15:00:43 RRSAgent has joined #gld 15:00:43 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-gld-irc 15:00:45 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:00:45 Zakim has joined #gld 15:00:47 Zakim, this will be GLD 15:00:47 ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 15:00:48 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 15:00:48 Date: 08 March 2012 15:00:53 + +1.518.276.aadd 15:01:03 +sandro 15:01:07 + +1.267.481.aaee 15:01:17 Zakim, who is there? 15:01:18 I don't understand your question, BenediktKaempgen. 15:01:36 zakim, who's here? 15:01:36 On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aabb, George_Thomas, +49.721.aacc, davidwood, +1.518.276.aadd, sandro, +1.267.481.aaee 15:01:38 On IRC I see RRSAgent, bhyland, gatemezi, olyerickson, cygri, MacTed, BenediktKaempgen, mhausenblas, danbri, trackbot, sandro 15:01:51 Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:01:51 On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aabb, George_Thomas, +49.721.aacc, davidwood, +1.518.276.aadd, sandro, +1.267.481.aaee 15:02:03 + +33.4.93.00.aaff 15:02:05 zakim, aacc is BenediktKaempgen 15:02:05 +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:02:19 + +3539149aagg 15:02:24 zakim, davidwood is me 15:02:24 +bhyland; got it 15:02:25 rreck has joined #GLD 15:02:34 - +1.518.276.aadd 15:02:39 lbermudez has joined #gld 15:02:53 zakim, aagg gatemezi 15:02:53 I don't understand 'aagg gatemezi', bhyland 15:03:06 zakim, aagg is gatemezi 15:03:07 +gatemezi; got it 15:03:13 + +1.518.276.aahh 15:03:18 deirdrelee has joined #gld 15:03:28 zakim, aahh is me. 15:03:28 +olyerickson; got it 15:03:31 zakim, who is talking? 15:03:42 sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (14%), +33.4.93.00.aabb (19%), olyerickson (18%), +33.4.93.00.aaff (22%), gatemezi (25%) 15:03:50 zakim, who is talking? 15:04:00 +mhausenblas 15:04:00 zakim, who is on the call? 15:04:01 sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olyerickson (35%), +33.4.93.00.aaff (4%), gatemezi (8%) 15:04:01 On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aabb, George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, sandro, +1.267.481.aaee, +33.4.93.00.aaff, gatemezi, olyerickson, mhausenblas 15:04:06 zakim, who is talking? 15:04:12 zakim, mute gatemezi 15:04:12 gatemezi should now be muted 15:04:17 sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (9%), +33.4.93.00.aabb (52%), +33.4.93.00.aaff (9%) 15:04:20 zakim, unmute gatemezi 15:04:20 gatemezi should no longer be muted 15:04:25 - +33.4.93.00.aabb 15:04:54 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:04:54 On the phone I see George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, sandro, +1.267.481.aaee, +33.4.93.00.aaff, gatemezi, olyerickson, mhausenblas 15:05:25 zakim, aaee is lbermudez 15:05:25 +lbermudez; got it 15:06:07 q? 15:06:21 zakim, gatemezi is deirdrelee 15:06:21 +deirdrelee; got it 15:06:27 + +1.218.296.aaii 15:06:27 George has joined #gld 15:06:28 Zakim, aaff is gatemezi 15:06:28 +gatemezi; got it 15:06:37 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:06:37 On the phone I see George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, sandro, lbermudez, gatemezi, deirdrelee, olyerickson, mhausenblas, +1.218.296.aaii 15:06:41 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120308 15:06:53 zakim can randomly pick someone 15:06:53 Scribe: George 15:06:58 Chair: bhyland 15:07:00 @Sandro: I may have some trouble.. can you hear me? 15:07:18 @gatemezi I can't hear you speaking, no. 15:07:32 + +3539149aajj 15:07:33 zakim, aaii is rreck 15:07:33 +rreck; got it 15:07:34 fadmaa has joined #gld 15:07:51 Zakim, aajj is fadmaa 15:07:51 +fadmaa; got it 15:08:16 Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:08:16 On the phone I see George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, sandro, lbermudez, gatemezi, deirdrelee, olyerickson, mhausenblas, rreck, fadmaa 15:08:39 Zakim, mute me 15:08:39 fadmaa should now be muted 15:08:40 Minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-02-22 15:08:50 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:08:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 15:09:28 Last meeting's minutes, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-02-16 15:09:35 Chair: Bernadette Hyland 15:09:53 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-02-23 15:09:58 Scribe: George Thomas 15:10:09 Topic: approve 3/23 minutes 15:10:31 topic: Approve 2/23 minutes 15:10:33 +1 minutes 15:10:54 +1 minutes 15:11:14 yes 15:11:21 Zakim, unmute me 15:11:21 fadmaa should no longer be muted 15:11:35 Zakim, mute me 15:11:35 fadmaa should now be muted 15:11:42 minutes approved 15:11:43 +1 Approve Minutes 15:11:54 +1 approve minutes 15:12:10 time difference note - 1 hr earlier for many 15:12:17 Next two meetings (15, 22 March 2012) will be one hour earlier for EUROPEANS due to US DST 15:12:26 Michael: Mainly/only for the Europeans 15:12:49 Topic: ADMS 15:13:01 sent list email for GLD WG review 15:13:25 4 ISA vocabs input to GLD 15:13:43 * Not just about ADMS, but also ISA "people," "core business,' "location" 15:14:00 q+ 15:14:21 q? 15:14:25 q+ to talk about ISA stuff 15:14:29 ack olyerickson 15:14:33 bhyland: defer most discussion to meeting with PhilA 15:15:00 boris has joined #gld 15:16:21 George_ has joined #gld 15:16:33 q? 15:16:54 See Semantic Assets on https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/allasset/all 15:16:58 olyerickson: TWC/RPI appreciates ADMS and ISA vocabs 15:17:10 ack me 15:17:10 mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about ISA stuff 15:17:17 bhyland: agenda will be updated with ADMS/ISA links 15:17:34 mhausenblas: overall thumbs up, look toward reuse 15:17:59 ACTION: PhilA to add links 15:18:00 Created ACTION-57 - Add links [on Phil Archer - due 2012-03-15]. 15:18:28 +boris 15:19:57 I guess this URL is for Person ? https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/semic-eu_core_person_17/release/200 15:20:14 george: pursuing interest in vocab.data.gov as ADMS repo, and +1 to mhausenblas on reuse and his Person effort as extending ISA core stuff 15:20:34 Topic: Products 15:22:03 URL for all the set of vocabs here https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/all 15:22:23 q? 15:23:33 PROPOSED: Publish Data Cube Vocabular Spec FPWD 15:23:38 PROPOSED: Publish Data Cube Vocabulary Spec FPWD 15:23:43 +1 15:23:44 +1 (W3C) 15:23:45 +1 15:23:57 +1 15:23:59 +1 (FZI) 15:24:03 +q 15:24:44 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/data-cube/index.html 15:24:46 RDF Data Cube Vocab Editors Draft, http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/data-cube/index.html 15:25:18 lbermudez: concerned with OGC / ISO concepts 15:25:40 mhausenblas: post FPWD is a good time to address those issues/concerns 15:26:00 lbermudez: wrt Data Cube 15:26:36 Sandro: Process re: FPWD, we are saying today, 'we are comfortable with publishing this for initial feedback and input'. 15:26:38 sandro: FPWD means out for comment - could note lbermudez concerns in draft 15:26:58 lbermudez: agree that comment on alignment with OGC/ISO would be good 15:27:16 sandro: comments typically requested within 4 weeks 15:27:58 sandro: last call comment period means internal issues are resolved, and comment period is typically 3 weeks 15:28:38 sandro: FPWD raises issue - 'this section is under discussion - see issue xxx' 15:28:56 mhausenblas: clear that FPWD has captured, but doesn't need to be resolved in FPWD 15:29:09 lbermudez: put comments in issue tracker? 15:29:16 Issue tracker for Data Cube, see https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/3 15:29:21 ISSUE-3? 15:29:21 ISSUE-3 -- Date and Time Format -- raised 15:29:21 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/3 15:29:23 sandro: may be there already - see cube product link 15:29:37 sandro 15:29:46 sandro: issue 32? @ lbermudez 15:29:58 issue-32 15:30:02 issue-32? 15:30:02 ISSUE-32 -- Relationship to ISO19156 - Observations & Measurements? -- raised 15:30:02 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/32 15:30:55 bhyland: email list, chairs, noting issue link 15:31:10 lbermudez: item 1 in issue-32 15:31:33 mhausenblas: so put pointer in DataCube FPWD to that 15:31:41 sandro: need a WG resolution to issues 15:32:14 mhausenblas: anyone can address - and close - or note desired follow up 15:32:24 sandro: chairs can also close issues 15:32:27 .. 15:32:46 ... @ lbermudez - a particular spot to focus/emphasize? 15:32:51 lbermudez: will look again 15:33:14 lbermudez: also offering to help section (x.x) editors 15:33:21 PROPOSED: Publish Data Cube Vocabular Spec FPWD, after adding a reference to ISSUE-32 (worked out between lbermudez and the editors) 15:33:30 sandro: amend proposal 15:33:30 PROPOSED: Publish Data Cube Vocabulary Spec FPWD, after adding a reference to ISSUE-32 (worked out between lbermudez and the editors) 15:33:35 +1 15:33:37 +1 15:33:40 +1 15:33:44 +1 (W3C) 15:33:55 +1 15:33:56 bhyland: editors are RC and DR 15:33:58 +1 (FZI) 15:34:26 RESOLVED: Publish Data Cube Vocabulary Spec FPWD, after adding a reference to ISSUE-32 (worked out between lbermudez and the editors) 15:34:30 +1 15:34:33 bhyland: we have consensus 15:34:58 Topic: DCAT 15:35:07 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html 15:35:38 Zakim, unmute me 15:35:38 fadmaa should no longer be muted 15:35:49 bhyland: F2F discussed having a burst on DCAT - @ fadmaa and olyerickson 15:36:34 olyerickson: 2 minor but still unresolved actions re: addition of lang and date type - has open action (#?) to corral/resolve and summarize current status - outstanding 15:37:15 q? 15:37:22 ... not happy with quality of wording of this editors draft - but hasn't had bandwidth to deal with it yet... 15:37:29 ack lbermudez 15:37:31 ack lbermudez 15:37:36 +q 15:38:17 olyerickson: one other point - personally inexperienced with generating W3C blessed TR's - re: DCAT - don't know what's right/wrong from W3 persp 15:38:29 q+ to talk about what FPWD is about, again 15:38:44 ... can capture technical/adoption issues, but need W3 oversight 15:38:55 ack fadmaa 15:39:25 fadmaa: agree that DCAT needs further work and coordination - but recommends going to FPWD without too much more collab required 15:39:47 ... prioritize discussion to direct and indirect access 15:39:51 zakim, ack me 15:39:51 I see mhausenblas on the speaker queue 15:39:57 ack me 15:39:57 mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about what FPWD is about, again 15:39:58 +1 Fadmaa 15:40:29 mhausenblas: waxes professorial on process 15:40:56 ... all we need is a rough idea of what is the deal for FPWD 15:41:13 q? 15:41:16 olyerickson: thanks to mhausenblas - helpful input 15:41:58 Zakim, mut eme 15:41:58 I don't understand 'mut eme', fadmaa 15:42:03 Zakim, mute me 15:42:03 fadmaa should now be muted 15:42:45 bhyland: question about DCAT editor access to olyerickson 15:43:09 fadmaa: noted subclasses of dcat:Distribution and direct/indirect access are urgent prior to FPWD 15:43:33 bhyland: URI construction is the olyerickson issue 15:43:45 cygri has joined #gld 15:43:47 olyerickson: notes many are happily using DCAT 15:43:57 PROPOSED: Publish DCAT Spec as a FPWD, 15:44:06 +1 15:44:11 +1 (FZI) 15:44:12 +1 15:44:13 +1 15:44:15 +1 15:44:24 +1 15:44:24 +1 15:44:28 +1 15:44:33 .5 - see fadmaa 15:44:58 Resolved: Publish DCAT Spec as a FPWD 15:45:19 Topic: Best Practices 15:45:30 bhyland: mhausenblas or boris input? 15:45:37 ... thanks to boris 15:45:53 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html 15:46:08 need Vocab selection input on accidental subsumption / entailment 15:47:26 prob need more discussion / input on characteristics and varieties of 'linked data app/server' 15:47:43 bhyland: desire to get BP out in March 15:47:44 q? 15:48:38 boris: to WG - read and comment please 15:48:51 ... some sections in better shape than others - 15:49:12 bhyland: some parts in need of attention 15:49:31 Michael: wondering what we do with People now? 15:49:33 vocab-people 15:49:33 vocab-org for the Organizational Vocabulary 15:49:33 vocab-data-cube for the RDF Data Cube Vocabulary 15:49:33 and gld-bp for the Government Linked Data Best Practices document. 15:49:33 @bhyland: Can I help for the glossary in BP doc? 15:49:49 Topic: Short Names 15:49:58 mhausenblas: People ? 15:50:05 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html 15:50:19 bhyland: discussion deferred for PhilA attendance 15:50:31 ... mhausenblas input invoked 15:50:39 @gatemezi, absolutely you can help. I'll follow up with you directly by email, ok? 15:50:53 mhausenblas: UC and Req's are needed regardless of ISA input 15:51:23 ... put out FPWD with note of intent to integrate ISA 15:51:49 ... or leave those overalapping parts out 15:51:59 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html 15:52:19 ... to WG - either 'let's wait', or 'let's push it out' (see link) 15:53:10 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html#mapping-to-isa-core-person-vocabulary 15:53:12 mhausenblas: ISA core has Person - People ED section 6 says 'mapping' to ISA Person 15:53:44 ... however, given ISA then start with that and map to other widely used notables (schema.org, etc) 15:53:53 ... so the emphasis is on UC's and Req's 15:55:24 PROPOSED: Publish People vocab as a FPWD 15:55:31 +1 15:55:35 +1 15:55:36 +1 15:55:50 @bhyland: perfect!! 15:55:56 +1 15:55:59 +1 15:56:14 +1 15:56:15 Approved: Publish People vocab as a FPWD 15:56:20 +1 15:56:27 oops too late 15:56:32 wow, 4 vocabs going to FPWD from today's meeting, cool! 15:56:35 bhyland: notes incredible productivity of GLD WG members 15:57:02 ... any other vocab related discussion today? 15:57:51 Lyon? 15:57:55 ... PhilA - may conf in France 15:57:59 WWW in Lyon? 15:58:34 Sophia Antipolis 15:58:52 http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/ 15:58:54 * Sophia-Antipolis is where we are located 15:59:26 https://www.w3.org/Member/Meeting/2012ac/May/Overview 16:00:02 bhyland: raise this AC meeting as possible F2F (as per PhilA) 16:00:15 sandro: not a public meeting - an AC meeting 16:00:15 Consider GLD WG F2F3 to coincide with [http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/ TPAC in Lyon, France 29 Oct - 2 Nov 2012. 16:01:48 bhyland: proposed 90min meeting next week - PhilA on ADMS/ISA and boris on BP - notes an hour earlier for EU members 16:01:49 thanks!! 16:01:50 thanks, bubye 16:01:51 thanks all 16:01:52 bye 16:01:52 -olyerickson 16:01:53 adjourn. have a great rest of the week all! 16:01:55 -mhausenblas 16:01:56 thanks 16:01:57 -deirdrelee 16:01:59 -rreck 16:02:01 -BenediktKaempgen 16:02:03 -sandro 16:02:05 -bhyland 16:02:06 +1 to "bubye" ;) 16:02:10 olyerickson has left #gld 16:02:11 -boris 16:02:14 -fadmaa 16:02:17 -lbermudez 16:02:46 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 16:03:07 RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:03:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-gld-minutes.html George_ 16:06:30 minutes are here http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-03-08 16:08:06 -George_Thomas 16:27:31 MacTed has joined #gld 16:35:00 disconnecting the lone participant, gatemezi, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 16:35:02 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 16:35:02 Attendees were +1.518.276.aaaa, +33.4.93.00.aabb, George_Thomas, +49.721.aacc, +1.518.276.aadd, sandro, +1.267.481.aaee, +33.4.93.00.aaff, BenediktKaempgen, +3539149aagg, bhyland, 16:35:02 ... +1.518.276.aahh, olyerickson, mhausenblas, lbermudez, deirdrelee, +1.218.296.aaii, gatemezi, +3539149aajj, rreck, fadmaa, boris 17:52:24 danbri has joined #gld 18:07:45 Zakim has left #gld 19:36:20 mhausenblas has joined #gld 20:07:49 danbri has joined #gld 20:48:16 danbri has joined #gld 22:03:26 danbri has joined #gld