IRC log of wai-wcag on 2012-03-29
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/29-wai-wcag-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 29 March 2012
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012JanMar/0110.html
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- chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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- zakim, IPcaller is adam_solomon
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- +adam_solomon; got it
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +Cooper
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- zakim, Microsoft is Cherie_Ekholm
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- +Cherie_Ekholm; got it
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Kathy
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- +Marc_Johlic
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- scribe: MichaelC
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- topic: LC-2603 : Link text identical? https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120329misc/results#x2603
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- RESOLUTION: Accepted with edits
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- topic: Failure Technique : Failure of Success Criterion 1.3.1 for not correctly marking up table headers https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120329misc/results#xtabhead
- 20:22:18 [MichaelC]
- some doubt about whether example one is always a failure
- 20:22:38 [MichaelC]
- example 2 seems like a failure but there are many ways to pass
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- test procedure is too strict, would rule out too much
- 20:38:53 [Loretta]
- Notes frm March 29, 2012 telecnference: We dn't think example is necessarily a failure. Split, and we can discuss separately? Example 2 is a failure; headers are not programmatically determined What about using id/header attributes to indicate headers? What about using ARIA to indicate headers? Suggestion: discuss common ways that headers can be marked up as part of the description; change test procedure to check that table headers are
- 20:39:18 [Loretta]
- a test, but should prevent us from overconstraining the author.
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- -adam_solomon
- 20:42:06 [MichaelC]
- topic: Failure Technique : Failure of Success Criterion 1.3.1 for incorrectly associating table headers and content via the headers and id attributes https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120329misc/results#xtabid
- 20:47:24 [Loretta]
- The description is not clear enough about what the problem is; we needed to study the code example clearly and discuss it together to determine that the problem was that data cells were being associated with the wrong headers. It was not, for instance, a syntax problem with the way that the id and header attributes were being used. Please write a longer description that helps people understand the problem clearly.
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- * This failure is applicable to any table that uses id and header attributes, not just to complex tables.
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 20:51:22 [Loretta]
- * We suggest that the description of the example explicitly point out which markup in the example is in error.
- 20:52:25 [MichaelC]
- zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been Bruce_Bailey, adam_solomon, Cooper, Cherie_Ekholm, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Kathy, Marc_Johlic
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Bruce_Bailey, adam_solomon, Cooper, Cherie_Ekholm, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Kathy, Marc_Johlic
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items