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17:45:37 <olivier> zakim, this will be audio
17:45:37 <Zakim> ok, olivier; I see RWC_Audio()2:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
17:45:49 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2012JanMar/0547.html
17:45:59 <olivier> Agenda+ ISSUE-8: numberOfOutputs of RealtimeAnalyserNode
17:46:11 <olivier> Agenda+ ISSUE-4: Setting sample rates for individual JavaScriptProcessingNodes
17:46:18 <olivier> Agenda+ ISSUE-6: AudioParam constructor
17:46:22 <olivier> Scribe: Olivier
17:46:26 <olivier> ScribeNick: Olivier
17:46:29 <olivier> Chair: Al
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17:53:17 <FILT3R> zakim, please excuse us
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17:53:54 <FILT3R> rrsagent, please excuse us
17:54:06 <FILT3R> kk
17:54:31 <FILT3R> ok thanks shepazu
17:55:00 <olivier> F1LT3R, I already set up the meeting :)
17:55:02 <Alistair> ah
17:55:09 <Alistair> lol thankyou! :)
17:55:21 <Alistair> zakim, agenda
17:55:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', Alistair
17:55:26 <olivier> agenda?
17:55:33 <olivier> right
17:55:39 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2012JanMar/0547.html
17:55:47 <olivier> zakim, this will be audio
17:55:47 <Zakim> ok, olivier; I see RWC_Audio()2:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
17:55:51 <olivier> Agenda+ ISSUE-8: numberOfOutputs of RealtimeAnalyserNode
17:55:54 <olivier> Agenda+ ISSUE-4: Setting sample rates for individual JavaScriptProcessingNodes
17:55:57 <olivier> Agenda+ ISSUE-6: AudioParam constructor
17:56:01 <olivier> Scribe: Olivier
17:56:04 <olivier> Chair: Al
17:56:07 <olivier> ScribeNick: Olivier
17:56:26 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()2:00PM has now started
17:56:27 <Zakim> +??P3
17:56:33 <Al> zakim, ??P3 is Al
17:56:33 <Zakim> +Al; got it
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17:58:33 <gcardoso> hi! I am trying to reach the call via the Europe bridge +33.4.89.06.34.99... no answer
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17:58:56 <Al> Agenda+ Action-42: Jussi to document FFT Node
17:59:32 <Al> Agenda+ Action-41: "Someone" to document Out of Range FFT Size
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18:00:56 <Zakim> +??P6
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18:00:57 <Zakim> +??P6
18:00:59 <Zakim> +CRogers
18:01:26 <gcardoso> zakim, ??P6 is really
18:01:26 <Zakim> +really; got it
18:01:28 <Zakim> +??P12
18:01:55 <gcardoso> zakim, really is me
18:01:55 <Zakim> +gcardoso; got it
18:02:06 <olivier> zakim, ??P12 is me
18:02:07 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
18:02:27 <jernoble> is the passcode the normal one today? I'm being told it's incorrect.
18:02:46 <olivier> should be - AUDIO
18:02:56 <olivier> Regrets: Doug, Joe, ROC
18:03:36 <olivier> agenda?
18:05:21 <Zakim> + +1.206.876.aaaa
18:05:36 <olivier> zakim, aaaa is Cwilson
18:05:36 <Zakim> +Cwilson; got it
18:05:46 <Zakim> + +1.408.772.aabb
18:05:59 <jernoble> Zakim aabb is me.
18:06:07 <Zakim> +??P13
18:06:20 <olivier> zakim, ??P13 is jussi
18:06:20 <Zakim> +jussi; got it
18:06:28 <jernoble> Zakim, aabb is jernoble
18:06:28 <Zakim> +jernoble; got it
18:06:32 <Al> zakim, next agendum
18:06:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ISSUE-8: numberOfOutputs of RealtimeAnalyserNode" taken up [from olivier]
18:06:49 <olivier> Present: Al, Olivier, Cwilson, Crogers, Jussi, Jer, Gabriel
18:06:59 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
18:06:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Al, gcardoso, CRogers, olivier, Cwilson, jernoble, jussi
18:07:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see chris, jernoble, Zakim, Al, RRSAgent, olivier, gcardoso, foolip, colinbdclark, kennyluck, paul___irish, shepazu, F1LT3R, kinetik, trackbot, jussi
18:07:03 <Al> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/issues/8
18:07:37 <olivier> Al: seems like you have to create an obscure graph for the realtimeanalysernode to function as expected
18:07:56 <olivier> CRogers: would not say obscure, but the node does need for it to have an output
18:08:13 <olivier> … a lot of people think it should just have an input - hang at the end of the graph
18:08:42 <olivier> … got one e-mail from James, and another out of the blue
18:08:57 <olivier> … may be more intuitive if it worked that way, even if it's not the way it works now
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18:09:32 <olivier> CRogers: of course you need an input connected for it to work
18:09:41 <olivier> you could connect the output if you wanted to, as a pass-through
18:09:55 <olivier> Al: seems like an issue where everybody agrees
18:10:06 <olivier> [General agreement]
18:11:03 <olivier> Olivier: are we agreeing that the output should be optional, or none?
18:11:20 <olivier> [general agreement on optional]
18:11:27 <olivier> Resolution: make the output for the realtimeanalysernode optional
18:11:48 <Al> zakim, next agendum
18:11:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-4: Setting sample rates for individual JavaScriptProcessingNodes" taken up [from olivier]
18:12:04 <olivier> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/issues/84
18:12:40 <olivier> Al: question on how to handle sources with different sample rates
18:13:14 <olivier> CRogers: proposed solution is that the audio context in its constructor could give the desired sample rate as a constructor argument
18:13:28 <olivier> … currently not the case, the sample rate chosen to be that of the audio hardware
18:13:53 <olivier> … doesn't mean that each node could have a specific sample rate though, but would solve most of the problem
18:14:10 <olivier> Jussi: agree it would solve the problem, seems to complicated to add a resample node at this point
18:14:24 <olivier> CRogers: seems like a good way to go
18:14:59 <olivier> Al: would a stream be automatically resampled them?
18:15:20 <olivier> … was assuming from discussion in mailing-list that there could be sources with different sample rates
18:15:45 <olivier> CRogers: even the current web audio API handles heterogeneous sample rates fine
18:15:55 <olivier> … the sample rate is converted automatically
18:15:57 <olivier> q+
18:16:43 <olivier> CRogers: in most cases it does not matter, but in Jussi's case (decoding an MP3 file at a specific sample rate) it would make sense
18:17:07 <olivier> Al: I understand your solution would cover Jussi's use case?
18:17:22 <olivier> CRogers: I believe so. you create a simple graph with a given sample rate
18:17:44 <olivier> Jussi: it fixes most of the problem. Would have to treat different sources in different graphs 
18:18:12 <olivier> … edge cases would still be complicated, would have to implement resampling
18:18:19 <Al> ack Olivier
18:19:22 <Al> Olivier: Chris, you said the web audio api implementation already handles hetrogeneous sample rates just fine. Has this been specified / documented at this stage? And is there a risk that would be implemented differently by different developers?
18:20:11 <olivier> CRogers: we could yes, but it's assumed - it doesn't make sense not to. I don't believe the HTML5 spec covers such a scenario
18:20:38 <Al> Olivier: If there is a good reason to spec. it. If not, fine.
18:20:47 <olivier> CRogers: I would just leave it as it is
18:20:56 <olivier> Olivier: fine with me 
18:22:03 <olivier> Al: can we record resolution?
18:22:24 <olivier> Olivier: seems like we have consensus around a solution that would work for most cases
18:22:53 <olivier> CRogers: would like to point out that default sample rate is best (performance wise) so the spec should say that it's better not to add it unless needed
18:23:09 <olivier> Jussi: agreed
18:23:16 <olivier> Olivier: makes sense
18:23:59 <olivier> Resolution: add a constructor parameter for audio context to specify sample rate - make sure to specify that default is best unless needed
18:24:24 <Al> zakim, next agendum
18:24:24 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-6: AudioParam constructor" taken up [from olivier]
18:24:59 <olivier> Al: wondering where we stand on this one
18:25:10 <olivier> … ROC would have some input but sent regrets
18:25:17 <olivier> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/issues/46
18:25:59 <olivier> Jussi: been working on some effects using javascriptnode - would be useful if the javascriptnode could also create audioparams for themselves
18:26:22 <olivier> CRogers: yes, Jussi came up with the most minimal API that would cover this
18:27:14 <olivier> … probably nothing wrong with it, but we'll have to be careful, especially in the context of the integration with webRTC
18:27:26 <olivier> … seems like this may be hard to implement
18:27:48 <olivier> Al: wondering what we would lose if we don't have it in the 1st version of the spec
18:28:18 <olivier> CRogers: we would most lose the ability for a javascriptnode to leverage the audioparam API
18:28:31 <olivier> … you could probably implement it in your own code, probably less performant
18:28:41 <olivier> … but there are ways to deal with it in JS without it
18:28:57 <olivier> … would be useful, but sounds like icing on the cake for me
18:29:49 <olivier> Jussi: agreed - it's more boilerplate for developers
18:30:04 <olivier> Al: is this something that would be wise to put in 2nd version of the spec
18:30:14 <olivier> CRogers: happy to leave this open, not focus on it right now
18:32:14 <olivier> Olivier: we should ask people if they absolutely need it, if not I agree we should close this as LATER
18:32:38 <olivier> ACTION: Al to ask for feedback on making ISSUE-6 a "nice to have" that we may not include in version 1 of the web audio API
18:32:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Al
18:32:53 <olivier> ACTION: Alistair to ask for feedback on making ISSUE-6 a "nice to have" that we may not include in version 1 of the web audio API
18:32:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Ask for feedback on making ISSUE-6 a "nice to have" that we may not include in version 1 of the web audio API [on Alistair MacDonald - due 2012-04-09].
18:33:31 <Al> zakim, next agendum
18:33:31 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Action-42: Jussi to document FFT Node" taken up [from Al]
18:33:51 <olivier> Al: just checking on progress
18:34:01 <olivier> Jussi: haven't had time to get started - will do ASAP
18:34:17 <Al> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/42
18:34:22 <Al> zakim, next agendum
18:34:22 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, Al
18:35:00 <olivier> (ACTION-42 postponed 1 week)
18:35:03 <Al> zakim, next agendum
18:35:03 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Action-41: "Someone" to document Out of Range FFT Size" taken up [from Al]
18:35:29 <Al> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/41
18:35:32 <olivier> Al: so far we don't have volunteers to document this issue
18:36:48 <olivier> CRogers: will be changing the values, they were provisional
18:37:00 <olivier> … the spec currently doesn't say anything about rangers
18:37:04 <olivier> s/rangers/ranges/
18:37:17 <olivier> … those values probably come from source
18:37:21 <olivier> Al: or someone testing it
18:37:30 <olivier> CRogers: the action should be to update the spec
18:37:49 <olivier> CRogers: I can update that
18:38:09 <olivier> Al: will update
18:39:16 <jussi> ^^
18:39:23 <olivier> ADJOURNED
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18:40:02 <Zakim> -Al
18:40:02 <Zakim> -olivier
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18:40:06 <Zakim> -jussi
18:40:09 <olivier> rrsagent, make logs public
18:40:17 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
18:40:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/02-audio-minutes.html olivier
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19:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Al, CRogers, gcardoso, olivier, +1.206.876.aaaa, Cwilson, +1.408.772.aabb, jussi, jernoble
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