim> +??P0
14:03:46 <Clarke> zakim, ??P0 is Clarke
14:03:46 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
14:03:52 <Josh_Soref> rrsagent, make logs public
14:04:00 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
14:04:02 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:04:06 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:04:06 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:04:07 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:04:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see mohammed, fjh, AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), Dsr, dtran (muted), +1.425.214.aadd, ??P33, Clarke
14:04:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see bryan, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, dtran, Jungkee, dsr, AnssiK, SungOk_You, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Samarth, darobin, hiroto_away, lgombos, ilkka, mounir,
14:04:10 <Clarke> Present+ Clarke_Stevens
14:04:14 <Zakim> ... Josh_Soref, rektide, trackbot, dom
14:04:17 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Clarke (6%), fjh (75%), Josh_Soref (15%), ??P33 (5%)
14:04:24 <Zakim> + +33.2.31.26.aaee
14:04:25 <Cathy> Cathy has joined #dap
14:04:39 <fjh> Web Application Store Community Group Launched: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Apr/0003.html
14:04:51 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Minutes Approval
14:04:55 <adrianba> adrianba has joined #dap
14:04:58 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we aren't ready to approve them
14:05:00 <fjh> Draft F2F Minutes (and notes of items in minutes requiring correction):  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Apr/0004.html
14:05:07 <Josh_Soref> ... i doubt we'll be able to approve them next week
14:05:10 <Josh_Soref> ... there's a lot of them
14:05:14 <Josh_Soref> ... please look at them
14:05:15 <fjh> please review and provide corrections  to josh and public list
14:05:33 <Sylvain_lalande> zakim, aaee is Sylvain_lalande
14:05:33 <Zakim> +Sylvain_lalande; got it
14:05:41 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Chartering new work
14:05:55 <Josh_Soref> fjh: the topic has come up as how/where/when should it be chartered
14:06:00 <fjh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2012JanMar/0057.html
14:06:00 <fjh> Please have any chartering discussion on AC forum list (member only), see also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2012AprJun/0000.html
14:06:06 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think it's appropriate for our WG to get into the nitty gritty of chartering
14:06:13 <Zakim> + +1.781.266.aaff
14:06:17 <Josh_Soref> ... you can have your AC rep get involved
14:06:17 <dsr> q+
14:06:21 <fjh> ack dsr
14:06:28 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think it has anything to do with technical merit
14:06:32 <Josh_Soref> dsr: I had some discussions
14:06:33 <Cathy> Zakinthos, aaff is me
14:06:36 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:06:43 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aaff is Cathy 
14:06:43 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:06:45 <Cathy> Zakim, aaff is me
14:06:45 <Zakim> sorry, Cathy, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
14:06:55 <Josh_Soref> ... i followed up with ArtB
14:07:08 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:07:08 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
14:07:10 <Josh_Soref> ... there's some informal discussion in various places
14:07:15 <Josh_Soref> ... i'm trying to reach out to various people
14:07:26 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think what we started to do at the F2F
14:07:39 <Josh_Soref> s/Zakinthos, aaff is me/
14:07:57 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Sensor API
14:08:06 <darobin> [I think I should point out that the WG can decide to discuss its charter in public if it so wishes — if you look at the beginning of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/ that's in fact how the first charter was elaborated]
14:08:30 <fjh> List discussion following CfC, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/0222.html
14:08:33 <darobin> [just be careful in using information you may have obtained through privileged channels in doing so]
14:08:34 <Josh_Soref> fjh: I want to leave it to AC reps + Team
14:08:37 <Josh_Soref> ... I don't want to step into it
14:08:42 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Sensor API
14:08:46 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we had a CfC
14:08:51 <Josh_Soref> ... we talked about eliminating that spec
14:08:52 <dsr> I am reaching out to people directly to clarify their interests/concerns, we may have discussion relating to use cases, scope  on public list, and some people have suggested that a community group may be appropriate to discuss this further.
14:09:11 <Josh_Soref> ... there's been a lot of discussion on the list
14:09:17 <Josh_Soref> ... some people have asked if we can stop the discussion
14:09:20 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think we can/should
14:09:23 <bryan> q+ to note that I will be capturing the list discussion on the wiki, and I recommend that we hold off making a decision for the overall threads of argument to be captured.
14:09:25 <Josh_Soref> ... it's been good
14:09:41 <Josh_Soref> ... there's concern about doing things in a blanket fashion
14:09:52 <Josh_Soref> ... where we're really ending up is that we need to look at each sensor
14:09:59 <Josh_Soref> ... and how to package it
14:10:05 <Josh_Soref> ... there's a useful discussion happening
14:10:13 <Josh_Soref> ... we need to look into thresholds/watchpoints
14:10:28 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think we can resolve anything on this call
14:10:38 <Josh_Soref> ... if you haven't looked at the discussion on the list, you should
14:10:49 <Josh_Soref> ... what i'd like to do is figure out what we can do on the list
14:10:51 <dtran> q+
14:10:55 <Josh_Soref> ... and then decide what to publish
14:10:55 <fjh> ack bryan
14:10:55 <Zakim> bryan, you wanted to note that I will be capturing the list discussion on the wiki, and I recommend that we hold off making a decision for the overall threads of argument to be
14:10:56 <Josh_Soref> q?
14:10:58 <Zakim> ... captured.
14:11:30 <fjh> +1 agree to capture arguments, understand issues, then decide re cfc
14:11:36 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:11:38 <fjh> ack dtran
14:11:47 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (4%), dtran (88%), ??P33 (9%)
14:11:51 <Josh_Soref> dtran: i don't know if it's useful or not to do a quick edit of the current spec
14:11:55 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
14:12:05 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:12:22 <Josh_Soref> fjh: my take is that if there's anything concrete, you can move forward
14:12:27 <Josh_Soref> ... the wiki is good
14:12:37 <Josh_Soref> ... if you're able to do an edit that's easy and helps us move forward, then yes
14:12:50 <Josh_Soref> ... imo, anything we can do that's concrete and helps us move forward is good
14:13:05 <Josh_Soref> ... but you need to make a judgement about how much work you want to do
14:13:07 <Josh_Soref> dtran: ok
14:13:14 <Josh_Soref> ... i think the mozilla people [garbled]
14:13:34 <Josh_Soref> ... i think something simple
14:13:43 <Josh_Soref> ... the mozilla guys want something simple for javascript programmers
14:13:49 <Josh_Soref> ... i can put an outline together and send it out
14:13:58 <Josh_Soref> fjh: if anyone on the call has concerns, please speak up
14:14:06 <Josh_Soref> ... bryan: do you have further plans to work on the wiki?
14:14:15 <Josh_Soref> bryan: well yeah, it was intended to be collaboratively edited
14:14:23 <Josh_Soref> ... i will try to capture the thread from the mail list to the wiki
14:14:29 <Josh_Soref> ... it's just there as a template
14:14:40 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think you have to ask the wiki to be notified
14:14:57 <Josh_Soref> ... so if you, bryan, could send out a notice to the list summarizing big updates
14:14:59 <Josh_Soref> ... that'd be good
14:15:03 <Josh_Soref> bryan: [lost]
14:15:07 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i agree
14:15:14 <Josh_Soref> [ random beeps on the line ]
14:15:40 <dtran> maybe I just edit the Wiki instead?
14:15:41 <Josh_Soref> s/[lost]/it's going to take a bit of time to work through the issues, to get the architecture right, and we shouldn't rush/
14:15:53 <Josh_Soref> ... we want to avoid rework
14:16:03 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Network Information API
14:16:06 <fjh> Network Information API was landed on the Webkit, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Apr/0002.html
14:16:14 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/0219.html
14:16:14 <Josh_Soref> fjh: dom raised some concern
14:16:26 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:16:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see mohammed, fjh, AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), Dsr, dtran (muted), +1.425.214.aadd, ??P33, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, Cathy, adrianba
14:16:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianba, Cathy, bryan, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, dtran, Jungkee, dsr, AnssiK, SungOk_You, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Samarth, darobin, hiroto_away, lgombos,
14:16:29 <Zakim> ... ilkka, mounir, Josh_Soref, rektide, trackbot, dom
14:16:50 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i didn't get what dom was saying
14:17:06 <Josh_Soref> ... i think he was saying you have a whole stack and it depends on the whole stack
14:17:10 <AnssiK> q+
14:17:16 <fjh> ack anssik
14:17:37 <bryan> It will take  couple of weeks to capture discussions. I will update the wiki as I see significant new info. We are talking about fundamental API design approaches here, and I recommend that we take out time to do so. This is analogous to the time it took for us to course-correct from programmatic APIs to markup-based APIs (though in this case it should not take *that* long, and in that case we have subsequently waffled on the original course
14:17:37 <bryan> correction)
14:17:46 <fjh> unmute anssik
14:17:52 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:17:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see mohammed, fjh, AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), Dsr, dtran (muted), +1.425.214.aadd, ??P33, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, Cathy, adrianba
14:17:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianba, Cathy, bryan, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, dtran, Jungkee, dsr, AnssiK, SungOk_You, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Samarth, darobin, hiroto_away, lgombos,
14:17:55 <Zakim> ... ilkka, mounir, Josh_Soref, rektide, trackbot, dom
14:18:08 <fjh> unmute josh_soref
14:18:15 <fjh> unmute dtran
14:18:20 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:18:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see mohammed, fjh, AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), Dsr, dtran (muted), +1.425.214.aadd, ??P33, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, Cathy, adrianba
14:18:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianba, Cathy, bryan, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, dtran, Jungkee, dsr, AnssiK, SungOk_You, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Samarth, darobin, hiroto_away, lgombos,
14:18:22 <Zakim> ... ilkka, mounir, Josh_Soref, rektide, trackbot, dom
14:18:31 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute dtran 
14:18:31 <Zakim> dtran should no longer be muted
14:18:33 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute Josh_Soref 
14:18:33 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
14:18:43 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:18:43 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:19:00 <Josh_Soref> [ we can't hear AnssiK ]
14:19:02 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:19:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see mohammed, fjh, AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), Dsr, dtran (muted), +1.425.214.aadd, ??P33, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, Cathy, adrianba
14:19:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianba, Cathy, bryan, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, dtran, Jungkee, dsr, AnssiK, SungOk_You, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Samarth, darobin, hiroto_away, lgombos,
14:19:04 <Zakim> ... ilkka, mounir, Josh_Soref, rektide, trackbot, dom
14:19:09 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:19:20 <fjh> s/nmute member:josh_soref//
14:19:20 <Josh_Soref> s/unmute josh_soref//
14:19:26 <Josh_Soref> s/unmute dtran//
14:19:32 <Josh_Soref> s|s/nmute member:josh_soref//||
14:19:35 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:19:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:19:36 <Zakim> +??P3
14:19:48 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:19:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see mohammed, fjh, Josh_Soref (muted), Dsr, dtran (muted), +1.425.214.aadd, ??P33, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, Cathy, adrianba, ??P3
14:19:50 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P3 is me
14:19:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianba, Cathy, bryan, Clarke, Sylvain_lalande, dtran, Jungkee, dsr, AnssiK, SungOk_You, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Samarth, darobin, hiroto_away, lgombos,
14:19:50 <Zakim> ... ilkka, mounir, Josh_Soref, rektide, trackbot, dom
14:19:52 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
14:20:15 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
14:20:15 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
14:20:37 <AnssiK> I'll use Zakim VoIP
14:20:46 <AnssiK> s/I'll use Zakim VoIP//
14:21:00 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:21:01 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:21:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:21:29 <Josh_Soref> s/unmute anssik//
14:21:33 <Josh_Soref> s/unmute dtran//
14:21:36 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:21:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:21:48 <Zakim> + +358.504.86aagg
14:21:56 <AnssiK> zakim, aagg is me
14:21:56 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
14:21:58 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:21:58 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:22:09 <Josh_Soref> [ AnssiK calls in -- now with Voice 
14:22:17 <Josh_Soref> s/Voice /Voice ]/
14:22:25 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: you asked about dom's message
14:22:34 <Josh_Soref> ... in the cellular radio, there are a couple of power states
14:22:51 <Josh_Soref> ... when you are actively sending data over the radio, it costs much more power than when it's idle
14:23:03 <Josh_Soref> ... so if you can inform applications when the radio is already up
14:23:03 <bryan> q+ to ask (back on the sensors topic), if we can get info from the existing implementations sent to the DAP list and/or put into the wiki, related to the questions on the wiki
14:23:11 <Josh_Soref> ... for example if the user is browsing the web
14:23:30 <Josh_Soref> ... then the web app can try to use the radio concurrently
14:23:42 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: an event exposed to developers, similar to the online event
14:23:51 <Josh_Soref> ... saying "now the radio is actually up"
14:23:52 <bryan> Last email on the list related to what Anssi is talking about: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/0221.html
14:23:56 <fjh> radio on/off events exposed?
14:24:00 <Josh_Soref> q+ to say that the time slices are too fast for this
14:24:22 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: so all apps get a notice "the radio is up"
14:24:30 <Josh_Soref> ... and then respond to it and do their work during this window
14:24:55 <Josh_Soref> fjh: there's a lead time for the radio going on
14:24:58 <Josh_Soref> ... and a window when it's on
14:25:09 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: this is a message bus kind of thing
14:25:15 <Josh_Soref> ... you can be clever re: when to use the resources
14:25:23 <Josh_Soref> ... this is ideal for background situations
14:25:25 <bryan> Dom started that thread based upon noting the AT&T work on network connection use optimization http://www.research.att.com/articles/featured_stories/2011_03/201102_Energy_efficient?fbid=Jzq2QAkHxoP
14:25:29 <fjh> sounds sort of like cooperative-multitasking, maybe has similiar issues?
14:25:36 <Josh_Soref> ... like twitter updates/email client updates
14:25:57 <Josh_Soref> ... i'm thinking of a way to do it like offline
14:26:13 <Josh_Soref> q?
14:26:14 <fjh> ack bryan
14:26:15 <Zakim> bryan, you wanted to ask (back on the sensors topic), if we can get info from the existing implementations sent to the DAP list and/or put into the wiki, related to the questions
14:26:15 <Zakim> ... on the wiki
14:26:29 <Josh_Soref> bryan: there is a thread on the list about this
14:26:37 <Josh_Soref> ... i think something would be a good thing
14:26:45 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't know how complicated it would be in the end for developers
14:26:50 <Josh_Soref> ... to effectively respond to that information
14:26:59 <Josh_Soref> ... maybe even the APN for the app could vary?
14:27:11 <Josh_Soref> ... experience would help us learn what the risks of that information
14:27:16 <Josh_Soref> ... and maybe libraries would develop
14:27:27 <fjh> q?
14:27:31 <Josh_Soref> ... it's definitely worthwhile to think about that
14:27:34 <fjh> ack Josh_Soref
14:27:36 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to say that the time slices are too fast for this
14:27:42 <Josh_Soref> ... but maybe more precise than simple online
14:28:34 <fjh> Josh_Soref: radio can go on and off really fast, much faster than javascript app can respond, app needs to be waiting when getting event
14:28:38 <bryan> josh: the radio goes on and off fast
14:28:50 <fjh> bryan: we don't think it goes so fast in our analsys
14:29:03 <fjh> s/analsys/analysis/
14:29:13 <fjh> ... not order of ms
14:29:35 <fjh> Josh_Soref: enable apps to make requests, queue them, have sent when it makes sense
14:29:44 <bryan> the state changes don't happen on the order of MS, usually a few seconds for the transient states - see the referenced research work from AT&T
14:30:03 <fjh> that would simplify things for app developer
14:30:14 <Josh_Soref> bryan: we're looking into cooperative network usage
14:30:18 <Josh_Soref> ... cooperative multithreading
14:30:22 <Josh_Soref> ... bundling of network requests
14:30:29 <Josh_Soref> ... that work is being discussed in OMA
14:30:34 <Josh_Soref> ... if we want to go there in W3C
14:30:43 <Josh_Soref> ... we're going to need the information that dom suggested
14:30:47 <Josh_Soref> ... and that AnssiK echoed
14:31:11 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i wonder if this api is bigger
14:31:20 <Josh_Soref> ... it seems like it has a lot of api implications
14:31:32 <fjh> s/api/implementaton /
14:31:59 <Josh_Soref> [ scribe will move redaction up a line ]
14:32:16 <Josh_Soref> s|[ scribe will move redaction up a line ]||
14:32:33 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we should take this to the list
14:32:34 <bryan> we are beginning related work in OMA on bundling/scheduling of network transactions for efficiency - that work if it comes to W3C in some form would need the network state info described here (if that info wasn't just something known by a lower-layer native implementation of some API exposed to the webapp)
14:32:35 <AnssiK> the API itself could be modeled on http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/offline.html#browser-state
14:32:43 <Josh_Soref> ... i think it assumes a certain architecture behind it
14:33:23 <fjh> q?
14:33:23 <Josh_Soref> q?
14:33:55 <Josh_Soref> bryan: [sensors] if we could get people to gather information relating to implementations that already work
14:34:08 <Josh_Soref> ... privacy, parameter design, what the share, ...
14:34:13 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll send a request to the list
14:34:24 <Josh_Soref> fjh: right, that will be helpful
14:34:59 <Josh_Soref> fjh: what i try to do for a call is use the list as input for a call
14:35:08 <Josh_Soref> ... and not do things on the call without drive from the list
14:35:11 <Josh_Soref> Topic: AoB
14:35:17 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:35:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:35:33 <Josh_Soref> fjh: please review the F2F minutes
14:35:33 <bryan> the overall objective of the OMA work I mentioned is to help address the network resource efficiency of having multiple always-on apps, that may not need immediate fulfillment of a network request, or a distinct network connection to deliver it.
14:35:40 <Josh_Soref> ... send comments to josh and the list
14:35:51 <Josh_Soref> ... anything else?
14:35:59 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: next week runs into some people's vacations
14:36:11 <Josh_Soref> fjh: I know I have a vacation the following week
14:36:29 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: next week is Passover, but I'll be in
14:36:40 <bryan> The Tacking Protection WG meeting in DC is next week.
14:36:45 <Josh_Soref> fjh: if we have many regrets, we'll cancel
14:36:54 <fjh> s/Tacking/Tracking/
14:37:14 <Josh_Soref> ... or we could cancel if there's nothing to discuss
14:37:21 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll talk with darobin 
14:37:59 <darobin> [we can make that decision on Tuesday]
14:38:12 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: there was supposed to be a Web Apps meeting next week, but they moved it out because they didn't get a venue
14:38:26 <Josh_Soref> [ adjourned ]
14:38:27 <Zakim> - +1.425.214.aadd
14:38:29 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
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14:38:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:38:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/04-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:38:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:38:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items