IRC log of html-wg on 2012-03-22

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Zakim, this will be html_wg
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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 22 March 2012
15:54:33 [glenn]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see ??P6
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, tantek, glenn, ArtB, miketaylr, Lachy, gsnedders, nonge_, karl, lgombos__, drublic, logbot, arronei, shepazu, kennyluck, danielfilho, Jedi, Philip,
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... Hixie, Dashiva, mastensg, hsivonen, ed, webben, hober, slightlyoff, lgombos, pingo, trackbot, heycam|away, hiro_away, inimino, [tm], jmb, krijnh, CIA-1, rektide, paul___irish,
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... johndrinkwater, jgraham, gavin
15:54:41 [glenn]
zakim, ??p6 is glenn
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+glenn; got it
15:54:42 [tantek]
15:54:51 [glenn]
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Chair: sam
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Scribe: glenn
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15:56:11 [ArtB]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate ArtB
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RRSAgent, make log Public
15:57:39 [glenn]
zakim, mute me
15:57:39 [Zakim]
sorry, glenn, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
15:58:08 [tantek]
now that is hilarious
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i guess i should talk to myself at this point ... ;)
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15:58:45 [eliot]
zakim, microsoft is me
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+eliot; got it
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15:59:26 [rubys]
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trackbot, start meeting
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be html_wg
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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 22 March 2012
16:00:49 [glenn]
Chair: rubys
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Scribe: glenn
16:01:02 [glenn]
16:01:19 [Zakim]
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16:01:47 [eliot]
zakim, microsoft is me
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+eliot; got it
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+ +1.415.832.aaaa
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16:03:20 [krisk]
zakim, Microsoft is krisk
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+krisk; got it
16:03:39 [glenn]
Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, March 22
16:03:47 [glenn]
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Topic: New Issues This Week
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Topic: Items Closed Last Week
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ISSUE-187: validity-stability, Agree/Disagree to Amicable Resolution closed Mar 13
16:04:14 [glenn]
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ISSUE-187 Document conformance has to be stable over the time notes added
16:04:22 [glenn]
rubys: no objections
16:04:36 [glenn]
ISSUE-80 was incorrectly included
16:04:39 [rubys]
16:04:47 [glenn]
ISSUE-131: caret-location-API, Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 14
16:04:47 [glenn]
16:04:48 [trackbot]
ISSUE-131 Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? notes added
16:04:58 [glenn]
ISSUE-158: object-content-model, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 14
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ISSUE-158 HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue notes added
16:05:06 [glenn]
ISSUE-205: text-editing-canvas, Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 14
16:05:06 [glenn]
16:05:06 [trackbot]
ISSUE-205 Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. notes added
16:05:12 [glenn]
ISSUE-179: av_param, Agree/Disagree to Amicable Resolution closed Mar 15
16:05:13 [glenn]
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ISSUE-179 {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) notes added
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Topic: Items Closing This Week
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ISSUE-193: inaccessible-example, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:05:37 [glenn]
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ISSUE-193 Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content notes added
16:05:49 [glenn]
rubys: will go to CfC shortly
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ISSUE-194: full-transcript, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:05:54 [glenn]
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ISSUE-194 Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. notes added
16:05:56 [Judy]
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rubys: have two extension requests
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ISSUE-195: form-http-req, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
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ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms notes added
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rubys: two proposals, chairs will evaluate
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ISSUE-196: ua-http-resp-handling, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
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ISSUE-196 Define user agent http response handling behaviour notes added
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rubys: no counters, next step CfC
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ISSUE-197: accept-file-ext, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
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ISSUE-197 Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values notes added
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ISSUE-199: aria-processing, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
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ISSUE-199 Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes notes added
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16:07:13 [glenn]
rubys: will evaluate
16:07:20 [paulc]
zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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+paulc; got it
16:07:20 [glenn]
ISSUE-201: canvas-fallback, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:07:20 [glenn]
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ISSUE-201 Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content notes added
16:07:27 [glenn]
rubys: has ext request
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ISSUE-190: coding-example, Call for Consensus closes Mar 23
16:07:33 [glenn]
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ISSUE-190 Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images notes added
16:07:35 [Judy]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, Judy
16:07:41 [glenn]
rubys: CfC closes tomorrow
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16:07:50 [glenn]
Topic: Items Closing Next Week
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16:08:05 [adrianba]
zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
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+adrianba; got it
16:08:06 [glenn]
ISSUE-80: title-alternative, Call for Consensus closes Mar 28
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ISSUE-80 document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content notes added
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ISSUE-134: tab-states, Revise Change Proposals closes Mar 28
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ISSUE-134 Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively notes added
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ISSUE-191: ins-del, Revise Change Proposals closes Mar 28
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ISSUE-191 Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution notes added
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ISSUE-200: legend-placement, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 28
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ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements notes added
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Topic: New Calls this week
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16:08:57 [Zakim]
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rubys: double checking...
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16:09:21 [glenn]
rubys: two issued
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... that weren't in agenda
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ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
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rubys: call for alternate CPs or counter CPs
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ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- open
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16:10:12 [glenn]
rubys: CfC
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Topic: New Surveys this week
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Topic: Decisions this week
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Close ISSUE-170 rel-uri-valid by Amicable Resolution
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Close ISSUE-179 av_param by Amicable Resolution
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Close ISSUE-182 footnote-recommendation by Amicable Resolution
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Close ISSUE-187 validity-stability by Amicable Resolution
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Close ISSUE-188: generic-track-format by Amicable Resolution
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Close ISSUE-192 title-attribute by Amicable Resolution
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rubys: questions or comments?
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Topic: Task Force Reports
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Testing Task Force
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krisk: met last week, will meet again on 27h
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Notes ->
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16:12:04 [glenn]
... won't fix bug that existed
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... canvas tests, listed in notes
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Microsoft submitting some Progress and Range Tests
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rubys: questions?
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Accessibility Task Force
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janina?: two main items
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16:13:56 [glenn]
... new canvas section coming from editor
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... not everything is clear, but one thing is clear: straying into approaches inconsistent with html5 time line
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... at least for good a11y support
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... so this is a concern
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... second avenue, aria attribute (ARIA 1.1) proposal...
16:15:11 [Judy]
16:15:11 [glenn]
... like longdesc (ISSUE-30)
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... summarize as some people still want to develop longdesc
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... the describe-at attr should apply to more elements than img
16:15:49 [Zakim]
16:15:51 [glenn]
... aimed at markup, not just html
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... e.g. svg
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... not quite settled
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... maybe 'obsolete but conforming' is acceptable
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... a11y still thinks longdesc is needed today
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... longdesc is implemented, but inconsistently
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... that's it for now
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rubys: doesn't believe current proposals describe longdesc as obsolete but conforming
16:17:51 [Zakim]
16:17:52 [glenn]
janina: correct
16:18:00 [glenn]
rubys: may need new CP or modification
16:18:10 [tantek]
Zakim, IPCaller is me
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+tantek; got it
16:18:16 [glenn]
janina: expects laura is not in favor of "that?"
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Zakim, mute me
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tantek should now be muted
16:18:33 [glenn]
... can beef up proposals
16:18:43 [Judy]
s/"that"/obsolete but conforming
16:19:05 [Judy]
16:19:16 [glenn]
... not to fix described-by but fix ?
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... come up with other additional attribute
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s/"that?"/obsolete but conforming/
16:19:50 [glenn]
... thinks current CP covers problem with described-by
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rubys: questions? comments?
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judy: side note: janina has coord request with Paul, but trying to schedule
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paulc: glad to try
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rubys: other questions? comments?
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Topic: Other Business
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CfC: Publish ten heartbeat drafts as WDs
16:20:57 [glenn]
16:21:04 [glenn]
Revert request r7023
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16:21:25 [glenn]
rubys: extension request, chairs trying to sort out
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F2F registration page
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16:21:47 [glenn]
rubys: everybody should register
16:21:50 [adrianba]
16:21:53 [glenn]
rubys: AOB?
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ack next
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adrianba: ISSUE-180?
16:22:13 [glenn]
16:22:13 [trackbot]
ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
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16:22:19 [adrianba]
16:22:21 [Zakim]
16:22:30 [glenn]
... unable to implement decision due to lack of information
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... CP should have all details
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... no feedback stating otherwise
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... wonders about status of this work
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rubys: not yet applied to spec
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... knows of no specific request for clarification, etc.
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Topic: Scribe for next meeting
16:23:45 [glenn]
paulc: will be chairing
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rubys: is ted available for next meeting?
16:23:56 [glenn]
ted: yes
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ted: volunteers for next meeting
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Topic: Adjournment
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16:24:17 [glenn]
16:24:17 [Zakim]
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- +1.415.832.aaaa
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16:24:33 [glenn]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been glenn, eliot, hober, Sam, +1.415.832.aaaa, krisk, paulc, Judy, [Microsoft], adrianba, Cynthia_Shelly, tantek
16:24:41 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items