13:56:57 RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:56:57 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-gld-irc 13:56:59 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:56:59 Zakim has joined #gld 13:57:01 Zakim, this will be GLD 13:57:01 ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 13:57:02 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 13:57:02 Date: 15 March 2012 13:57:12 deirdrelee has joined #gld 13:57:26 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started 13:57:34 +bhyland 13:57:35 + +1.202.566.aaaa 13:57:59 +sandro 13:58:06 zakim, aaaa is Mike_P 13:58:06 +Mike_P; got it 13:59:15 sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120315 13:59:32 PhilA2 has joined #gld 14:00:11 +[IPcaller] 14:00:11 Linked Data Glossary, see https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html 14:00:19 zakim, IPcaller is me 14:00:19 +DaveReynolds; got it 14:00:27 +[LC] 14:00:32 +[IPcaller] 14:01:13 boris has joined #gld 14:01:18 zakim, IPcaller deirdrelee 14:01:18 I don't understand 'IPcaller deirdrelee', bhyland 14:01:26 zakim, code? 14:01:26 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris 14:01:28 Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld 14:01:30 zakim, IPcaller is deirdrelee 14:01:30 +deirdrelee; got it 14:01:35 +fadmaa 14:01:38 fadmaa has joined #gld 14:01:38 zakim, who is on the call? 14:01:38 On the phone I see bhyland, Mike_P, sandro, DaveReynolds, [LC], deirdrelee, fadmaa 14:02:04 +??P21 14:02:10 luis_bermudez has joined #gld 14:02:21 +??P24 14:02:22 ??p21 is me 14:02:27 zakim, ??P24 is me 14:02:29 Hi. I will connect via phone in 10 min 14:02:32 zakim, mute me 14:02:36 +martin; got it 14:02:37 + +1.202.691.aabb 14:02:37 zqakim, ??p21 is me. 14:02:39 +??P26 14:02:42 zakim, mute me 14:02:44 fadmaa should now be muted 14:02:47 zakim, ?p21 is me. 14:02:49 zakim, ??P6 is boris 14:02:57 martin should now be muted 14:03:01 sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '?p21' 14:03:02 zakim, ??p21 is me. 14:03:06 I already had ??P6 as Plh, boris 14:03:11 scribe: DaveReynolds 14:03:18 +olyerickson; got it 14:03:22 scribenick: DaveReynolds 14:03:29 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120315 14:03:45 +[IPcaller] 14:03:47 zakim, IPcaller is me 14:03:50 zakim, who is on the call? 14:03:52 +PhilA2; got it 14:03:53 On the phone I see bhyland, Mike_P, sandro, DaveReynolds, [LC], deirdrelee, fadmaa (muted), olyerickson, martin (muted), +1.202.691.aabb, ??P26, PhilA2 14:04:10 zakim, aabb is DanG 14:04:10 +DanG; got it 14:04:30 zakim, P26 is boris 14:04:30 sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'P26' 14:04:32 zakim, ??P6 IS BORIS 14:04:32 I already had ??P6 as Plh, boris 14:04:38 zakim, ??P6 is boris 14:04:38 I already had ??P6 as Plh, boris 14:04:48 +George_Thomas 14:05:01 zakim, ??P26 is Boris 14:05:01 +Boris; got it 14:05:02 George has joined #gld 14:05:43 gatemezi has joined #gld 14:05:52 + +91.80.49.06.aacc 14:06:04 Propose to accept minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-03-08 14:06:16 tinagheen has joined #gld 14:06:37 +1 14:06:39 +gatemezi 14:06:39 +1 accept minutes 14:06:46 -gatemezi 14:06:53 +1 accept minutes 14:06:56 +1 14:07:03 +1 14:07:07 Biplav has joined #gld 14:07:58 +gatemezi 14:08:08 bhyland: requested people, dcat, org, data cube to first pass WD 14:08:18 Terrific news! Well done to the folk who've worked hard on those 14:08:27 -gatemezi 14:08:44 Zakim, who is here? 14:08:44 On the phone I see bhyland, Mike_P, sandro, DaveReynolds, [LC], deirdrelee, fadmaa (muted), olyerickson, martin (muted), DanG, Boris, PhilA2, George_Thomas, +91.80.49.06.aacc 14:08:47 On IRC I see Biplav, tinagheen, gatemezi, luis_bermudez, fadmaa, Mike_Pendleton, boris, PhilA2, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DanG, martin, DaveReynolds, MacTed, bhyland, 14:08:47 ... olyerickson, trackbot, sandro 14:09:10 +gatemezi 14:09:37 zakim, who is on the phone. 14:09:37 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', olyerickson 14:09:56 Let me start with http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/03/interoperable_governments.html 14:10:01 topic: PhilA update on ADMS and ISA vocabs 14:10:03 Topic: Update on the ADMS spec and ISA eGov core vocabs 14:10:11 Zakim, [LC] is me 14:10:11 +tinagheen; got it 14:10:48 chair: GeorgeThomas 14:11:22 PhilA2: ISA producing three core vocabs. 14:11:27 +lbermudez 14:11:37 PhilA2: People - soley a natural person (not businesses-as-people etc) 14:11:53 PhilA2: business - to describe legal entities, subsets of organizations 14:12:10 PhilA2: location - address information, intended to be INSPIRE compliant 14:13:03 PhilA2: ISA person can be used as a subset of W3C people vocab 14:13:26 PhilA2: ISA business not directly connected to org (though compatible?) 14:13:59 PhilA2: Fourth vocab. ADMS. Asset Descriptions Metadata Schema. 14:15:10 PhilA2: It is relevant for GLD. Government institutions are publishing assets like code lists, standards, vocabs. ADMS is for describing those (c.f. DCAT for describing datasets themselves). 14:15:13 George has joined #gld 14:15:27 zakim, who is here? 14:15:27 On the phone I see bhyland, Mike_P, sandro, DaveReynolds, tinagheen, deirdrelee, fadmaa (muted), olyerickson, martin (muted), DanG, Boris, PhilA2, George_Thomas, +91.80.49.06.aacc, 14:15:27 http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/ 14:15:30 ... gatemezi, lbermudez 14:15:30 On IRC I see George, Biplav, tinagheen, gatemezi, luis_bermudez, fadmaa, Mike_Pendleton, boris, PhilA2, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DanG, martin, DaveReynolds, MacTed, bhyland, 14:15:31 ... olyerickson, trackbot, sandro 14:15:33 PhilA2: ADMS being implemented by joinup platform 14:15:47 http://digitaliser.dk/ 14:15:49 PhilA2: ADMS also being used by Danish portal 14:15:52 q? 14:16:20 PhilA2: W3C will also use AMDS for TR descriptions 14:18:03 PhilA2: Now suggesting that GLD take on all four of the vocabularies. 14:18:45 PhilA2: All of them match existing GLD charter. 14:20:22 PhilA2: Are being asked to take result of EU review process as FPWD-ready material. But are, of course, free to then extend and improve before final publication. 14:20:54 q? 14:21:05 PhilA2: All four are intended to ready end of March for targetted FPWD publication in May. 14:21:10 q+ 14:22:13 PhilA2: There is a 5th vocab, for description of open source software. Not being brought to GLD at this time (outside of charter) 14:23:04 PhilA2: It is called RADion - Repository Assets Description 14:23:15 ack bhyland 14:23:18 PhilA2 - very high level, DCAT could be seen as specialization of it (?) 14:24:39 -> RADion details http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0048.html 14:25:16 bhyland: a lot of the heavy lifting has been done on these vocabs, it is a funded effort, they are well documented. Encourages GLD folks to look them and voice opinions on them. 14:25:37 I haven't see region-specific in things I've looked at 14:25:52 bhyland: especially - they should be checked for any region-specific aspects 14:26:14 We've found core business vocab interesting, and will be looking at location at people as well 14:26:20 q? 14:26:58 ADMS is harder to figure out application scope. I get DCAT (obviously), I don't quite get use cases for ADMS 14:27:41 Could PhilA elaborate on ADMS use case (or two) 14:27:53 sandro: asks about timeline guidance for reviewing the vocabs 14:28:06 Note: ADMC Working Group list, see https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/document/adms-working-group 14:28:12 s/ADMC/ADMS 14:28:32 PhilA2: targeting completion 1 week on Friday 14:29:16 -> ADMS http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/home 14:29:24 PhilA2: Aiming that ADMS 1.0 becomes FPWD as is because it is already being implemented. So early identification of major issues would be important. 14:30:31 PhilA2: Feels that FPWD should separate core model from implementation guidance, which are merged in ADMS 0.9/1.0 14:30:46 -deirdrelee 14:30:51 + +1.443.569.aadd 14:30:51 @PhilA, should we be looking at section 5.2 ADMS Core Elements in https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/wiki/adms-specification-v06 14:30:55 PhilA2: Some issues around text v. strings and flagging of machine translation 14:31:07 This problem was solved in ISO/IEC 19773 14:31:12 ZacharyWhitley has joined #gld 14:31:52 I am happy to write a comment to the ADMS 14:31:53 Sorry 19773 is called Metadata Modules 14:31:55 q+ 14:32:11 PhilA2: In particular some of the implementation guide is Europe specific 14:32:13 ack bhyland 14:32:37 +[IPcaller] 14:33:14 http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/blog/adms-version-09-now-available-joinup-consultation 14:33:38 ADMS Namespace doc http://philarcher.org/adms/ADMS_v0.10.rdf 14:35:27 Joinup http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/ 14:36:25 PhilA2: [Clarifying ADMS use cases ...] Joinup is an example use. It provides "semantic assets" - includes vocabularies, code lists, standards. Provides discovery portal for public sector employees to find such assets. 14:37:16 PhilA2: ADMS a vocab for describing these assets. Such an asset is different from a dataset. 14:37:47 RADion UML http://philarcher.org/adms/RADion%20v0.05.png 14:38:03 q? 14:38:21 q+, to ask about registry v. repository 14:38:53 q+ to ask about registry v. repository 14:38:55 PhilA this actually is helpful...thanks... 14:39:17 Yes 14:39:23 ack 14:39:28 ack DaveReynolds 14:39:28 DaveReynolds, you wanted to ask about registry v. repository 14:39:59 PhilA described some very futurey concepts IMHO... 14:40:04 why is geography separated from SKOS concept scheme and concepts? 14:40:54 -sandro 14:41:15 PhilA2: is intended to have a registry aspect, has some notion of status. 14:41:25 DanG has left #gld 14:42:36 DanG has joined #gld 14:42:37 PhilA2: but doesn't have a notion of endorsement by a particular community 14:43:15 q? 14:44:01 DanG: asks why geographic coverage is separated from SKOS concept schemes. Typically geo areas are concept schemes and should be handled uniformly. 14:45:06 I need DanG to give an example 14:45:12 PhilA2: previously had a notion of "domain". Could generalize to allow SKOS concepts to be used there. 14:45:18 In Geonames, codes are skos:Concept 14:46:46 PhilA2: question to group, is it OK to publish as FPWD before sorting issues such as uniform use of concept schemes. 14:47:13 link Geonames: http://www.geonames.org/ontology/documentation.html 14:47:25 DanG: preference, if group agrees then make changes first before FPWD publication. 14:47:57 q? 14:48:13 request that DanG elaborate on these issues in "ISSUES" 14:49:38 DanG: points out ISO 19773 has a approach to data types for multi-text, multi-string, multi-data. Type includes both datum and additional information (e.g. language, cultural identifiers). 14:49:49 s/has a/has an/ 14:50:53 Thanks! 14:51:05 george: suggests capturing these on issues list 14:52:48 PhilA2: [Clarifying relationship of OSS vocab to DOAP] Interest is from UK and Spanish gov. If GLD feels it is relevant it *could* could to encompass that as well. In RADion there is a link to project which is doap:Project. 14:53:37 - +91.80.49.06.aacc 14:54:01 q+ 14:54:01 q? 14:54:07 ack bhyland 14:54:10 ;) 14:54:11 ack bhyland 14:54:58 bhyland: reluctant to to cover OSS area as well, seems beyond GLD charter. 14:55:02 PhilA2: agreed 14:55:56 "GLD recommends stakeholder consider any and all vocabularies of potential interest, now and in the future..." 14:56:43 Thanks PhilA! 14:56:44 PhilA2: appreciates GLD taking on the vocabs that it is adopting 14:57:03 tinagheen has joined #gld 14:57:54 topic: DCAT 14:58:06 Zakim, unmute me 14:58:06 fadmaa should no longer be muted 14:59:02 Action-37 14:59:22 We're all looking at: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 14:59:27 (or should be ..) 14:59:47 fadmaa: issues 2,3 are easy and should be able to get consensus. Issue 9 is much the same as 7 and 8. 15:00:32 olyerickson: issue 2,3 trivial things left to close off. 15:02:44 bhyland: some issues are raised but not necessarily accept as issues to be addressed (i.e. OPEN) 15:02:46 q? 15:02:53 s/accept/accepted/ 15:03:38 olyerickson: issue 2 resulted in dct:language being added (so solved?) 15:04:15 @George, perhaps you should move some of these to OPEN status and some to CLOSED if they've been addressed, with comment … 15:04:55 george: trying to get clarify on what the actual issue is so can be clear on what are solved, what are unclear, what area ctionable. 15:05:02 s/area /are a/ 15:05:47 olyerickson: issue 2 - added dct:language at both levels 15:06:24 olyerickson: issue 3 - about time/date format, list agreed to prefer xsd:dateTime, but stakeholders wanted other forms, discussion still open 15:07:06 action: olyerickson to annotate and update issues 2, 3 on tracker 15:07:07 Created ACTION-58 - Annotate and update issues 2, 3 on tracker [on John Erickson - due 2012-03-22]. 15:07:37 I'll make a proposal by mail to put ISSUE-3 to bed - I don't think it's a big issue and we know how to handle it 15:08:31 fadmaa: question is whether dct:Distribution needed (ans: yes), are subsclasses needed (may not be fully representative) 15:09:09 fadmaa: want to differentiate between direct download links and web pages which eventually lead to download 15:09:51 https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8 15:10:12 -DaveReynolds 15:10:15 George: Is that clearer, John? 15:10:21 olyerickson: Yes, that helps 15:10:57 George: So it looks like we can open actions 7, 8 and 9 and then come to a resolution? 15:11:29 olyerickson: I think we need to create actions on those of us owning DCAT and come up with a specific alternative if that can be done 15:11:40 ... it's a raesonable issue that Martin is raising 15:11:52 ... we need to put something concrete before the GLD WG 15:12:04 + 1 to Fadi point 15:12:08 fadmaa: So we should put specific proposals on the ML? 15:12:13 +1 15:12:19 George: That sounds good - it can go on next weeks agenda 15:12:24 +1 15:12:26 scribe: PhilA2 15:12:36 +1 to mark issues as open 15:12:59 action: Fadi Maali to address issues 7 - 9 on the mailing list 15:12:59 Created ACTION-59 - Maali to address issues 7 - 9 on the mailing list [on Fadi Maali - due 2012-03-22]. 15:13:48 topic: People 15:13:54 Zakim, mute me 15:13:54 fadmaa should now be muted 15:15:10 PhilA2: patronymic name 15:15:31 ... include Titles, Prefixes, etc.? 15:15:55 ... no rules - but pushed for patronymic names 15:16:09 ... and 'alternative' name (which isn't foaf:nick) 15:16:24 +[IPcaller.a] 15:16:32 zakim, IPcaller.a is me 15:16:32 +DaveReynolds; got it 15:16:44 +1 to formal alternativeName... alternative right now is skos:prefLabel, skos:altLabel 15:17:05 George: Let's look at Best Prac for vocabulary selection 15:17:16 ... I noticed some mention of accidental subsumption 15:17:34 ... does anyone else think this is a useful addition to the doc? 15:18:14 George: If my hospital subject were to use a vCard address, it would be subsumed as a type vCard object 15:18:30 ... this presrnts itself as a problem to possible users 15:18:42 George: LD COmmunity is not very oriented towards this effect 15:18:54 q+ 15:19:15 scribe: DaveReynolds 15:19:40 PhilA2: frequently find want to reuse a property but domain/range constraints on it cause unintended consequences 15:20:33 PhilA2: some LD users work round that by separating inferences from direct assertions, pragmatics 15:20:34 ack boris 15:20:55 Linked Data is not about creating a perfect organization of knowledge 15:21:05 boris: worth mentioning in Best Practice vocab section 15:22:16 Sounds like we need a good glossary :-) 15:22:20 george: also some need for more clarity of description on "products" in the procurement section, e.g. Linked Data Server 15:22:21 yes 15:22:24 nice segway 15:22:32 agreed George 15:22:50 Topic: LD Glossary see https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html 15:23:39 q+ to talk about a linked data server 15:23:43 bhyland: would like Best Practices etc to link to glossary. New entries, improved descriptions welcome. 15:24:10 ack PhilA2 15:24:16 ack PhilA2 15:24:50 PhilA mentions LD Patterns WG 15:24:52 PhilA2: asks if group is aware of Linked Data platform, now "patterns", working group 15:25:08 q? 15:25:13 ack PhilA 15:25:13 PhilA, you wanted to talk about a linked data server 15:25:29 PhilA2: relevant to glossary definition of e.g. Linked Data Server 15:26:25 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120315 15:26:30 -> Using Open data http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/ 15:27:23 PhilA2: workshop in June in Brussels - about *using* open data 15:27:54 PhilA2: special focus on policy modelling 15:27:57 q+ 15:28:21 ack bhyland 15:29:34 bhyland: asks US members to check travel possibilities (for TPAC?) 15:30:20 bhyland: to check of a GLD f2f is possible during TPAC 15:30:41 thanks! 15:30:56 -Mike_P 15:31:01 regrets for next week 15:31:09 -olyerickson 15:31:13 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 15:31:14 -tinagheen 15:31:14 -bhyland 15:31:15 -fadmaa 15:31:15 -PhilA2 15:31:16 -DanG 15:31:19 - +1.443.569.aadd 15:31:21 -martin 15:31:21 RRSAgent, generate minutes 15:31:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-gld-minutes.html DaveReynolds 15:31:22 -[IPcaller] 15:31:27 -Boris 15:31:29 Thanks DaveReynolds for scribing. Do you need any help publishing minutes or are you fine? 15:31:30 -lbermudez 15:31:31 -gatemezi 15:31:32 PhilA2 has left #gld 15:31:39 -George_Thomas 15:31:53 bhyland: not sure, working on it now, process has changed from last time I did this 15:31:58 @DaveReynolds, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120315#Scribe.27s_End_of_Meeting_Checklist 15:32:21 if you have any issues, let me know & I'll help ... 15:32:52 Previously scribe did clean up of minues, do we not do that now? 15:33:14 yes, you can do that 15:33:31 but we often go straight out without 15:33:36 your call 15:33:55 OK, thanks. I'll check through to if anything needs clean up otherwise just publish raw. 15:33:57 I look over the minutes before publishing 15:34:02 ta 15:36:40 disconnecting the lone participant, DaveReynolds, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 15:36:42 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 15:36:42 Attendees were bhyland, +1.202.566.aaaa, sandro, Mike_P, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee, fadmaa, martin, +1.202.691.aabb, olyerickson, PhilA2, DanG, George_Thomas, Boris, 15:36:42 ... +91.80.49.06.aacc, gatemezi, tinagheen, lbermudez, +1.443.569.aadd, [IPcaller] 15:37:22 martin has left #gld 15:43:56 bhyland: sandro: I have chatlog copy on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Chatlog_2012-03-15 but wiki is not letting me login to edit them. No error message. I can log in and change rest of wiki fine. 15:45:00 DaveReynolds, weird....! try shift-refresh? wiki caching is sometimes broken.... 15:45:51 sandro: ah, thanks, should have tried that! 15:46:15 Most of the web works well enough these days, but now w3.org + wikis. :-( 15:46:27 (.... well enough that we forget about caching) 15:46:34 s/now/not/ 15:46:53 yes 16:09:35 olyerickson has left #gld 16:39:03 DaveReynolds has left #gld 17:48:38 Zakim has left #gld