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14:57:51 <michel> zakim, this is hcls
14:57:51 <Zakim> ok, michel; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
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14:58:26 <michel> Chair: michel
14:58:37 <Zakim> +??P4
14:58:44 <michel> Meeting: W3C HCLS – Life Sciences Forum
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14:59:19 <alex> hi Michel, I am on the call
14:59:26 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer
14:59:30 <alex> not sure u can hear me
14:59:46 <michel> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6355381/prezie/bio2rdf-rdf-viz-and-manipulation-initial.pdf
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15:01:13 <emiller> Eric from Squishymedia (Portland OR) here
15:01:21 <Zakim> + +1.412.802.aaaa
15:01:24 <michel> zakim, who is here?
15:01:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see egombocz, [IPcaller], ??P4, [IPcaller.a], Joseph_Scheuhammer, +1.412.802.aaaa
15:01:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndreaS, emiller, RRSAgent, Zakim, egombocz, michel, alex, MacTed, achille_z, jVillaveces, matthias_samwald1, egonw__, ericP
15:02:05 <Zakim> +ericP
15:02:10 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:02:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see egombocz, [IPcaller], ??P4, [IPcaller.a], Joseph_Scheuhammer, +1.412.802.aaaa, ericP
15:02:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndreaS, emiller, RRSAgent, Zakim, egombocz, michel, alex, MacTed, achille_z, jVillaveces, matthias_samwald1, egonw__, ericP
15:02:27 <michel> Harry, UofPittsburg - biomedical informatics, want to learn more about the group
15:02:34 <AndreaS> Hi,
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15:02:42 <michel> Mary, U of Georgia - ontology for health care
15:02:58 <michel> zakim, +1.215.239.aabb is iker
15:02:58 <Zakim> +iker; got it
15:03:06 <egombocz> apologies to all - I will have to leave early today due to an overlapping meeting I need to attend
15:03:06 <alex> h Iker
15:03:14 <alex> its been some time
15:03:15 <AndreaS> Somebody should change the UK access point number!!! There is somebody answering pretending to be "my partner in evolution and success..."
15:03:17 <iker> Hi Alex, how are you?
15:03:17 <alex> nice to see u
15:03:19 <michel> zakim, +1.412.802.aaaa is harry
15:03:19 <Zakim> +harry; got it
15:03:21 <alex> fine
15:03:25 <iker> nice to see you too Alex
15:03:26 <alex> fine/
15:03:33 <alex> are u in the US?
15:03:41 <iker> yes I'm in Philly
15:03:46 <iker> what about you?
15:03:54 <alex> great, we should try to catch up later this year
15:03:57 <Zakim> +charlie
15:04:05 <iker> good
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15:04:37 <iker> feel free to ping me whenever fits for you
15:04:41 <Zakim> + +44.754.501.aacc
15:04:55 <michel> zakim, +44.754.501.aacc is andrea
15:04:55 <Zakim> +andrea; got it
15:06:21 <michel> michel dumontier - michel.dumontier@gmail.com
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15:06:37 <michel> http://goo.gl/d19xK
15:06:38 <emiller> thanks, I'll follow up with an email later this AM
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15:07:21 <michel> presentation: http://goo.gl/d19xK
15:08:15 <Zakim> +??P7
15:08:22 <ericP> ericP has changed the topic to: visualizing
15:08:22 <ericP> and
15:08:22 <ericP> manipula(ng
15:08:22 <ericP> RDF
15:09:01 <ericP> ericP has changed the topic to: visualizing and manipulating RDF <data http://goo.gl/d19xK>
15:09:13 <ericP> michel: we all have to work with RDF data
15:09:31 <ericP> ... alex is going to walk us through tools
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15:11:17 <michel> ... how to deliver the power of rdf datasets to the user?
15:11:31 <michel> ... all about the user experience
15:11:36 <ericP> scribenick: michel
15:12:03 <ericP> [slide 3]
15:12:08 <ericP> [slide 4]
15:12:24 <michel> ... recent review paper indicated the lack of understanding and knowledge makes it difficult to use
15:13:20 <michel> ... review on visualizing data: hTp://iospress.metapress.com/content/2822p340453463g1/
15:13:33 <michel> htTp://iospress.metapress.com/content/2822p340453463g1/
15:13:37 <ericP> [slide 9]
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15:14:20 <michel> ... would like more adaptable interfaces
15:14:38 <ericP> [slide 10]
15:14:38 <michel> [slide 10]
15:14:52 <mscottm> URL to slides?
15:15:08 <michel> ... linked data browsers run in html browsers; 
15:15:11 <michel> slides: http://goo.gl/d19xK
15:15:16 <mscottm> tx
15:15:22 <michel> ... not much in terms of useability
15:16:08 <michel> ... should allow us to know what's in a dataset, how to find and get data, how to manipulate the data and personalize it
15:16:12 <ericP> [slide 12]
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15:17:30 <michel> ... sig.ma - semantic mashup
15:17:39 <ericP> [slide 13]
15:18:02 <michel> ...relfinder - finds the path between two entities - explore the relationships
15:18:53 <egombocz> you may want to look at IO's Sentient Knowledge Explorer - free personal version can be downloaded at: http://www.io-informatics.com/   (upper right link)
15:19:22 <michel> ... visor - pivoted search
15:19:24 <ericP> [slide 15]
15:19:26 <AndreaS> Is Visor by IO-Informatics ?
15:20:31 <egombocz> no
15:20:54 <michel> ... how can we improve the user experience?
15:21:35 <ericP> [slide 16]
15:21:37 <AndreaS> Who is producing Visor, is there a download link ?
15:21:46 <michel> ... content display - for instance lots of development around drupal
15:22:40 <michel> [slide 17]
15:23:13 <michel> ... information workbench: discovery, integration, visualization, search, exploration, analytics, collaborative authoring
15:23:14 <ericP> [slide 18]
15:23:53 <ericP> [slide 20]
15:24:07 <michel> ... Bio2RDF as the core dataset;  infrastructure, knowledge resource
15:25:24 <ericP> [slide 22]
15:25:36 <egombocz> There is a nice UI for Visual SPARQL queries in Sentient Knoweledge Explorer (KE)
15:25:42 <michel> ... biosparl.org, bioqueries - a wiki to share quires on linked data
15:26:21 <ericP> q+
15:27:08 <egombocz> KE can directly query and import any SPARQL endpoint and merge it with experimental results
15:27:46 <egombocz> KE also allows to import classes and/or instances from SPARQL endpoints
15:27:46 <michel> lena - sparql should be hidden deep in the application
15:28:23 <egombocz> Users don't need to write SPARQL; they can use graphical queries
15:28:39 <ericP> q+ to ask about network browsers like cytoscape and to mention Metaome
15:28:50 <egombocz> Apologies - my other meeting is starting, need to log off
15:28:59 <Zakim> -egombocz
15:29:40 <AndreaS> q+
15:29:45 <ericP> ack me
15:29:45 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask about network browsers like cytoscape and to mention Metaome
15:30:08 <AndreaS> Metaome: link ?
15:30:18 <michel> ericp - metaome targeted towards pharmaceutical data
15:30:38 <michel> ... general network browsing e.g. cytoscape to get the whole network in front of them
15:30:48 <michel> ... whole network vs slice 
15:30:58 <michel> ... what actually works for researchers?
15:31:20 <michel> alex: looking for HCI studies that show how people want to consume this
15:31:53 <michel> q+
15:32:15 <michel> q+ to ask about sparallax
15:32:31 <michel> ... based on results, build other queries
15:33:08 <AndreaS> +q
15:34:18 <alex> query - answer pos processing 
15:34:39 <alex> we are trying dasty3
15:34:47 <alex> a DAS browser 
15:34:58 <ericP> -> http://www.distilbio.com/ Life Sciences Search Engine from metaome  <http://www.metaome.com/>
15:35:30 <amrapali> sgvizler is also a recent tool used to visualize rdf data: http://code.google.com/p/sgvizler/
15:35:40 <michel> ack michel
15:35:40 <Zakim> michel, you wanted to ask about sparallax
15:35:59 <michel> q+ to ask about sparallax
15:36:18 <michel> harry: users want answers to questions
15:36:47 <michel> alex: yes that's one way to do it - hci focuses on task-based interaction
15:36:56 <Lena>  zakim, who is making noise
15:36:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', Lena
15:37:07 <michel> ... more than one simple question
15:37:12 <michel> zakim, who is making noise?
15:37:25 <Zakim> michel, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P4 (57%), Joseph_Scheuhammer.a (11%)
15:39:32 <michel> lena - lots of knowledge in literature
15:39:45 <michel> ... tools to work to work with literature?
15:39:47 <Lena> @ericP: great reference about the distilbio.com, the query engine is great
15:39:56 <Lena> @michel, that's not me talking :O
15:40:57 <michel> gopubmed is useful - http://www.gopubmed.org/web/gopubmed/
15:41:35 <michel> alex: elsevier grand challenge
15:42:18 <AndreaS> who is speaking>?
15:43:06 <michel> ... gather use cases
15:43:20 <AndreaS> +q
15:43:59 <alex> Bioqueries (http://bioqueries.uma.es/) 
15:45:01 <ericP> michel: i would like to see visualization as a core HCLS activity
15:45:10 <alex> so do I
15:45:15 <ericP> ... we should consider a forming a TF
15:45:18 <AndreaS> +1
15:45:19 <mscottm> Andrea get to speak yet?
15:45:19 <alex> visualization and manipulation of RDF data
15:45:27 <ericP> ... this would be a good way to gather use cases
15:45:38 <ericP> ... we could engage vendors like IO-Informatics
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15:45:45 <mscottm> q+
15:46:20 <HarryHochheiser> I'd love to join in a task force on visualization and use cases...
15:46:43 <michel> everybody: please indicate your interest in a visualization task force in the irc
15:46:51 <iker> +1
15:47:12 <amrapali> +1
15:47:17 <alex> +1
15:47:18 <emiller> I'd be interested
15:47:41 <alex> I will be happy to share use cases, no problem
15:48:44 <michel> andrea: users employ very basic visualization 
15:49:18 <michel> ... focus on use cases is good
15:49:37 <michel> ... analytics and visualization?  screenshot?
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15:51:14 <Lena> +1
15:51:41 <Lena> +1 (i would propose a visualization working group - from w3c)
15:52:13 <AndreaS> email >> andrea.splendiani@deri.org
15:52:59 <michel> integrate not just rdf data sources
15:53:30 <AndreaS> Alex, which is your email ?
15:53:36 <michel> ack mscottm
15:53:42 <michel> ack michel
15:53:42 <Zakim> michel, you wanted to ask about sparallax
15:53:44 <AndreaS> -q
15:53:44 <alex> alexgarciac@gmail.com
15:53:45 <michel> ack andreas
15:53:50 <alex> is my email
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15:54:18 <Lena> mscottm: bottleneck is lack of semantics
15:54:30 <Lena> mscottm: difficult to find graph data
15:55:03 <maryam> My email for sending that info: mary@knoesis.org
15:55:25 <alex> ok, Maryam got it
15:55:46 <alex> my email is alexgarciac@gmail.com
15:56:26 <maryam> thanks
15:56:36 <michel> mscottm: take some features, and project one feature along a dimension (e.g. space, time or both) and look for patterns
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15:56:56 <michel> mscottm: force directed layouts, look for visual clusters
15:57:22 <AndreaS> +q
15:57:24 <michel> zakim, who is here?
15:57:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P4, [IPcaller.a], harry, ericP, iker, charlie, andrea, Joseph_Scheuhammer.a, +1.832.386.aadd, ??P7
15:57:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see HarryHochheiser, maryam, michel, matthias_samwald, mscottm, Lena, amrapali, iker, AndreaS, emiller, RRSAgent, Zakim, alex, MacTed, achille_z, ericP
15:57:31 <Zakim> -charlie
15:57:43 <Lena> sounds like mscottm  is volunteering to lead the tf :)
15:58:07 <Lena> zakim, aadd is me
15:58:07 <Zakim> +Lena; got it
15:58:26 <michel> mscottm: what we're missing is general tools to map from semantics to visualization (type, colour, size, etc)
15:58:38 <AndreaS> -q
15:59:01 <michel> mscottm: keep the query + view
15:59:08 <alex> we keep talking about visualization but the use cases will involve query-answering 
15:59:10 <AndreaS> +q
15:59:34 <michel> @alex - i don't agree that they are are all query answering
15:59:40 <Zakim> -ericP
16:00:04 <AndreaS> Visualization is about finding insight in information, hence it's in some definition query-answering
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16:00:50 <Lena> wrt visualization, exhibit3 (on which biodistill was built), is a good startng point
16:01:30 <Zakim> -harry
16:01:33 <Zakim> -Lena
16:01:34 <Zakim> -iker
16:01:35 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:01:35 <AndreaS> bye
16:01:37 <Zakim> -andrea
16:01:37 <Zakim> -??P7
16:01:40 <Zakim> -??P4
16:01:42 <emiller> thanks everyone
16:01:43 <mscottm> bye
16:01:44 <alex> bye all
16:01:47 <maryam> bye
16:01:52 <michel> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/13-HCLS-minutes.html michel
16:01:57 <michel> rrsagent, make log world-visible
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16:02:25 <Zakim> Attendees were egombocz, [IPcaller], Joseph_Scheuhammer, ericP, iker, harry, charlie, andrea, +1.832.386.aadd, Lena
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