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16:59:40 RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:59:42 Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:59:42 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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16:59:43 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:59:43 Date: 01 March 2012
16:59:55 +[Microsoft]
17:00:11 +[Apple]
17:00:12 +Sam
17:00:14 +[Microsoft.a]
17:00:19 Zakim, Apple has me
17:00:19 +hober; got it
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17:00:34 zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
17:00:34 +paulc; got it
17:00:38 +??P7
17:00:43 + +1.760.591.aaaa
17:00:46 zakim, ??P7 is me
17:00:46 +Clarke; got it
17:00:47 +??P12
17:01:03 + +9251280aabb
17:01:13 Zakim, +9251280aabb is me
17:01:13 +Julian; got it
17:01:17 Zakim, mute me
17:01:17 Julian should now be muted
17:01:23 zakim, who is on the phone?
17:01:23 On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, kimberly, [Microsoft], [Apple], Sam, [Microsoft.a], Clarke, +1.760.591.aaaa, ??P12, Julian (muted)
17:01:23 [Microsoft.a] has paulc
17:01:23 [Apple] has hober
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17:01:52 Zakim, call Mike
17:01:52 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:01:54 +Mike
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17:02:38 + +1.858.735.aacc
17:02:52 +??P25
17:03:00 zakim, ??p25 is glenn
17:03:00 +glenn; got it
17:03:09 zakim, mute me
17:03:09 glenn should now be muted
17:03:35 ScribeNick: hober
17:03:55 +[Microsoft.aa]
17:04:03 zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
17:04:03 +adrianba; got it
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17:04:08 +MarkW
17:04:10 Topic: Action items due by Thursday, March 1
17:04:13 +pchampin
17:04:16 rubys: there are none
17:04:20 Topic: New Issues This Week:
17:04:22 rubys: there are none
17:04:26 Topic: Items Closed Last Week
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17:04:35 ISSUE-172?
17:04:35 ISSUE-172 -- restore as an optional element -- postponed
17:04:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
17:04:59 +[Microsoft.aa]
17:04:59 rubys: all the proposals were withdrawn
17:05:00 ISSUE-187?
17:05:00 ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open
17:05:00 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
17:05:03 zakim, microsoft.aa is me
17:05:03 +eliot; got it
17:05:09 ISSUE-190?
17:05:09 ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
17:05:09 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
17:05:15 rubys: call for alternates closed
17:05:17 ISSUE-191?
17:05:17 ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement and elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open
17:05:17 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
17:05:28 ISSUE-192?
17:05:28 ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open
17:05:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
17:05:39 ISSUE-200?
17:05:39 ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
17:05:39 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
17:05:52 rubys: extended the deadline, closed Feb 26
17:05:55 ISSUE-182?
17:05:55 ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- open
17:05:55 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
17:05:58 ISSUE-188?
17:05:58 ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format -- open
17:05:58 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188
17:06:11 rubys: both had CfCs that closed 2/28
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17:06:25 Topic: Items Closing This Week
17:06:33 ISSUE-189?
17:06:33 ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
17:06:33 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
17:06:38 rubys: closes today
17:06:48 Topic: Items Closing Next Week
17:06:49 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0020.html
17:06:51 ISSUE-204?
17:06:51 ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
17:06:51 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
17:07:08 rubys: chairs have provided feedback, would like to see a response by 3/10
17:07:12 +Radhika_Roy
17:07:18 Topic: New Calls this week
17:07:32 three CfCs due 3/7
17:07:32 ISSUE-170?
17:07:32 ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- open
17:07:32 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170
17:07:49 ISSUE-190?
17:07:49 ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
17:07:49 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
17:08:01 ISSUE-192?
17:08:01 ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open
17:08:01 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
17:08:15 ISSUE-200?
17:08:15 ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
17:08:15 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
17:08:30 rubys: one proposal received
17:08:38 rubys: call for counter or alternate proposals closes 3/28
17:08:40 Topic: New Surveys this week
17:08:43 rubys: there are none
17:08:45 Topic: Decisions this week
17:08:50 ISSUE-172?
17:08:50 ISSUE-172 -- restore as an optional element -- postponed
17:08:50 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
17:08:59 rubys: closed without prejudice and deferred
17:09:05 ... all proposals were withdrawn
17:09:20 zakim, who is making noise?
17:09:30 rubys, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Radhika_Roy (9%)
17:09:41 Topic: Other Business
17:09:56 rubys: CfC to publish ten heartbeat drafts as WDs
17:10:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0247.html
17:10:11 ... call went out, one objection, currently discussing that objection
17:10:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0425.html
17:10:35 paulc: i assume the chairs will have to rule here?
17:10:36 rubys: yes
17:10:47 paulc: we should let the wg know we'll attempt to do that today
17:10:55 rubys: ok
17:11:12 q+
17:11:14 rubys: Encrypted Media proposal has generated a lot of discussion on the list
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17:11:28 ... it's not clear what the intended path of the document is
17:11:33 ... we are monitoring the discussion
17:11:39 q?
17:11:42 q-
17:11:50 adrianba: i can clarify the intention
17:12:02 adrianba: we submitted the proposal for 2 reasons
17:12:14 ... came out of the web and tv ig's submission to the wg
17:12:22 ... lengthy discussion at tpac
17:12:37 ... primarily made the submission for the IG's requirements
17:12:40 ISSUE-179?
17:12:40 ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
17:12:40 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
17:13:04 adrianba: this proposal demonstrates the ability to add functionality to media elements without resorting to
17:13:20 ... current list discussion falls into two categories
17:13:27 ... do people even want to work on such a proposal
17:13:40 ... and specific feedback on things people would like clarified / changed in the draft
17:14:00 ... we are improving the proposal based on this feedback
17:14:12 ... perhaps forming a tf to work on this spec
17:14:26 ... that way the people not interested wouldn't have to see the list traffic
17:14:35 ... looking for guidance on how to move this proposal forward
17:14:40 rubys: i would support a tf
17:14:45 q+
17:14:51 ... next step is to push for a fpwd
17:15:04 ack ad
17:15:05 adrianba: fpwd may be too high a hurdle right now
17:15:20 paulc: should we create a bugzilla component for you?
17:15:32 adrianba: that would be helpful, yes
17:15:58 paulc: in the past we've made sure TFs have clear leadership, communication channels, etc.
17:16:10 ... i can do what i did for the a11y and testing TFs
17:16:45 ACTION: paulc to set up an encrypted media propsal task force, due next week
17:16:45 Created ACTION-209 - Set up an encrypted media propsal task force, due next week [on Paul Cotton - due 2012-03-08].
17:17:08 paulc: adrianba, can you be my contact?
17:17:10 adrianba: yes
17:17:20 ack paulc
17:17:22 q+ to ask if I should set up the bugzilla component
17:17:39 MikeSmith: i can set up the bugzilla component right now
17:17:48 paulc: can you easily roll that back?
17:17:52 MikeSmith: yes
17:17:58 paulc: ok, go ahead and do that
17:18:05 ... i will include you on the tf setup emails
17:18:07 ack next
17:18:08 MikeSmith, you wanted to ask if I should set up the bugzilla component
17:18:31 rubys: CfC to adopt time syntax changes
17:18:34 ISSUE-183?
17:18:34 ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
17:18:34 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
17:18:45 RRSAgent, make minutes
17:18:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-html-wg-minutes.html ArtB
17:18:51 rubys: objections were due by 2/29
17:18:59 ... likely this will pass
17:19:02 RRSAgent, make log Public
17:19:08 RRSAgent, make minutes
17:19:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-html-wg-minutes.html ArtB
17:19:09 rubys: review of second reopen request for issue 31b [alt-location]
17:19:29 rubys: we weren't able to find sufficient new information
17:19:40 ... have suggested ways to improve the request
17:19:51 rubys: Chair Review of the Change Proposals for ISSUE-179
17:19:54 ISSUE-179?
17:19:54 ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
17:19:54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
17:19:55 expect to update issue-179 CP based on chairs feedback b4 next telcon
17:20:18 rubys: expecting issue to be updated given our feedback by march 22nd
17:20:41 rubys: late change proposal for ISSUE-198
17:20:42 ISSUE-198?
17:20:42 ISSUE-198 -- Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject to the W3C patent policy -- closed
17:20:42 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/198
17:20:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0371.html
17:20:51 rubys: we got a proposal after we had marked the issue as deferred
17:20:54 q+
17:20:57 ... chairs are discussing how to proceed
17:21:16 zakim, unmute me
17:21:16 glenn should no longer be muted
17:21:21 ack next
17:22:04 glenn: the dom parsing and serialization spec is a whatwg document; do we expect it to be brought into the w3c?
17:22:11 rubys: that's actively being discussed
17:22:19 ... it may be brought into one of two different WGs
17:22:29 ack me
17:22:47 rubys: plan to submit CP for ISSUE-203
17:22:48 ISSUE-203?
17:22:48 ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
17:22:48 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
17:22:52 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0002.html
17:22:55 rubys: CP came in this morning
17:23:05 paulc: chairs are actively reviewing the CP
17:23:19 ISSUE-187?
17:23:19 ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open
17:23:19 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
17:23:39 rubys: chairs have requested for clarification and received clarification
17:23:49 ISSUE-191?
17:23:49 ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement and elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open
17:23:49 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
17:24:02 glenn, DOM Parsing and Serialization is listed as deliverable in the draft WebApps WG charter which will soon go out to the AC for review
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17:24:10 rubys: chairs requested update; the proposal is missing several necessary components
17:24:16 ok, thanks mikesmith
17:24:23 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0011.html
17:24:38 rubys: May F2F for WebApps and HTML
17:24:51 ... Microsoft has volunteered to host
17:25:00 ... in silicon valley
17:25:16 paulc: at tpac, chairs decided to host a spring meeting
17:25:38 ... april timeframe didn't work, need a lot of advanced notice to get corporate space
17:25:46 ... MSFT will host first week in May
17:26:02 ... chairs are looking for feedback on those dates
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