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15:58:24 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
15:58:24 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:28 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
15:58:28 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
15:58:30 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started
15:58:31 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
15:58:54 <Zakim> +??P12
15:59:14 <kaz> zakim, ??P12 is Bob_Lund
15:59:14 <Zakim> +Bob_Lund; got it
15:59:25 <Zakim> +??P14
15:59:37 <Clarke> Zakim, ??P14 is me
15:59:37 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
16:00:27 <kaz> Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconf
16:00:33 <kaz> Chair: Clarke
16:00:37 <kaz> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_1st_March_2012
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16:01:21 <Zakim> +Oliver_Goldman
16:01:43 <kaz> zakim, Oliver_Goldman is Joe_Steele
16:01:44 <Zakim> +Joe_Steele; got it
16:01:55 <Zakim> +??P10
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16:02:06 <glenn> zakim, ??p10 is me
16:02:06 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
16:02:56 <Zakim> +Duncan
16:03:29 <joesteele> I did not see anything on the agenda link sent -- is there another?
16:03:34 <kaz> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Bob_Lund, Clarke, Joe_Steele, Glenn_Adams, Duncan_Rowden
16:04:30 <Zakim> +Russell
16:04:41 <Zakim> + +5840581aaaa
16:04:46 <kaz> present+ Russell_Berkoff
16:05:44 <Zakim> +Jason
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16:06:08 <Zakim> + +1.206.218.aabb
16:06:12 <kaz> present+ Jason
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16:06:46 <Russell_Berkoff> <Clarke> HTML WG meets after this group
16:06:49 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:07:01 <Zakim> +Franck
16:07:07 <kaz> present+ Franck
16:07:11 <Zakim> -Franck
16:07:19 <Russell_Berkoff> <Clarke> Will try to resolve where work gets done
16:07:32 <kaz> s/<Clarke>/Clarke:/
16:07:49 <Zakim> +Jan_Lindquist
16:07:58 <kaz> present+ Jan_Lindquist
16:08:13 <Zakim> +Franck
16:08:21 <Russell_Berkoff> <Clarke> Our charter provides fb on APIs regardless of where work gets done on content protection
16:08:27 <Zakim> +MarkW
16:08:27 <kaz> s/<Clarke>/Clarke:/
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16:08:42 <kaz> present+ Mark_Watson
16:08:52 <Russell_Berkoff> RRSAgent scribe Russell Berkoff
16:09:22 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
16:09:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:09:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:10:04 <kaz> s/<Clarke>/Clarke:/
16:10:26 <kaz> i/HTML WG meets/scribenick: Russell_Berkoff/
16:10:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:10:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:10:40 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
16:10:49 <kaz> present+ Mark_Vickers
16:11:10 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Next item - discussion of req document for content prot
16:11:32 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Create skeleton
16:11:47 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF MPTF page
16:12:04 <kaz> s/page/dashboard page/
16:12:05 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: See home network TF document
16:12:07 <johnsim> yes
16:12:14 <johnsim> dialed in 5 minutes late
16:12:25 <kaz> zakim, [Microsoft] is John_Simmons
16:12:25 <Zakim> +John_Simmons; got it
16:12:44 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Front pg on dash board - Things for content protection
16:13:21 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Discuss requirements for Content Prot
16:13:51 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Critique ones listed currently (requirements)
16:14:30 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: MPTF taks no position on users, owners and SPs
16:15:07 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: For content protection
16:15:07 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
16:15:18 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: glenn (35%), Clarke (54%)
16:15:19 <glenn> glenn
16:15:31 <Russell_Berkoff> Glenn: Change "contract" to "legal arrangement"
16:15:38 <glenn> legal agreement (e.g., contract)
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16:16:15 <kaz> s/legal arrangement/legal agreement (e.g., contract)/
16:16:19 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Obj for MPTF is to provide terms for those agreements
16:17:23 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Concentrate on technical solutions for techical issues 
16:18:27 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: System  Will not guarantee misues of content per Content Protection contract
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16:19:30 <kaz> present+ +5840581aaaa
16:19:32 <Russell_Berkoff> Bob: Goal to meet Content Protection agreements
16:19:41 <kaz> present+ +1.206.218.aabb
16:19:49 <Russell_Berkoff> Jason: Requirements may vary greatly
16:20:27 <Russell_Berkoff> Bob: Need to address union of Content Protection requirements
16:20:49 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Range of agreements between parties
16:21:50 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:21:57 <joesteele> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/HTML_Content_Protection_Requirements
16:22:01 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jason (69%), Clarke (45%)
16:22:02 <Russell_Berkoff> Jason: Should include background info in Content Protection doc on MPTF page
16:23:28 <Zakim> +Franck.a
16:23:43 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: 2nd bullet - Content protection must specify rights in Content Protection agreements
16:23:44 <Zakim> -Franck.a
16:24:33 <Zakim> +Franck.a
16:25:21 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Various parties in CP agreements
16:25:44 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Working through rights fom parties
16:25:58 <Russell_Berkoff> s/fom/for/
16:26:04 <mark> mark has joined #webtv
16:26:24 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:26:35 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 16 (72%), Franck.a (19%), Joe_Steele (43%), Clarke (47%)
16:26:42 <Russell_Berkoff> ?: CP protection must be implementable in open browsers?
16:27:19 <kaz> s/?:/Joe:/
16:27:31 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Change requirement to should (from must)
16:27:39 <glenn> may be difficult to define "open browser"
16:27:51 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: CP system must not advantage one method over another
16:28:01 <Zakim> -Franck
16:28:30 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: DTCP vs IP
16:28:38 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:28:46 <Russell_Berkoff> ?: Agnostic to CP method
16:28:49 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Franck.a (23%), Joe_Steele (5%), Jason (30%), glenn (5%), Clarke (70%)
16:29:05 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:29:06 <glenn> zakim, mute me
16:29:06 <Zakim> glenn should now be muted
16:29:15 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 15 (85%), Franck.a (29%), Jason (85%), glenn (5%), Clarke (11%)
16:29:31 <Russell_Berkoff> ?:  We're not providing CP system
16:29:49 <mark> could someone repost the link to the doc we are discussing ? I joined the IRC late...
16:30:06 <kaz> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF#Content_Protection
16:30:07 <Russell_Berkoff> ?: APIs should not advantage one particular method
16:30:20 <kaz> s/?:/Jason:/g
16:30:53 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Should have baseline method
16:31:42 <Russell_Berkoff> Jason: Why make baseline method mandatory?
16:32:06 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:32:17 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Franck.a (30%), Joe_Steele (74%)
16:32:24 <Russell_Berkoff> Jason: Clear-key is mandatory method
16:33:15 <Russell_Berkoff> Jason: Will paid SPs actually use baseline method?
16:33:28 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:33:38 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Franck.a (38%)
16:33:53 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:34:04 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Franck.a (9%), Jason (5%), Clarke (90%)
16:34:11 <kaz> s/Jason:/Joe:/
16:35:00 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Additional comment on baseline method?
16:35:14 <Russell_Berkoff> Mark: Change required to recommended?
16:35:25 <kaz> s/Mark:/MarkW:/
16:35:29 <Russell_Berkoff> Mark: Unwise to mandate method
16:35:38 <kaz> s/Mark:/MarkW:/
16:35:39 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Change to should?
16:35:52 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:36:03 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Franck.a (14%), Clarke (5%), MarkW (47%)
16:36:15 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
16:36:20 <Russell_Berkoff> MarkW: OpenSource implementation a requirement?
16:36:26 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Franck.a (20%), Joe_Steele (20%), Clarke (45%), MarkW (4%), Mark_Vickers (20%)
16:36:38 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: May want to consider later?
16:37:22 <Russell_Berkoff> ?: CP solutions must work with OpenSource browsers?
16:37:29 <kaz> s/?:/mav:/
16:37:50 <Russell_Berkoff> MarkW: Dont need whole system implementable in OpenSource browsers
16:38:08 <kaz> s/Dont/Don't/
16:38:22 <glenn> in other words, the basic mechanism should be implementable in O/S, but specific CDM implementations may not be implementable, due to technical or licensing reasons
16:39:43 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Changed wording CP methods miust work with OpenSource browsers (vs implementable in)
16:40:04 <Russell_Berkoff> mav: Must address HTML5 features
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16:41:20 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: CP must be usable in HTML5
16:41:47 <Russell_Berkoff> Clarke: Must be usable w/TimedTracks etc
16:41:55 <Russell_Berkoff> Jason: Must or Should?
16:42:09 <acolwell> kaz: Hi
16:42:38 <acolwell> kaz: thanks. I'm listening in on the call
16:43:05 <Zakim> -Jan_Lindquist
16:43:40 <Russell_Berkoff> ?: Feature should be covered by CP when available
16:44:50 <Russell_Berkoff> ?: Copying to Canvas disable for protected content?
16:44:57 <glenn> need to distinguish between features available during encryption vs features available during copy protection/drm regime; they may be different
16:45:09 <kaz> zakim, unmute me
16:45:09 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should no longer be muted
16:45:28 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Aaron
16:45:28 <Zakim> +Aaron; got it
16:45:48 <kaz> s/?:/acolwell:/
16:46:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:46:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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16:48:03 <R_Berkoff> Clarke: Other discussion?
16:48:30 <R_Berkoff> Clarke: Added link for Adaptive Bit Rate
16:48:50 <R_Berkoff> Clarke: Aaron joined us today from Google
16:49:26 <R_Berkoff> Aaron: Working with MarkW 
16:49:37 <kaz> present: Kaz_Ashimura, Bob_Lund, Clarke, Joe_Steele, Glenn_Adams, Duncan_Rowden, Russell_Berkoff, Jason, Franck, Jan_Lindquist, Mark_Watson, Mark_Vickers, Aaron Colwell, +5840581aaaa
16:50:04 <R_Berkoff> Clarke: Closing meeting
16:50:09 <Zakim> -glenn
16:50:11 <Zakim> -Duncan
16:50:12 <Zakim> -John_Simmons
16:50:12 <Zakim> -Jason
16:50:13 <Zakim> -Joe_Steele
16:50:15 <Zakim> -Aaron
16:50:16 <R_Berkoff> Clarke: See folks on HTML5 call
16:50:16 <Zakim> -Bob_Lund
16:50:16 <Zakim> -Franck.a
16:50:16 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
16:50:19 <Zakim> -MarkW
16:50:29 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:50:35 <R_Berkoff> RRSagent, draft minutes
16:50:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-webtv-minutes.html R_Berkoff
16:50:41 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:50:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, Russell, +5840581aaaa
16:50:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see R_Berkoff, acolwell, mark, BobLund, jasonlewis, duncanr, joesteele, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, glenn, timeless, trackbot
16:50:53 <R_Berkoff> RRSagent, publish minutes
16:50:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-webtv-minutes.html R_Berkoff
16:50:54 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
16:51:09 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
16:51:16 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
16:51:28 <Zakim> -Clarke
16:51:38 <Zakim> - +5840581aaaa
16:51:42 <Zakim> -Russell
16:51:45 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:51:46 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
16:51:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Bob_Lund, Clarke, Joe_Steele, glenn, Duncan, Russell, +5840581aaaa, Jason, +1.206.218.aabb, Franck, Jan_Lindquist, MarkW, Mark_Vickers, John_Simmons, Aaron
16:52:49 <kaz> i/Other discussion?/scribenick: R_Berkoff/
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16:53:16 <kaz> i/HTML WG meets after this group/topic: Content protection/
16:53:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:53:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:56:35 <joesteele> kaz -- my comment "Will paid SPs..." is incorrect  -- what I said was -- "we should have a mandatory method, whether or not paid SPs will use it"
16:57:58 <kaz> s/Will paid SPs actually use baseline method?/we should have a mandatory method, whether or not paid SPs will use it/
16:58:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:58:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:58:14 <joesteele> thanks
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