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15:54:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:54:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:54:28 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:54:28 <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012
15:54:33 <glenn> zakim, who's here?
15:54:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6
15:54:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, tantek, glenn, ArtB, miketaylr, Lachy, gsnedders, nonge_, karl, lgombos__, drublic, logbot, arronei, shepazu, kennyluck, danielfilho, Jedi, Philip,
15:54:35 <Zakim> ... Hixie, Dashiva, mastensg, hsivonen, ed, webben, hober, slightlyoff, lgombos, pingo, trackbot, heycam|away, hiro_away, inimino, [tm], jmb, krijnh, CIA-1, rektide, paul___irish,
15:54:37 <Zakim> ... johndrinkwater, jgraham, gavin
15:54:41 <glenn> zakim, ??p6 is glenn
15:54:41 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:54:42 <tantek> greetings
15:54:51 <glenn> morning
15:55:02 <glenn> Chair: sam
15:55:05 <glenn> Scribe: glenn
15:55:16 <glenn> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0027.html
15:56:11 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:56:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-html-wg-minutes.html ArtB
15:56:35 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
15:57:39 <glenn> zakim, mute me
15:57:39 <Zakim> sorry, glenn, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
15:58:08 <tantek> now that is hilarious
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15:58:26 <glenn> i guess i should talk to myself at this point ... ;)
15:58:41 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:58:45 <eliot> zakim, microsoft is me
15:58:45 <Zakim> +eliot; got it
15:58:56 <Zakim> +hober
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16:00:35 <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
16:00:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:00:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:00:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:00:41 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:41 <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012
16:00:49 <glenn> Chair: rubys
16:00:54 <glenn> Scribe: glenn
16:01:02 <glenn> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0027.html
16:01:19 <Zakim> -eliot
16:01:28 <Zakim> +Sam
16:01:39 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:01:47 <eliot> zakim, microsoft is me
16:01:50 <krisk> krisk has joined #html-wg
16:01:54 <Zakim> +eliot; got it
16:01:58 <Zakim> + +1.415.832.aaaa
16:02:30 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:03:20 <krisk>  zakim, Microsoft is krisk
16:03:20 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
16:03:39 <glenn> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, March 22
16:03:47 <glenn> None
16:03:50 <glenn> Topic: New Issues This Week
16:03:52 <glenn> None
16:04:01 <glenn> Topic: Items Closed Last Week 
16:04:14 <glenn> ISSUE-187: validity-stability, Agree/Disagree to Amicable Resolution closed Mar 13
16:04:14 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0225.html
16:04:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-187 Document conformance has to be stable over the time notes added
16:04:22 <glenn> rubys: no objections
16:04:36 <glenn> ISSUE-80 was incorrectly included 
16:04:39 <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-080
16:04:47 <glenn> ISSUE-131: caret-location-API, Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 14
16:04:47 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0209.html
16:04:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-131 Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? notes added
16:04:58 <glenn> ISSUE-158: object-content-model, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 14
16:04:58 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0198.html
16:04:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-158 HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue notes added
16:05:06 <glenn> ISSUE-205: text-editing-canvas, Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 14
16:05:06 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0208.html
16:05:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-205 Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. notes added
16:05:12 <glenn> ISSUE-179: av_param, Agree/Disagree to Amicable Resolution closed Mar 15
16:05:13 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0277.html
16:05:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-179 {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) notes added
16:05:30 <glenn> Topic: Items Closing This Week 
16:05:37 <glenn> ISSUE-193: inaccessible-example, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:05:37 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0264.html
16:05:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-193 Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content notes added
16:05:49 <glenn> rubys: will go to CfC shortly
16:05:54 <glenn> ISSUE-194: full-transcript, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:05:54 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0266.html
16:05:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-194 Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. notes added
16:05:56 <Judy> Judy has joined #html-wg
16:06:05 <glenn> rubys: have two extension requests
16:06:08 <paulc> paulc has joined #html-wg
16:06:14 <glenn> ISSUE-195: form-http-req, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:06:15 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0263.html
16:06:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms notes added
16:06:26 <glenn> rubys: two proposals, chairs will evaluate
16:06:32 <glenn> ISSUE-196: ua-http-resp-handling, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:06:32 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0268.html
16:06:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-196 Define user agent http response handling behaviour notes added
16:06:45 <glenn> rubys: no counters, next step CfC
16:06:49 <glenn> ISSUE-197: accept-file-ext, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:06:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-197 Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values notes added
16:06:49 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0265.html
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16:07:04 <glenn> ISSUE-199: aria-processing, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:07:04 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0269.html
16:07:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-199 Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes notes added
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16:07:10 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:07:13 <glenn> rubys: will evaluate
16:07:20 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:07:20 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:07:20 <glenn> ISSUE-201: canvas-fallback, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 21
16:07:20 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0267.html
16:07:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-201 Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content notes added
16:07:27 <glenn> rubys: has ext request
16:07:32 <glenn> ISSUE-190: coding-example, Call for Consensus closes Mar 23
16:07:33 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0463.html
16:07:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images notes added
16:07:35 <Judy> zakim, code?
16:07:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Judy
16:07:41 <glenn> rubys: CfC closes tomorrow
16:07:42 <Zakim> +Judy
16:07:50 <glenn> Topic: Items Closing Next Week 
16:07:52 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:08:05 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
16:08:05 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
16:08:06 <glenn> ISSUE-80: title-alternative, Call for Consensus closes Mar 28
16:08:06 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0603.html
16:08:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-80 document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content notes added
16:08:15 <glenn> ISSUE-134: tab-states, Revise Change Proposals closes Mar 28
16:08:15 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0547.html
16:08:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-134 Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively notes added
16:08:20 <glenn> ISSUE-191: ins-del, Revise Change Proposals closes Mar 28
16:08:20 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0128.html
16:08:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-191 Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution notes added
16:08:26 <glenn> ISSUE-200: legend-placement, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 28
16:08:26 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0466.html
16:08:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements notes added
16:08:42 <glenn> Topic: New Calls this week 
16:08:49 <glenn> None
16:08:57 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:08:59 <glenn> rubys: double checking...
16:09:02 <Zakim> +??P22
16:09:21 <glenn> rubys: two issued
16:09:32 <glenn> ... that weren't in agenda
16:09:39 <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0602.html
16:09:39 <glenn> ISSUE-204?
16:09:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
16:09:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
16:09:40 <dsinger> dsinger has joined #html-wg
16:09:56 <glenn> rubys: call for alternate CPs or counter CPs
16:10:04 <janina> janina has joined #html-wg
16:10:04 <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0603.html
16:10:05 <glenn> ISSUE-80?
16:10:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- open
16:10:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
16:10:12 <glenn> rubys: CfC
16:10:21 <glenn> Topic: New Surveys this week 
16:10:24 <glenn> None
16:10:29 <glenn> Topic: Decisions this week 
16:10:39 <glenn> Close ISSUE-170 rel-uri-valid by Amicable Resolution
16:10:39 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0553.html
16:10:44 <glenn> Close ISSUE-179 av_param by Amicable Resolution
16:10:44 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0554.html
16:10:48 <glenn> Close ISSUE-182 footnote-recommendation by Amicable Resolution
16:10:48 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0555.html
16:10:53 <glenn> Close ISSUE-187 validity-stability by Amicable Resolution
16:10:53 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0556.html
16:10:58 <glenn> Close ISSUE-188: generic-track-format by Amicable Resolution
16:10:58 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.html
16:11:02 <glenn> Close ISSUE-192 title-attribute by Amicable Resolution
16:11:02 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0558.html
16:11:17 <glenn> rubys: questions or comments?
16:11:23 <glenn> Topic: Task Force Reports 
16:11:28 <glenn> Testing Task Force 
16:11:44 <glenn> krisk: met last week, will meet again on 27h
16:11:49 <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Mar/0005.html
16:11:50 <glenn> s/27h/27th/
16:12:04 <glenn> ... won't fix bug that existed
16:12:07 <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15042
16:12:24 <glenn> ... canvas tests, listed in notes
16:12:36 <krisk> Microsoft submitting some Progress and Range Tests
16:13:04 <glenn> rubys: questions?
16:13:12 <glenn> Accessibility Task Force
16:13:44 <glenn> janina?: two main items
16:13:54 <rubys> s/janina?/janina/
16:13:56 <glenn> ... new canvas section coming from editor
16:14:17 <glenn> ... not everything is clear, but one thing is clear: straying into approaches inconsistent with html5 time line
16:14:29 <glenn> ... at least for good a11y support
16:14:36 <glenn> ... so this is a concern
16:15:00 <glenn> ... second avenue, aria attribute (ARIA 1.1) proposal...
16:15:11 <Judy> s/proposal/draft/
16:15:11 <glenn> ... like longdesc (ISSUE-30)
16:15:30 <glenn> ... summarize as some people still want to develop longdesc
16:15:45 <glenn> ... the describe-at attr should apply to more elements than img
16:15:49 <Zakim> +??P43
16:15:51 <glenn> ... aimed at markup, not just html
16:15:57 <glenn> ... e.g. svg
16:16:04 <glenn> ... not quite settled
16:16:16 <glenn> ... maybe 'obsolete but conforming' is acceptable
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16:16:31 <glenn> ... a11y still thinks longdesc is needed today
16:17:16 <glenn> ... longdesc is implemented, but inconsistently
16:17:29 <glenn> ... that's it for now
16:17:47 <glenn> rubys: doesn't believe current proposals describe longdesc as obsolete but conforming
16:17:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:17:52 <glenn> janina: correct
16:18:00 <glenn> rubys: may need new CP or modification
16:18:10 <tantek> Zakim, IPCaller is me
16:18:10 <Zakim> +tantek; got it
16:18:16 <glenn> janina: expects laura is not in favor of "that?"
16:18:16 <tantek> Zakim, mute me
16:18:16 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
16:18:33 <glenn> ... can beef up proposals
16:18:43 <Judy> s/"that"/obsolete but conforming
16:19:05 <Judy> s/?//
16:19:16 <glenn> ... not to fix described-by but fix ?
16:19:32 <glenn> ... come up with other additional attribute
16:19:46 <Judy> s/"that?"/obsolete but conforming/
16:19:50 <glenn> ... thinks current CP covers problem with described-by
16:20:06 <glenn> rubys: questions? comments?
16:20:20 <glenn> judy: side note: janina has coord request with Paul, but trying to schedule
16:20:29 <glenn> paulc: glad to try
16:20:43 <glenn> rubys: other questions? comments?
16:20:49 <glenn> Topic: Other Business 
16:20:57 <glenn> CfC: Publish ten heartbeat drafts as WDs
16:20:57 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0247.html
16:21:04 <glenn> Revert request r7023
16:21:04 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0491.html
16:21:25 <glenn> rubys: extension request, chairs trying to sort out
16:21:38 <glenn> F2F registration page
16:21:38 <glenn>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0488.html
16:21:47 <glenn> rubys: everybody should register
16:21:50 <adrianba> q+
16:21:53 <glenn> rubys: AOB?
16:21:58 <rubys> ack next
16:22:09 <glenn> adrianba: ISSUE-180?
16:22:13 <glenn> ISSUE-180?
16:22:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
16:22:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
16:22:19 <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0511.html
16:22:21 <Zakim> -tantek
16:22:30 <glenn> ... unable to implement decision due to lack of information
16:22:37 <glenn> ... CP should have all details
16:22:44 <glenn> ... no feedback stating otherwise
16:22:50 <glenn> ... wonders about status of this work
16:22:57 <glenn> rubys: not yet applied to spec
16:23:21 <glenn> ... knows of no specific request for clarification, etc.
16:23:36 <glenn> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
16:23:45 <glenn> paulc: will be chairing
16:23:53 <glenn> rubys: is ted available for next meeting?
16:23:56 <glenn> ted: yes
16:24:05 <glenn> ted: volunteers for next meeting
16:24:10 <glenn> Topic: Adjournment
16:24:10 <Zakim> -adrianba
16:24:12 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:24:13 <Zakim> -hober
16:24:14 <Zakim> -??P43
16:24:17 <glenn> adjourned
16:24:17 <Zakim> -eliot
16:24:19 <Zakim> - +1.415.832.aaaa
16:24:21 <Zakim> -krisk
16:24:33 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
16:24:33 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:24:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been glenn, eliot, hober, Sam, +1.415.832.aaaa, krisk, paulc, Judy, [Microsoft], adrianba, Cynthia_Shelly, tantek
16:24:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:24:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-html-wg-minutes.html trackbot
16:24:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:24:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items