IRC log of tt on 2012-03-01
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be DFXP
- 14:57:27 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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- Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
- 14:57:28 [trackbot]
- Date: 01 March 2012
- 14:57:35 [glenn]
- zakim, this will be ttml
- 14:57:35 [Zakim]
- ok, glenn; I see Vide_TTML()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Vide_TTML()10:00AM has now started
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- + +44.844.800.aaaa
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- +??P4
- 15:00:11 [glenn]
- zakim, ??P4 is me
- 15:00:11 [Zakim]
- +glenn; got it
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- +Mike_Dolan
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- + +49.893.aabb
- 15:01:20 [glenn]
- zakim, aabb is andreas-irt
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- +andreas-irt; got it
- 15:01:32 [glenn]
- chair: sean
- 15:01:35 [glenn]
- scribe: glenn
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Feb/0029.html
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- regrets geoff
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- +Plh
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- trackbot-ng, start telcon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 15:05:13 [glenn]
- sean: franz may be at a meeting in london, this is probably it for today
- 15:05:13 [trackbot]
- Zakim, this will be DFXP
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- Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
- 15:05:14 [trackbot]
- Date: 01 March 2012
- 15:05:17 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
- 15:05:21 [plh]
- zakim, this is tt
- 15:05:23 [Zakim]
- ok, plh; that matches Vide_TTML()10:00AM
- 15:05:26 [glenn]
- plh: i already set up trackbot
- 15:05:50 [glenn]
- np
- 15:06:00 [plh]
- zaki, aaaa is Sean
- 15:06:04 [glenn]
- chair: sean
- 15:06:07 [plh]
- zakim, aaaa is Sean
- 15:06:07 [Zakim]
- +Sean; got it
- 15:06:07 [glenn]
- scribe: glenn
- 15:06:11 [glenn]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Feb/0029.html
- 15:06:18 [Zakim]
- + +1.617.300.aacc - is perhaps WGBH?
- 15:07:05 [glenn]
- sean: has made editorial changes to charger per last week
- 15:07:11 [glenn]
- ... but not yet published
- 15:07:24 [glenn]
- zakim, aacc is wgbh
- 15:07:24 [Zakim]
- sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
- 15:07:39 [plh]
- charter updated: http://www.w3.org/2012/02/timed-text-wg-charter.html
- 15:07:41 [glenn]
- zakim, +1.617.300.aacc is wgbh
- 15:07:41 [Zakim]
- sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named '+1.617.300.aacc'
- 15:08:31 [plh]
- zakim, aacc is really WGBH
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- sorry, plh, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
- 15:08:44 [plh]
- zakim, you're not cooperating
- 15:08:44 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'you're not cooperating', plh
- 15:08:55 [glenn]
- ACTION-152?
- 15:08:55 [trackbot]
- ACTION-152 does not exist
- 15:08:59 [Sean]
- Geoff is WGBH?
- 15:09:15 [plh]
- action-44?
- 15:09:15 [trackbot]
- ACTION-44 -- Glenn Adams to redirect errata -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/44
- 15:09:22 [glenn]
- ISSUE-152?
- 15:09:22 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-152 -- language in 9.3.3 -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/152
- 15:09:48 [plh]
- Glenn: I updated the draft
- 15:09:54 [plh]
- ... redirect is in place
- 15:10:15 [plh]
- ... I found some issues due parameters
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- s/due/due to/
- 15:10:36 [plh]
- ... so folks might need to update their bookmarks
- 15:10:51 [plh]
- issue-152?
- 15:10:51 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-152 -- language in 9.3.3 -- open
- 15:10:51 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/152
- 15:11:27 [plh]
- action-43?
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- ACTION-43 -- Glenn Adams to implement edit for issue-152 -- due 2012-03-01 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/43
- 15:11:27 [glenn]
- action-43?
- 15:11:27 [trackbot]
- ACTION-43 -- Glenn Adams to implement edit for issue-152 -- due 2012-03-01 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/43
- 15:11:30 [glenn]
- action-45?
- 15:11:31 [trackbot]
- ACTION-45 -- Glenn Adams to effect editorial change on issue-153 -- due 2012-03-01 -- CLOSED
- 15:11:33 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/45
- 15:12:47 [plh]
- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/5b9abdec7634
- 15:13:36 [glenn]
- http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10/spec/ttaf1-dfxp.html
- 15:14:48 [glenn]
- action-44?
- 15:14:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-44 -- Glenn Adams to redirect errata -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
- 15:14:48 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/44
- 15:14:54 [glenn]
- not yet implement
- 15:15:55 [plh]
- +1 to mercurial
- 15:16:41 [glenn]
- will follow up with plh on action-44
- 15:17:08 [plh]
- plh: can we close issue 152 and 153?
- 15:17:20 [plh]
- sean: let's wait to review the changes first
- 15:17:37 [glenn]
- leave issues 152, 153 open for a week, pending review, then close next week
- 15:17:53 [plh]
- action-46?
- 15:17:53 [trackbot]
- ACTION-46 -- Glenn Adams to remove examples as editorial change -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
- 15:17:53 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/46
- 15:18:11 [plh]
- Glenn: got ready to do that. I wasn't exactly sure on the instruction however
- 15:18:18 [plh]
- ... and not sure we should do that
- 15:18:33 [plh]
- ... I think section 12.1.1 metadata has two example fragments
- 15:18:43 [plh]
- ... one is foreign metadata
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- ... and one is element metadata
- 15:19:02 [plh]
- ... is that what I was supposed to remove?
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- Sean: no
- 15:19:09 [plh]
- ... in Annex F
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- ... we have F.1 DFXP profile
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- ... there was a feature there
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- ... and no corresponding features in annex E
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- --> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10/spec/ttaf1-dfxp.html#profile-dfxp-transformation F.1 DFXP Transformation Profile
- 15:20:14 [plh]
- ... as well as F1, F2, and F3
- 15:20:49 [plh]
- action-46: examples to fix are in F1, F2, F3. search for a feature that is not defined in annex D
- 15:20:49 [trackbot]
- ACTION-46 Remove examples as editorial change notes added
- 15:21:49 [plh]
- action-46: remove <feature value="optional">#metadata-foreign</feature> from the examples
- 15:21:49 [trackbot]
- ACTION-46 Remove examples as editorial change notes added
- 15:22:09 [plh]
- Sean: I have no object to adding it though
- 15:22:17 [plh]
- ... it's not critical either way
- 15:22:26 [plh]
- ... if it's an easy change, that's fine
- 15:22:30 [plh]
- ... it's not a huge change
- 15:22:42 [plh]
- ... right now, it didn't seem sensible to keep it
- 15:23:01 [plh]
- ?: what would it mean to keep it?
- 15:24:03 [plh]
- Glenn: it's not really rejecting but ignored. the spec requires that foreign attributes to remove before doing validity. if the feature was required, it would mean that the transformation process would have to keep it into account
- 15:24:32 [plh]
- Sean: seems that they should use a specific flag instead, rather than a generic one
- 15:24:37 [plh]
- ?: +1
- 15:24:54 [plh]
- Glenn: ok, let's remove the feature token and people can introduce their owns
- 15:25:02 [plh]
- Sean: agreed, it's better for everyone
- 15:25:16 [plh]
- ... and make more sense in light of the extension mechanism
- 15:25:23 [plh]
- Glenn: ok, I'll do the change then
- 15:25:34 [glenn]
- plh: i can continue now
- 15:25:47 [glenn]
- topic: end sync issue
- 15:25:54 [glenn]
- sean: any input?
- 15:26:03 [glenn]
- ... leave open for more review
- 15:26:11 [plh]
- Sean: did people look at the action on default endsync?
- 15:26:15 [plh]
- [no answer]
- 15:26:23 [plh]
- Sean: let's keep it open for now
- 15:26:26 [glenn]
- issue-154?
- 15:26:26 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-154 -- Clarify the endsync behavior -- open
- 15:26:26 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/154
- 15:26:41 [plh]
- Topic: Issue 151
- 15:26:44 [plh]
- issue-151?
- 15:26:44 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-151 -- Clarify syncbase in SMPTE continuous mode -- open
- 15:26:44 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/151
- 15:27:02 [glenn]
- topic: clarify syncbase on smpte continuous mode
- 15:36:20 [Sean]
- Mike: There are illegal expressions in smpte timecode
- 15:36:24 [Zakim]
- -Sean
- 15:36:52 [Sean]
- what is goin gon?
- 15:36:59 [plh]
- you got dropped
- 15:37:04 [plh]
- can you dial back?
- 15:37:19 [Sean]
- OK. I'm listening to some weird call
- 15:37:23 [Sean]
- back in a sec
- 15:38:07 [Zakim]
- +Sean
- 15:39:09 [glenn]
- action: glenn to add "(Second Edition)" to draft
- 15:39:10 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-47 - Add "(Second Edition)" to draft [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-08].
- 15:39:41 [glenn]
- action: sean to elaborate issue-151 points
- 15:39:41 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-48 - Elaborate issue-151 points [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-03-08].
- 15:42:43 [glenn]
- issue-157?
- 15:42:43 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-157 -- transformation profile -- open
- 15:42:43 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/157
- 15:52:52 [glenn]
- topic: what does "transformation semantics" mean (see D.1.102)
- 15:53:21 [glenn]
- action: glenn to add note and editorial text elaborating "transformation semantics"
- 15:53:21 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-49 - Add note and editorial text elaborating "transformation semantics" [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-08].
- 15:53:26 [glenn]
- issue-156?
- 15:53:26 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-156 -- semantics of missing #feature -- open
- 15:53:26 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/156
- 15:59:34 [glenn]
- plh: regrets for next week, will be traveling
- 15:59:43 [Zakim]
- -WGBH?
- 15:59:46 [Zakim]
- -Plh
- 15:59:48 [Zakim]
- -Sean
- 15:59:48 [Zakim]
- -Mike_Dolan
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- -andreas-irt
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- -glenn
- 15:59:49 [Zakim]
- Vide_TTML()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +44.844.800.aaaa, glenn, Mike_Dolan, +49.893.aabb, andreas-irt, Plh, Sean, +1.617.300.aacc
- 16:00:14 [glenn]
- topic: adjournment
- 16:00:22 [glenn]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 16:00:22 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 16:00:22 [Zakim]
- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
- 16:00:30 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 16:00:30 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-minutes.html trackbot
- 16:00:31 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:00:31 [RRSAgent]
- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-actions.rdf :
- 16:00:31 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: glenn to add "(Second Edition)" to draft [1]
- 16:00:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-irc#T15-39-09
- 16:00:31 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: sean to elaborate issue-151 points [2]
- 16:00:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-irc#T15-39-41
- 16:00:31 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: glenn to add note and editorial text elaborating "transformation semantics" [3]
- 16:00:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-irc#T15-53-21