15:58:51 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 15:58:51 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/04/03-aapi-irc 15:59:02 rrsagent, make logs public 15:59:09 rrsagent, make log world 15:59:17 Scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver 15:59:24 ScribeNick: Andi 15:59:31 Meeting: AAPI 15:59:38 Chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver 16:00:51 Issues and Actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10 16:04:49 CS: meeting to review with IE team on Monday, feedback to Andi on Tuesday 16:06:48 AS: David had raised an issue with aria-valuetext 16:07:02 DB: think we give aria-valuenow precedence over aria-valuetext 16:07:29 DB: think this is consistent with IA2 which expects numbers 16:18:06 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2012JanMar/0212.html 16:18:10 bug 12683 - can close this - text in the UAIG is correct 16:18:57 topic: Action-983 16:19:39 CS: some cells in the table are straight mappings but some have conditions 16:19:41 cyns has joined #aapi 16:19:52 CS: need testable statements for those that have conditions 16:20:19 action: Andi to get link to the testable statements for David so he can look at some examples 16:21:08 topic: draft re-write of section 5.1 16:21:09 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/User_Agent_Implementation_Task_Force 16:24:40 AS: new 5.1.1, third bullet - do we still need the language about role="presentation" 16:25:04 CS: not necessary but good for redundant 16:26:06 CS: can we renumber them and then have a note referring back to them? 16:26:48 DB: what about role="presentation" and tabindex="0"? 16:30:02 DB: ok the ARIA doc covers that. 16:30:21 DB: need to read offline, might have concern related to relations 16:34:42 AS: what about multiple roles? see 5th bullet under new 5.1.2 16:35:36 AS: if "presentation" is not the first role, the element would already have been excluded by the rules in the new section 5.1.1 16:38:24 DB: in 5.1.1, could say something like "elements where role="presentation" is the first role, follow the rules in the WAI-ARIA spec" 16:39:07 CS: but what about elements where the first role is not "presentation" and is not mappable - don't we want to treat these as "presentation"? 16:39:39 DB: maybe "presentation" is a special role and cannot be used with other roles 16:39:56 CS: maybe need some instructions to ATs 16:40:52 AS: in 5.1.1, first bullet, "elements with role="presentation" as the first mappable role ..."? 16:40:55 DB: +1 16:40:58 CS: +1 16:41:14 CS: add a note about what the ATs should do but don't know what it should say 16:41:27 action: bug - Cynthia - what should the note to ATs say? 16:42:19 I would say "Elements where 'presentation' is the first mappable role provided in the role attribute string. 16:42:27 Andi ^ 16:51:20 rrsagent, make minutes 16:51:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/03-aapi-minutes.html Andi 18:00:33 MichaelC has joined #aapi 18:04:13 Zakim has left #aapi 18:17:39 MichaelC, are you there? 18:18:40 hi andi 18:19:12 zakim, didn't have a reservation for us today 18:19:21 so we used my conference bridge 18:19:36 noon ET 18:21:52 for which call? 18:21:58 the UAI TF call 18:22:13 what code? 18:22:20 PC is AAPI# (2274#) 18:22:35 has this been a standing call at this time? or did the time get moved recently? 18:22:46 I ask because so many calls are moving about, I don't know what's what 18:22:57 no, we haven't moved it in a long time 18:23:03 we met 2 weeks ago 18:23:05 ok, thx, will look into that 18:23:07 thx 18:23:25 perhaps they just scheduled it for 1 year and didn't warn me it was going to expire or something - that's happened before 18:54:40 Char has joined #aapi 18:55:43 Zakim has joined #aapi 18:55:57 zakim, this will be appi 18:55:57 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Char 18:56:05 zakim, this will be AAPI 18:56:05 ok, Char, I see Team_(aapi)19:00Z already started 18:56:14 rrsagent, make logs public 18:56:21 Scribe: Char James-Tanny 18:56:27 Meeting: AAPI 18:56:35 Chair: Cynthia Shelly 18:56:52 lweiss has joined #aapi 18:58:32 jkiss has joined #aapi 18:59:18 zakim, who's here? 18:59:18 On the phone I see no one 18:59:20 On IRC I see jkiss, lweiss, Zakim, Char, MichaelC, RRSAgent, davidb 18:59:35 zakim, who's here? 18:59:35 On the phone I see no one 18:59:36 On IRC I see jkiss, lweiss, Zakim, Char, MichaelC, RRSAgent, davidb 19:01:22 MichaelC, Zakim doesn't know we're here...??? 19:02:28 On phone: Jason Kiss, Steve Faulkner, Char James-Tanny, Larry Weiss 19:05:00 Topic: Action Item review 19:05:10 Last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2012/03/27-aapi-minutes.html 19:05:16 Jason has already completed his action items 19:05:31 Action: Char to add last week's to-do items to wiki 19:06:05 Jason has added himself as editor to our latest doc 19:07:51 Stevef has joined #aapi 19:07:58 zakim, who's here? 19:07:58 On the phone I see no one 19:07:59 On IRC I see Stevef, jkiss, lweiss, Zakim, Char, MichaelC, RRSAgent, davidb 19:09:15 Jason discussing "inserted/deleted" options and how they work with screen readers before final version is released 19:11:04 Tags could be used to identify inserted and deleted tags. (Currently, cues are visual, but that doesn't work for screen readers.) 19:19:44 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242829 19:20:31 Jason added AXDateField and AXTimeField to specific date and time fields for the Mac. 19:21:05 Jason made a few more tweaks to display of details and summary. Instead of an arrow that toggles, a plus and minus sign control the information. 19:21:42 Jason also modified some of the colors for better contrast. 19:22:37 Char still has to convert the to-do list into two separate tables (to-do and completed). 19:24:04 Steve Faulkner asks if there is any plan for adding more information to the doc? 19:24:33 Jason hasn't been able to get in touch with James Craig from Apple (trying to reach out to someone else), and will contact Marko Zehe about Firefox. 19:25:03 cyns has joined #aapi 19:25:18 Steve suggested that Jason contact Mozilla through their Accessibility IRC channel 19:26:01 Action: Steve will look for the gaps in the document and what we need to be looking at, and will come up with at least the start of a plan for getting the rest done. 19:26:06 davidb thx. 19:26:11 np 19:28:10 Steve says that there are two definitions for longdesc going around, and he needs to add it to our doc. 19:28:59 Cynthia says that IE's implementation has been around for a long time. 19:30:47 David discussed ARIA-DescribedBy, says it's treated like longdesc. 19:32:19 in some cases ;) 19:32:54 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652635 19:33:33 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740812 19:34:02 Steve doesn't think that forcing a new window isn't a good idea (for longdesc) 19:37:38 David says that longdesc could be applied to other elements. (But people may have issues with doing this.) 19:38:01 I lost connection 19:38:12 go on without me :) 19:38:21 s/Steve doesn't think/Steve thinks 19:39:41 right 19:44:39 Steve thinks that we need a plan to populate the information (and know who will do what). 19:44:59 Cynthia says that we know who owns which columns (but that information needs to be transferred to the wiki). 19:45:37 Action: Char to find the minutes with the information and add it to the wiki. 19:48:53 (Information is in minutes from Jan 24 2012: Cynthia owns MSAA, Jason owns Mac, etc.) 19:51:09 Action: Jason will add Steve's information from webkit (for HTML5 elements). 19:53:02 Action: Cynthia will starting thinking about our long-term plans. 19:53:16 Action: Steve will ask Rich to submit bugs. 19:55:21 Webkit has added native landmark support for header and footer. (Similar to Mozilla.) Header is no longer a banner landmark; footer remains a content-info landmark. 19:56:05 This is an issue because the standard suggests that there should only be one content-info landmark per page. 20:02:45 Action: Jason to change stylesheet back 20:02:57 Action: Jason to change to "editor's draft" 20:03:22 Action: Jason to fix broken link and year (says "2011", not "2012") 20:04:03 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html 20:04:15 (link is to editor's draft) 20:05:21 http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/W3C-ED 20:06:18 zakim, who's here? 20:06:18 On the phone I see no one 20:06:19 On IRC I see cyns, Stevef, jkiss, lweiss, Zakim, Char, MichaelC, RRSAgent, davidb 20:07:20 On phone: Cynthia Shelly, Steve Faulkner, Jason Kiss, Larry Weiss, Char James-Tanny, David Bolter 20:07:35 zakim, bye 20:07:35 Zakim has left #aapi 20:07:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 20:07:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/03-aapi-minutes.html Char 20:08:01 lweiss has left #aapi 20:20:39 MichaelC, are you there? 20:21:28 For when you see this: our minutes are co-mingled with another group. See http://www.w3.org/2012/04/03-aapi-minutes.html. 20:23:01 I've read through http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm, but I don't see how to edit the minutes through IRC. And I really shouldn't edit them anyway because I don't know how to separate the two groups. 20:25:46 Andi has joined #aapi 21:08:29 got it :-) Thanks, Michael! 21:11:59 jkiss has joined #aapi 21:15:08 thx :) 21:39:51 jkiss has joined #aapi 21:41:24 jkiss has left #aapi