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15:55:57 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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15:56:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:56:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
15:56:02 <trackbot> Date: 07 March 2012
15:56:09 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:56:12 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:56:20 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:56:37 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Mar/0001.html
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15:56:51 <aphillip> Regrets: Mati
15:56:58 <aphillip> Regrets: Mati, John
15:57:19 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:57:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:57:43 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:59:43 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:59:43 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:59:44 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:59:45 <Zakim> +Richard
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16:01:00 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
16:01:09 <aphillip> zakim, I am Addison_Phillips
16:01:09 <Zakim> ok, aphillip, I now associate you with Addison_Phillips
16:01:14 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:01:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, Addison_Phillips
16:01:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see David, kojiishi, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot, kennyluck
16:01:23 <Norbert> Norbert has joined #i18n
16:01:45 <Zakim> + +41.41.888.aaaa
16:01:50 <Zakim> + +1.415.885.aabb
16:02:01 <aphillip> zakim, +41 is David
16:02:01 <Zakim> +David; got it
16:02:08 <aphillip> zakim, +1.415 is Norbert
16:02:08 <Zakim> +Norbert; got it
16:02:12 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, Addison_Phillips, David, Norbert
16:02:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, David, kojiishi, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot, kennyluck
16:02:28 <Norbert> zakim, who is noisy?
16:02:39 <Zakim> Norbert, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David (100%)
16:02:43 <David> zakim, mute me
16:02:43 <Zakim> David should now be muted
16:04:50 <David> while we're hesitating, can you fill in your DST preferences at http://www.doodle.com/45kfma9z32wckkbq
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16:05:22 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
16:05:34 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:05:50 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
16:06:02 <Zakim> +??P30
16:06:21 <Zakim> +??P34
16:06:30 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p34 is me
16:06:30 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
16:06:54 <aphillip> close ACTION-102
16:06:54 <trackbot> ACTION-102 Run the time change poll closed
16:07:28 <aphillip> close ACTION-104
16:07:28 <trackbot> ACTION-104 Raise IRI product in tracker closed
16:07:41 <aphillip> richard: raised four new products in tracker
16:07:57 <aphillip> ... to support the various IRI documents
16:08:11 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:08:50 <aphillip> richard: MLWeb workshop next week
16:08:58 <aphillip> ... 167 registrations
16:09:08 <aphillip> ... expect over 100 actual attendees
16:10:00 <aphillip> norbert: SF Globalization forum (sort of an "IMUG for San Francisco"
16:10:12 <aphillip> ... will post slides of the first talk
16:10:38 <aphillip> richard: Unicode Tutorial Day at Loc World Paris
16:10:49 <aphillip> ... in June (like maybe the 4th)
16:10:58 <David> when do you need to know by?
16:11:54 <aphillip> Topic: What Time is this Meeting At?
16:12:06 <David> zakim, unmute me
16:12:06 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
16:12:08 <aphillip> http://www.doodle.com/45kfma9z32wckkbq
16:12:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:12:59 <aphillip> David: put in your choices... need to make the change quickly
16:14:15 <David> zakim, mute me
16:14:15 <Zakim> David should now be muted
16:16:22 <aphillip> Topic: JLReq II publication
16:16:55 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-jlreq-20120403/
16:17:31 <aphillip> richard; Need publication approval for Working Draft
16:17:52 <aphillip> norbert: some pictures missing
16:18:05 <aphillip> ... such as 2.23
16:18:36 <aphillip> chair: objections to publishing a WD?
16:18:38 <aphillip> Norbert: as long as it has pretty pictures
16:19:04 <r12a> i'm ok to publish
16:19:05 <aphillip> richard: okay
16:19:08 <aphillip> addison: okay
16:19:14 <David> I'd be happy with it as a WD
16:19:15 <aphillip> norbert: okay
16:19:23 <fsasaki> fine by me
16:19:33 <aphillip> Approved for publication as a Working Draft
16:19:49 <aphillip> Topic: Clearing issues in "prep"
16:19:55 <Zakim> -kojiishi
16:20:08 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2012JanMar/0083.html
16:20:31 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/10
16:21:09 <aphillip> norbert: issue 77, maybe close it?
16:21:20 <aphillip> ... issue-78, ian didn't understand what we're asking for
16:21:24 <aphillip> ... I don't either?
16:21:33 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/78
16:22:05 <aphillip> richard: this shouldn't be in prep any more
16:22:24 <aphillip> ... should be able to disable spell check for items that are not appropriate
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16:23:39 <aphillip> norbert: html5 spellcheck is about spellchecking in editable fields in a user-agent document
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16:24:27 <aphillip> addison: about adding attribute for tools that work on html documents
16:26:49 <Zakim> +??P34
16:26:56 <kojiishi_> zakim, ??p34 is me
16:26:56 <Zakim> +kojiishi_; got it
16:28:26 <aphillip> addison: would like to publish the first list without further review here; objections?
16:28:38 <Zakim> -kojiishi_
16:29:18 <aphillip> ISSUE-105: Compatibility caseless matching
16:29:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-105 Compatibility caseless matching notes added
16:29:37 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/105
16:29:58 <Zakim> +??P40
16:30:14 <kojiishi_> zakim, ??p40 is me
16:30:14 <Zakim> +kojiishi_; got it
16:33:06 <aphillip> richard: remove the "either"?
16:33:14 <aphillip> ... from the recommendation
16:33:51 <aphillip> They both have a name attribute, their name attributes are not empty, and the value of a's name attribute is a compatibility caseless match for the value of b's name attribute.
16:34:04 <Zakim> -David
16:37:06 <aphillip> addison: remove (c) part, remove the "either" from recommendation
16:37:29 <aphillip> I would suggest replacing compatibility caseless matching with canonical caseless matching. 
16:38:07 <aphillip> richard: might be two bugs? one for reference and one for recommendation
16:39:04 <aphillip> approved
16:39:16 <aphillip> ISSUE-106: When the character cannot be encoded into the target encoding
16:39:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-106 When the character cannot be encoded into the target encoding notes added
16:39:30 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/106
16:40:23 <aphillip> Deals with processing URLs. The steps here result in defining the "character encoding" of the URL, which is applies to the query portion of the URL. I put character encoding in quotes, because what it really is the character encoding of the document or script containing the URL as a string. Step 8.2 contains an implicit encoding conversion (to the document character encoding). A health warning should be supplied about what to do when the character cannot be e
16:40:52 <aphillip> ... so make explicit the conversion and state that not all characters go into all encodings
16:41:11 <aphillip> approved
16:41:20 <aphillip> ISSUE-115: Should Document.charset and Document.characterSet be harmonized?
16:41:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-115 Should Document.charset and Document.characterSet be harmonized? notes added
16:41:42 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/115
16:41:51 <aphillip>  Document.charset and Document.characterSet appear to be the same thing, although charset has some additional capabilities and restrictions. Should these be harmonized? (Is 'characterSet' new? If so, we'd probably prefer to see "encoding" used instead)
16:43:56 <aphillip> norbert: not in the editor's draft
16:44:00 <aphillip> addison: still in TR?
16:45:09 <aphillip> ... "if this makes a return..." ?
16:45:27 <aphillip> close as obsolete
16:45:48 <aphillip> ISSUE-116: Setting and getting the direction of the title attribute
16:45:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-116 Setting and getting the direction of the title attribute notes added
16:46:31 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/116
16:46:41 <aphillip> richard: drop, since handled by bug Aharon raised
16:46:53 <aphillip> addison: is that 16160?
16:47:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:47:38 <aphillip> richard: yep
16:47:53 <aphillip> note in issue that covered by that bug and close
16:49:25 <aphillip> 120: Non-ASCII Unicode characters in data-*
16:49:42 <aphillip> There is a note that reads:  -- All attributes on HTML elements in HTML documents get ASCII-lowercased automatically, so the restriction on ASCII uppercase letters doesn't affect such documents. --  Later in the section there are several references to ASCII-lowercasing and ASCII-uppercasing operations. There is no discussion of how to handle non-ASCII Unicode values (the wisdom of any such appearing in this context is, of course, open). Default Unicode case f
16:51:07 <aphillip> A custom data attribute is an attribute in no namespace whose name starts with the string "data-", has at least one character after the hyphen, is XML-compatible, and contains no characters in the range U+0041 to U+005A (LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A to LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z).  All attributes on HTML elements in HTML documents get ASCII-lowercased automatically, so the restriction on ASCII uppercase letters doesn't affect such documents.
16:53:24 <aphillip> clarify that it's ascii-only or clarify what to do with non-ASCII since XML-compatible allows....
16:53:35 <aphillip> approved
16:53:45 <aphillip> 123: Insertion of U+202C
16:54:07 <aphillip> There is one sentence that reads:  -- However, the use of these characters is restricted so that any embedding or overrides generated by these characters do not start and end with different parent elements, and so that all such embeddings and overrides are explicitly terminated by a U+202C POP DIRECTIONAL FORMATTING character. --  Shouldn't there be an explicit statement such as "any end tag for a run of phrasing content must be treated as if a U+202C had bee
16:56:43 <aphillip> Text content in HTML elements with child Text nodes, and text in attributes of HTML elements that allow free-form text, may contain characters in the range U+202A to U+202E (the bidirectional-algorithm formatting characters). However, the use of these characters is restricted so that any embedding or overrides generated by these characters do not start and end with different parent elements, and so that all such embeddings and overrides are explicitly termina
16:58:09 <aphillip> <p><LTR>This is text<b>and<POP></b> more text.</p>
16:58:49 <r12a> <p><span>......</span>......</p>
16:59:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:00:00 <aphillip> needs more attention: aharon?
17:00:43 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:01:35 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
17:01:57 <aphillip> richard: info share: sent a spec by Anne v.K.
17:02:11 <aphillip> ... specifies encodings that should be supported by browsers
17:02:19 <aphillip> ... looking for a publication home
17:03:19 <aphillip> ... add to agenda for two weeks from now
17:03:34 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minute
17:03:34 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:03:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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17:04:05 <Zakim> -fsasaki
17:04:06 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
17:04:08 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:09:08 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Richard, in I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
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17:09:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, Addison_Phillips, +41.41.888.aaaa, +1.415.885.aabb, David, Norbert, fsasaki, kojiishi, kojiishi_
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