14:57:23 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #tt
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14:57:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:57:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DFXP
14:57:27 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:57:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:57:28 <trackbot> Date: 01 March 2012
14:57:35 <glenn> zakim, this will be ttml
14:57:35 <Zakim> ok, glenn; I see Vide_TTML()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:58:45 <Zakim> Vide_TTML()10:00AM has now started
14:58:53 <Zakim> + +44.844.800.aaaa
14:59:33 <mike> mike has joined #tt
14:59:58 <Zakim> +??P4
15:00:11 <glenn> zakim, ??P4 is me
15:00:11 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:00:15 <Zakim> +Mike_Dolan
15:00:58 <Zakim> + +49.893.aabb
15:01:20 <glenn> zakim, aabb is andreas-irt
15:01:20 <Zakim> +andreas-irt; got it
15:01:32 <glenn> chair: sean
15:01:35 <glenn> scribe: glenn
15:02:03 <glenn> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Feb/0029.html
15:03:07 <glenn> regrets geoff
15:04:16 <plh> plh has joined #tt
15:04:20 <Zakim> +Plh
15:05:09 <plh> trackbot-ng, start telcon
15:05:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:05:13 <glenn> sean: franz may be at a meeting in london, this is probably it for today
15:05:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DFXP
15:05:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
15:05:14 <trackbot> Date: 01 March 2012
15:05:17 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:05:21 <plh> zakim, this is tt
15:05:23 <Zakim> ok, plh; that matches Vide_TTML()10:00AM
15:05:26 <glenn> plh: i already set up trackbot
15:05:50 <glenn> np
15:06:00 <plh> zaki, aaaa is Sean
15:06:04 <glenn> chair: sean
15:06:07 <plh> zakim, aaaa is Sean
15:06:07 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
15:06:07 <glenn> scribe: glenn
15:06:11 <glenn> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Feb/0029.html
15:06:18 <Zakim> + +1.617.300.aacc - is perhaps WGBH?
15:07:05 <glenn> sean: has made editorial changes to charger per last week
15:07:11 <glenn> ... but not yet published
15:07:24 <glenn> zakim, aacc is wgbh
15:07:24 <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
15:07:39 <plh> charter updated: http://www.w3.org/2012/02/timed-text-wg-charter.html
15:07:41 <glenn> zakim, +1.617.300.aacc is wgbh
15:07:41 <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named '+1.617.300.aacc'
15:08:31 <plh> zakim, aacc is really WGBH
15:08:31 <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
15:08:44 <plh> zakim, you're not cooperating
15:08:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'you're not cooperating', plh
15:08:55 <glenn> ACTION-152?
15:08:55 <trackbot> ACTION-152 does not exist
15:08:59 <Sean> Geoff is WGBH?
15:09:15 <plh> action-44?
15:09:15 <trackbot> ACTION-44 -- Glenn Adams to redirect errata -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
15:09:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/44
15:09:22 <glenn> ISSUE-152?
15:09:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- language in 9.3.3 -- open
15:09:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/152
15:09:48 <plh> Glenn: I updated the draft
15:09:54 <plh> ... redirect is in place
15:10:15 <plh> ... I found some issues due parameters
15:10:26 <plh> s/due/due to/
15:10:36 <plh> ... so folks might need to update their bookmarks
15:10:51 <plh> issue-152?
15:10:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- language in 9.3.3 -- open
15:10:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/152
15:11:27 <plh> action-43?
15:11:27 <trackbot> ACTION-43 -- Glenn Adams to implement edit for issue-152 -- due 2012-03-01 -- CLOSED
15:11:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/43
15:11:27 <glenn> action-43?
15:11:27 <trackbot> ACTION-43 -- Glenn Adams to implement edit for issue-152 -- due 2012-03-01 -- CLOSED
15:11:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/43
15:11:30 <glenn> action-45?
15:11:31 <trackbot> ACTION-45 -- Glenn Adams to effect editorial change on issue-153 -- due 2012-03-01 -- CLOSED
15:11:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/45
15:12:47 <plh> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/5b9abdec7634
15:13:36 <glenn> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10/spec/ttaf1-dfxp.html
15:14:48 <glenn> action-44?
15:14:48 <trackbot> ACTION-44 -- Glenn Adams to redirect errata -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
15:14:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/44
15:14:54 <glenn> not yet implement
15:15:55 <plh> +1 to mercurial
15:16:41 <glenn> will follow up with plh on action-44
15:17:08 <plh> plh: can we close issue 152 and 153?
15:17:20 <plh> sean: let's wait to review the changes first
15:17:37 <glenn> leave issues 152, 153 open for a week, pending review, then close next week
15:17:53 <plh> action-46?
15:17:53 <trackbot> ACTION-46 -- Glenn Adams to remove examples as editorial change -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
15:17:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/46
15:18:11 <plh> Glenn: got ready to do that. I wasn't exactly sure on the instruction however
15:18:18 <plh> ... and not sure we should do that
15:18:33 <plh> ... I think section 12.1.1 metadata has two example fragments
15:18:43 <plh> ... one is foreign metadata
15:18:50 <plh> ... and one is element metadata
15:19:02 <plh> ... is that what I was supposed to remove?
15:19:06 <plh> Sean: no
15:19:09 <plh> ... in Annex F
15:19:19 <plh> ... we have F.1 DFXP profile
15:19:26 <plh> ... there was a feature there
15:19:48 <plh> ... and no corresponding features in annex E
15:20:05 <plh> --> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10/spec/ttaf1-dfxp.html#profile-dfxp-transformation F.1 DFXP Transformation Profile
15:20:14 <plh> ... as well as F1, F2, and F3
15:20:49 <plh> action-46: examples to fix are in F1, F2, F3. search for a feature that is not defined in annex D
15:20:49 <trackbot> ACTION-46 Remove examples as editorial change notes added
15:21:49 <plh> action-46: remove  <feature value="optional">#metadata-foreign</feature> from the examples
15:21:49 <trackbot> ACTION-46 Remove examples as editorial change notes added
15:22:09 <plh> Sean: I have no object to adding it though
15:22:17 <plh> ... it's not critical either way
15:22:26 <plh> ... if it's an easy change, that's fine
15:22:30 <plh> ... it's not a huge change
15:22:42 <plh> ... right now, it didn't seem sensible to keep it
15:23:01 <plh> ?: what would it mean to keep it?
15:24:03 <plh> Glenn: it's not really rejecting but ignored. the spec requires that foreign attributes to remove before doing validity. if the feature was required, it would mean that the transformation process would have to keep it into account
15:24:32 <plh> Sean: seems that they should use a specific flag instead, rather than a generic one
15:24:37 <plh> ?: +1
15:24:54 <plh> Glenn: ok, let's remove the feature token and people can introduce their owns
15:25:02 <plh> Sean: agreed, it's better for everyone
15:25:16 <plh> ... and make more sense in light of the extension mechanism
15:25:23 <plh> Glenn: ok, I'll do the change then
15:25:34 <glenn> plh: i can continue now
15:25:47 <glenn> topic: end sync issue
15:25:54 <glenn> sean: any input?
15:26:03 <glenn> ... leave open for more review
15:26:11 <plh> Sean: did people look at the action on default endsync?
15:26:15 <plh> [no answer]
15:26:23 <plh> Sean: let's keep it open for now
15:26:26 <glenn> issue-154?
15:26:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- Clarify the endsync behavior -- open
15:26:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/154
15:26:41 <plh> Topic: Issue 151
15:26:44 <plh> issue-151?
15:26:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Clarify syncbase in SMPTE continuous mode -- open
15:26:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/151
15:27:02 <glenn> topic: clarify syncbase on smpte continuous mode
15:36:20 <Sean> Mike: There are illegal expressions in smpte timecode
15:36:24 <Zakim> -Sean
15:36:52 <Sean> what is goin gon?
15:36:59 <plh> you got dropped
15:37:04 <plh> can you dial back?
15:37:19 <Sean> OK. I'm listening to some weird call
15:37:23 <Sean> back in a sec
15:38:07 <Zakim> +Sean
15:39:09 <glenn> action: glenn to add "(Second Edition)" to draft
15:39:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Add "(Second Edition)" to draft [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-08].
15:39:41 <glenn> action: sean to elaborate issue-151 points
15:39:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Elaborate issue-151 points [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-03-08].
15:42:43 <glenn> issue-157?
15:42:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- transformation profile -- open
15:42:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/157
15:52:52 <glenn> topic: what does "transformation semantics" mean (see D.1.102)
15:53:21 <glenn> action: glenn to add note and editorial text elaborating "transformation semantics"
15:53:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-49 - Add note and editorial text elaborating "transformation semantics" [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-08].
15:53:26 <glenn> issue-156?
15:53:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-156 -- semantics of missing #feature -- open
15:53:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/156
15:59:34 <glenn> plh: regrets for next week, will be traveling
15:59:43 <Zakim> -WGBH?
15:59:46 <Zakim> -Plh
15:59:48 <Zakim> -Sean
15:59:48 <Zakim> -Mike_Dolan
15:59:49 <Zakim> -andreas-irt
15:59:49 <Zakim> -glenn
15:59:49 <Zakim> Vide_TTML()10:00AM has ended
15:59:49 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.844.800.aaaa, glenn, Mike_Dolan, +49.893.aabb, andreas-irt, Plh, Sean, +1.617.300.aacc
16:00:14 <glenn> topic: adjournment
16:00:22 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
16:00:22 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:00:22 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:00:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-minutes.html trackbot
16:00:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:00:31 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-actions.rdf :
16:00:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to add "(Second Edition)" to draft [1]
16:00:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-irc#T15-39-09
16:00:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sean to elaborate issue-151 points [2]
16:00:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-irc#T15-39-41
16:00:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to add note and editorial text elaborating "transformation semantics" [3]
16:00:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-tt-irc#T15-53-21