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15:59:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:59:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:59:28 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:59:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
15:59:30 <trackbot> Date: 29 February 2012
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16:00:16 <r12a> addison, i started the meeting
16:00:17 <r12a> already
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16:00:25 <r12a> ie. with trackbot
16:01:16 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Feb/0016.html
16:01:22 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
16:01:26 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
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16:01:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:01:49 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
16:01:50 <Zakim> sorry, r12a, I don't know what conference this is
16:01:57 <r12a> hmm
16:02:02 <aphillip> zakim, this is i18n
16:02:02 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; that matches I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
16:02:04 <Zakim> +Norbert
16:02:18 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
16:02:18 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:02:20 <Zakim> +Richard
16:02:23 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
16:02:27 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], [IPcaller], ??P11, Norbert, Richard, Addison_Phillips
16:02:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, aphillip, Zakim, RRSAgent, Gwyneth, matial, fsasaki, andrewc, najib-ma, r12a, trackbot
16:02:39 <aphillip> zakim, [Microsoft] is Gwyneth
16:02:39 <Zakim> +Gwyneth; got it
16:02:49 <aphillip> zakim, [IPcaller] is andrewc
16:02:49 <Zakim> +andrewc; got it
16:02:53 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:02:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gwyneth, andrewc, ??P11, Norbert, Richard, Addison_Phillips
16:02:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, aphillip, Zakim, RRSAgent, Gwyneth, matial, fsasaki, andrewc, najib-ma, r12a, trackbot
16:03:11 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
16:03:24 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes/Agenda
16:03:29 <r12a> zakim, P11 is Felix
16:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, r12a, I do not recognize a party named 'P11'
16:03:36 <r12a> zakim, ??P11 is Felix
16:03:36 <Zakim> +Felix; got it
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16:03:47 <aphillip> agenda+: bidi attributes
16:04:05 <aphillip> zakim, I am Addison_Phillips
16:04:05 <Zakim> ok, aphillip, I now associate you with Addison_Phillips
16:04:09 <Zakim> +joconner
16:04:23 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
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16:05:22 <Zakim> +??P26
16:05:27 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p26 is me
16:05:27 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
16:09:20 <aphillip> ACTION: David: run the time change poll
16:09:20 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David
16:09:20 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dfilip, dclarke)
16:09:43 <aphillip> ACTION: dclarke: run the time change poll
16:09:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Run the time change poll [on David Clarke - due 2012-03-07].
16:10:25 <aphillip> acttion 100: wrote to sam, but not hixie yet
16:10:53 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
16:11:30 <aphillip> close ACTION-99
16:11:30 <trackbot> ACTION-99 Invite mike to next meeting to discuss ruby spec development closed
16:12:10 <aphillip> close ACTION-98
16:12:10 <trackbot> ACTION-98 Update ruby bug with summary of current situation and asking for no re-escalation closed
16:13:07 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:13:23 <Norbert> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=globalization:specification_drafts
16:13:26 <aphillip> Norbert: ECMAScript Internationalization
16:13:34 <aphillip> ... published new spec (above link)
16:13:40 <aphillip> ... and new version of my guide:
16:13:41 <Norbert> http://norbertlindenberg.com/2012/02/ecmascript-internationalization-api/index.html
16:14:08 <aphillip> Norbert:: some progress, but needed to have a final version as of, well, yesterday
16:14:15 <aphillip> ... not enough review
16:14:20 <aphillip> ... started to discuss new schedule
16:14:32 <aphillip> ... send comments to es-discuss@
16:15:11 <aphillip> Norbert; put "internationalization" or "internationalization API" in email subject so it's visible
16:15:20 <aphillip> ... or "INTL"
16:16:22 <Zakim> +??P34
16:16:34 <matial> zakim, ??p34 is me
16:16:34 <Zakim> +matial; got it
16:17:33 <aphillip> Topic: Clearing issues in "prep"
16:17:45 <aphillip> HTML5 http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/10  (Issues 136 - 141)  Additional Predefined Counter Styles for CSS http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/16   CSS3 Generated and Replaced Content Module http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/14   HTML: The Markup Language http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/12
16:17:58 <aphillip> richard: these are things we ought to bless and or non-bless these
16:18:09 <aphillip> ... and then forward, as needed
16:20:08 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/136
16:20:24 <aphillip> "The algorithm to convert a string to a number, given a string input, is as follows: If applying the rules for parsing floating point number values to input results in an error, then return an error; otherwise, return the resulting number."  Does this refer to conversion of the text the user inputs into the field, ie. if the user types in  12.345,67  will the rules for parsing floating point number values be applied to that to determine whether or not that is
16:20:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:21:11 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/number-state.html#number-state
16:24:14 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/138
16:24:25 <aphillip> I imagine this will get shot down, but I've been thinking I should suggest it for some time.  It's a pain in the neck to have to write both lang and xml:lang attributes on an element in a polyglot document, and I've seen plenty of pages in the wild from people who should know better where either the lang attribute is missing in XHTML 1.x but the xml:lang attribute is there, as well as vice versa.  Can we not just make xml:lang a synonym of the lang attribute?
16:25:20 <aphillip> richard: rare to use both
16:25:26 <aphillip> addison: inconvenient to have to use both
16:26:06 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/141
16:26:26 <aphillip> it's a typo
16:26:44 <aphillip> chair: any opposed to these being official
16:26:49 <aphillip> (various and sundry approve)
16:27:00 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/146
16:27:08 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/141
16:27:32 <aphillip> "For each group with an odd index (as given in the second step) that did not have its digits removed in the third step, append ፻ U+137B."  In the example 78010092, in ethiopic, is ፸፰፻፩፼፻፺፪ U+1378 U+1370 U+137B U+1369 U+137C U+137B U+137A U+136A, the group that contains 00 seems to have been replaced by ፻. This seems to contradict the text "did not have its digits removed in the third step".
16:27:57 <andrewc> http://www.geez.org/Numerals/
16:28:23 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/140
16:28:43 <aphillip> <q> element nesting
16:30:28 <aphillip> this is to *reset* the nesting level
16:38:46 <aphillip> addison: this is to start the conversation with them
16:40:04 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/75
16:41:38 <aphillip> addison: I will supply a summary by next week of the remainder
16:42:24 <aphillip> Topic: bidi and attribute direction
16:42:57 <aphillip> matial: thread about direction and how to specify on attrbitues
16:43:02 <aphillip> ... like @alt 
16:43:18 <aphillip> ... some attributes include text that is in language and needs a direction
16:43:31 <aphillip> ... the attribute's direction is the same as that of the element itself
16:43:36 <aphillip> ... but sometimes this is inappropriate
16:44:17 <aphillip> <p lang="en">This is something with an Arabic image <img alt="CIBARA SI SIHT"></p>
16:44:45 <aphillip> rtl, ltr, auto values for 'attribdir' attribute
16:44:55 <aphillip> ... to override the direction of the text in the attributes
16:45:17 <aphillip> ... if specified as auto, would be computed
16:45:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:45:59 <aphillip> ... discussion about what the best way to handle it is