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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

23 Feb 2012

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Harper_Simon
Regrets
jan
Chair
jimallan, kellyford
Scribe
JimAllan

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 23 February 2012

SPREADSHEET, so we can make decisions on Thursday. there are 115 SC

to add your thoughts (numbers) to. Also, add implementations if you

have them. https://docs.google.com/a/tsbvi.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiiGLIaAlHSKdHNrcGNacUp2MHdXQW9sUmpBQ21Lenc&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=0

discussion on the A11y Professional Association

Discussion on guideline levels - Please, Please -- Fill Out

<scribe> scribe: JimAllan

kf: question: will we be able to do the spreadsheet? or should we try something else?
... why is this taking so long.

gl: 115 rows,by 13 columns and comments....its a lot. SS is difficult
... doesn't work well for me, just navigating.

kf: what can we do and call it success.

js: go down the implementation column and see what we know about browsers

https://docs.google.com/a/tsbvi.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiiGLIaAlHSKdHNrcGNacUp2MHdXQW9sUmpBQ21Lenc&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=0

gl: implementation was also hard. created test files.

UA SC implementations

<Greg> I'd find the columns more intuitive if they were specific disabilities rather than the current terms, which I find vague.

js: when Kim and I talked the implementation was to be off the top of head. not so detailed

kp: getting the numbers down and if there is a cluster of @@ then we can talk about those.
... column heads were to be functional rather than disability specific.

kf: start with Principle 2

211 keyboard operation

js: basically everyone does this.

gl: there are bugs. what about mobile browsers (those designed specifically for touch screen)

kp: ipad configuring swipes and multiple touches.

js: need to get a rough count. easy to do or rough count. not discuss and get detailed.

kp: generally implemented

kf: are there any features that are not keyboard accesible

every browser has some features that are not keyboard accessible.

js: is this something that is easy and should be an A or very hard and be a AAA

212 keyboard focus

generally true

213 viewport navigation

generally true

214 specify preferred keystrokes

keyconfig addon for FF change binding

perhaps greasemonky

sh: why looking only at browsers. if a given function can be demonstrated in some other application, then it is possible and should be counted in implementaions.

kf: MS word is a browser, and can do lots of things we are looking for.

no keyboard trap

generally supported, FF has issues

216 separate selection from activation

FF does well (at one time) , IE does not, Jaws does

217 follow text keyboard conventions

5

218 efficient keyboard access

generally true, check by looking at the UI to see if underscore and shortcut keys

could be rewritten to be 'indicate keyboard shortcuts'

kf: leave it.

219 override bindings

gl: this is similar to 214. confusing.
... perhaps change to "author supplied user interface controls" to clarify.

214 is author supplied, 219 is UI controls

<scribe> ACTION: JAllan to compare keyboard section with jb keyboard section from 2 years ago [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-ua-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-714 - Compare keyboard section with jb keyboard section from 2 years ago [on Jim Allan - due 2012-03-01].

js: does the IER match?

<Greg> We need to move the Elaine example from 2.1.4 to 2.1.9. Kim will write a sentence for 2.1.4 Intent and/or example of author supplied UI.

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to move the Elaine example from 2.1.4 to 2.1.9. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-ua-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-715 - Move the Elaine example from 2.1.4 to 2.1.9. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2012-03-01].

<jeanne> ACTION: Kim will write a sentence for 2.1.4 Intent and/or example of author supplied UI. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-ua-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-716 - Will write a sentence for 2.1.4 Intent and/or example of author supplied UI. [on Kimberly Patch - due 2012-03-01].

221 provide sequential navigation

generally done by everyone. exception for mobile. FF does not do object/embed navigation

222 nav between viewports

generally everyone, except mobile devices

223 defaul nav

generally all

224 wrap navigation

no one knows of a UA that does this

<mhakkien> better late than never (i hope)

231 direct nav to impt elements

<KimPatch> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiiGLIaAlHSKdHNrcGNacUp2MHdXQW9sUmpBQ21Lenc#gid=0

<KimPatch> Cell R81

<Greg> Chrome with ChromeVox add-on provides sequential navigation to selected types of structural or operable elements (e.g. next/previous h2).

<Greg> Which SC does that fall into? Is that structural navigation or sequential navigation with filtering?

<Greg> (Thanks to Mark for info on ChromeVox.)

discussion about direct navigation and sequential navigation of important elements.

<Greg> Definition of Important Elements: This specification intentionally does not identify which "important elements" must be navigable because this will vary by specification. What constitutes "efficient navigation" may depend on a number of factors as well, including the "shape" of content (e.g. sequential navigation of long lists is not efficient) and desired granularity (e.g. among tables,...

<Greg> ...then among the cells of a given table). Refer to the Implementing document [Implementing UAAG 2.0] for information about identifying and navigating important elements. @@ Editors' Note: Update links

mh: what is an element? html element, and combination of HTML div span, etc with a "role" (aria)

kp: structural and operable elements

<kford> ACTION: KFord Resolve direct and sequential navigation to important elements 2.3.1 and 2.2.1. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-ua-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-717 - Resolve direct and sequential navigation to important elements 2.3.1 and 2.2.1. [on Kelly Ford - due 2012-03-01].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: JAllan to compare keyboard section with jb keyboard section from 2 years ago [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to move the Elaine example from 2.1.4 to 2.1.9. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: KFord Resolve direct and sequential navigation to important elements 2.3.1 and 2.2.1. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Kim will write a sentence for 2.1.4 Intent and/or example of author supplied UI. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-ua-minutes.html#action03]
 
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