IRC log of dap on 2012-03-07

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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 07 March 2012
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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
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Regrets: Robin_Berjon
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Present+ Dzung_Tran
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14:56:18 [glenn]
zakim, ??p3 is glenn
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+glenn; got it
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zakim, ??P9 is me
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+fjh; got it
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zakim, who is here?
14:59:05 [Zakim]
On the phone I see glenn, fjh
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On IRC I see AnssiK, Jungkee, hiroto, dtran, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, richt, trackbot, fjh, ilkka, slightlyoff, mounir, rektide, Josh_Soref, hiroto_away, dom, lgombos
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zakim, who is here?
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zakim, ??P11 is me
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On the phone I see glenn, fjh, ??P11
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+AnssiK; got it
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On IRC I see AnssiK, Jungkee, hiroto, dtran, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, richt, trackbot, fjh, ilkka, slightlyoff, mounir, rektide, Josh_Soref, hiroto_away, dom, lgombos
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btw, regrets for the f2f, as i had some travel plan changes...
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+ +86255662aaaa
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Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
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Present+ Deepanshu_Gautam
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Regrets+ Josh_Soref
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+ +1.503.542.aabb
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zakim, aabb is me
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+dtran; got it
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present+ Bryan_Sullivan
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i can scribe
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scribe: glenn
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Present+ Cathy_Chan
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ScribeNick: glenn
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Topic: Administrative
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Present+ Miguel_Paraz
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15:05:07 [glenn]
yes, i'm familiar
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Core Mobile Web Platform Community Group,
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volunteers for FileAPI review? (Last Call expected soon),
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"MediaStream Capture Scenarios" FPWD published,
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+ +
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fjh: suggests looking at mediastream fpwd
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... also request to review file api
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... any volunteers to review?
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... will leave request open, encourages volunteers
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Present+ Niklas_Widell
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Topic: Minutes Review
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Approve minutes from 22 February 2012
15:06:51 [fjh] (revised)
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proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 22 February 2012 are approved.
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RESOLVED: Minutes from 22 February 2012 are approved
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Topic: F2F Agenda
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Updated draft agenda:,_Shenzhen,_China
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WoPhone update,
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Added some suggestions for preparation to the wiki, feel free to update.
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15:07:54 [glenn]
fjh: add WoPhone update, please review
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+ +
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... please sent to public list any materials you plan to use, don't wait for f2f
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15:08:21 [glenn]
... presentations, etc., please send in advance
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zakim, ??P15 is me
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+SungOk_You; got it
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... webintents draft, service discovery draft on agenda
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... anyone able to talk about media capture?
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... will check with chairs on TF
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... moved battery, vibration, networking to afternoon of third day
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s/networking/network info/
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... is there any open requests on agenda change? if so please remind
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... not sure if/how video conf will work, ongoing discussion
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Daylight savings time inconsistency during F2F -
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... be careful about time zones due to current changes
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ACTION-505 -- Robin Berjon to check on attendees for Web Intents -- due 2012-02-22 -- OPEN
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15:11:00 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see glenn, fjh, AnssiK, +86255662aaaa, [IPcaller], ??P6, dtran (muted), Bryan_Sullivan, +, Cathy.a, SungOk_You, +
15:11:03 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Claes, nwidell, SungOk_You, mparaz, bryan, JiyeonKim, Cathy, Deep, AnssiK, Jungkee, hiroto, dtran, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, richt, trackbot, fjh, ilkka, slightlyoff,
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... mounir, rektide, Josh_Soref, hiroto_away, dom, lgombos
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Topic: Sensor API
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DeviceOrientation Spec - possible replication, feedback to Geolocation WG?
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InkML -
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List discussion, e.g.
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fjh: DeviceOrientation Spec - possible replication, feedback to Geolocation WG?
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... possible to move some material to GeoLocation work
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???: waiting for settling on list then start editing and post another draft
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... will not be present at F2F
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fjh: will moving things to device orientation spec be an issue?
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dtran: doesn't think this is an issue
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... will remove any redundant parts, to align
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fjh: noted that ML said they weren't exactly same thing
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... may need to coordinate
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dtran: ok
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djh: suggests sending summary to list and plan of action
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Topic: Network API update
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WebKit, (Gyuyoung Kim)
15:15:45 [fjh] (Mounir)
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ACTION-411 -- Robin Berjon to reply to Jo about NetInfo -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN
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15:16:08 [glenn]
fjh: expects discussion at F2F
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ACTION-474 -- Adrian Bateman to make a proposal for Network Information API -- due 2011-11-11 -- OPEN
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15:16:20 [fjh]
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ACTION-475 -- Josh Soref to propose a new Network Info -- due 2011-11-11 -- OPEN
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15:16:27 [fjh]
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ACTION-476 -- Robin Berjon to aCTION sicking to propose a new Network Info -- due 2011-11-11 -- OPEN
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15:16:28 [glenn]
... some actions need moved/closed, robin, josh, adrian tbds...
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... expect will happen on ML
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Topic: Battery, Vibration CR
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LC comment status (ACTION-508?)
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fjh: entered info into LC comments
15:17:22 [Claes]
Present+ Claes_Nilsson
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... one item in tracker
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... will process for scheduling transition call
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... claes, anything to add?
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claes: will review, and provide input on webintents for local services/networks
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fjh: encourages input early before F2F
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... needs to organize TF discussions, will contact TF chairs
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Topic: Other APIs
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fjh: no discussion at this time, please use ML
15:19:29 [bryan]
who is working on NFC use cases?
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15:19:36 [glenn]
Topic: AOB
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ack bryan
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fjh: may have call next week, but may cancel due to proximity of F2F
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bryan: ??? use cases?
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15:20:39 [glenn]
<which uses cases are being discussed?>
15:20:54 [Clarke]
zakim, ??P35 is me
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+Clarke; got it
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bryan: in US, things are moving on ???
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Present+ Clarke_Stevens
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... fit into charter?
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s/???/NFC (Near Field Communication)/
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fjh: clarke? anything to discuss?
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... suggest sending to ML
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Topic: Adjournment
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fjh: adjourned
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Present+ glenn
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- +86255662aaaa
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- +
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- +
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been glenn, fjh, AnssiK, +86255662aaaa, [IPcaller], Cathy, +1.503.542.aabb, dtran, Bryan_Sullivan, +, +,
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... SungOk_You, Clarke
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items
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logging to
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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s/trackbot, end meeting//
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s/clarke? anything to discuss?/asks specifically for individuals to send F2F materials and discussions on the public list in advance of the F2F/
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s/<which uses cases are being discussed?>//
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s/??? use cases?/NFC use cases, are they in scope, and what to discuss?/
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s/ML/mailing list/g
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s/SungOk_You+/Present+ SungOk_You//
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s/looking at mediastream fpwd/looking at mediastream fpwd before Ff2F if you have not done so/
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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Present+ SungOk_You
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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rrsagent, make minutes public
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', fjh. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, bye
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items