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16:50:26 zakim, this will be 9224
16:50:26 ok, Joshue108; I see WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM scheduled to start 20 minutes ago
16:50:56 rrsagent, make log world
16:51:27 meeting: HTML Techniques Task Force
16:51:41 Chair: Joshue
16:52:26 Agenda + Volunteers needed for allocation of techniques
16:53:20 Regrets: James Nurthen, Michael Cooper, David Todd, Christophe Strobbe, Marc Johlic
16:59:47 WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has now started
16:59:48 +??P3
16:59:58 zakim, ??P3 is Joshue
16:59:58 +Joshue; got it
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17:02:49 +??P14
17:03:19 zakim, ??P14 is Adam Solomon
17:03:19 I don't understand '??P14 is Adam Solomon', Joshue108
17:04:23 +David_MacDonald
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17:05:10 scribe:bailey
17:05:25 scribeNick: Bruce
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17:06:10 Main concern is people taking up techniques
17:06:29 LGR: Rough drafts encouraged
17:06:37 Adam working on resize
17:06:46 David working on landmarks
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17:08:27 Question if David work got into survey?
17:11:01 Discuss approach to write up, when to separate, when to group.
17:11:32 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_landmarks
17:11:51 ACTION: All -- take a look a davids technique
17:12:00 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120126misc/results
17:12:04 Josh working on section elements
17:12:48 Bruce thinks to works on data table techniques this week.
17:13:04 Loretta: I *will* write up the track technqiues this week...
17:13:24 ITEM: Using ARIA Landmarks
17:16:49 Survey was closed 2012-01-26
17:17:08 Issue with commenting on closed survey.
17:17:50 Loretta making up survey for new comments.
17:19:22 Providing real-time feedback to David. David editing in wiki.
17:19:35 dmacdona
17:22:59 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120305misc/
17:23:09 Discussion of techniques which really only benefit AT screen reader users.
17:24:38 Adam to add this talking point in survey response.
17:27:11 open issue Using ARIA landmarks
17:27:49 TOPIC: Using ARIA landmarks
17:30:00 zakim, mute me
17:30:00 Joshue should now be muted
17:32:41 For anyone not on the call who wishes to comment on the ARIA landmarks technique please visit http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120305misc/
17:34:56 David raises question of HTML5 vs. HTML4/XHTML issues. This is good example of that because DIV is a hack compared to elements available in HTML5.
17:36:02 ok, I added some comments to the survey.
17:36:08 me too
17:36:17 and Adam
17:36:25 zakim, unmute me
17:36:25 Joshue should no longer be muted
17:38:57 moving to text in irc...
17:41:21 Discussing survey responses.
17:42:36 Discussing how much user agent support required for a technique to be sufficient.
17:44:07 Techniques must be specific to Success Criteria.
17:44:51 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H42.html
17:44:52 It is possible that some ARIA techniques may not map directly to S.C.
17:45:17 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/G141.html
17:46:10 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H69.html
17:46:36 Advisory techniques not followed nearly as much as sufficient techniques.
17:46:47 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20101014/navigation-mechanisms-skip.html
17:47:59 Loretta provides examples using heading for organization and navigation.
17:48:54 Recall that H69 as sufficient is being criticized and may be reduced to advisory at some point.
17:49:47 i have to step away to figure out the jackhammer... be back in 2 minutes
17:50:21 Issue: Concern that some ARIA may end up being purely advisory.
17:50:42 Sufficiency on a per-SC basis.
17:51:18 Proposed: Work from SC and look for ARIA techniques rather than from ARIA techniques to SC.
17:51:31 back but on mute
17:51:57 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/HTML5
17:52:27 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
17:52:40 Loretta points out that this is the way techniques are organized now.
17:53:04 ACTION: Josh to check if ARIA roles etc are mapped to success criteria they may satisfy
17:53:30 Loretta points out that landmark roles not listed as sufficient for 1.3.1
17:53:51 sorry but i have to leave in two minutes
17:54:29 q+ David to say that we can make sufficient techniques
17:55:11 May need to combine ARIA with scripting
17:55:21 H70: Using frame elements to group blocks of repeated material (HTML) AND H64: Using the title attribute of the frame and iframe elements (HTML)
17:55:59 -??P14
17:56:37 Combining techniques (e.g. ARIA plus scripting) has been used for satisfying SC
17:57:50 Consensus is importance with ARIA being non-advisory techniques
17:59:08 Discussion on proof-of-concept for navigating by keyboard.
18:00:20 ACTION: Josh to find out if anyone is interested in creating accessibility test cases that go beyond screen reader use.
18:03:56 -David_MacDonald
18:04:03 -Joshue
18:04:03 - +1.650.253.aaaa
18:04:05 -Bruce_Bailey
18:04:07 WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
18:04:07 Attendees were Joshue, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, +1.650.253.aaaa
18:04:12 rrsagent, make minutes
18:04:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/05-html-techs-tf-minutes.html Joshue108
18:04:56 zakim, please part
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