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15:05:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:05:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DFXP
15:05:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
15:05:54 <trackbot> Date: 23 February 2012
15:06:16 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #tt
15:06:27 <plh> Agenda+ Discussion on charter draft
15:06:36 <plh> zakim, list conferences
15:07:12 <Zakim> I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM, Team_(privacy)14:00Z, SW_RDFa()10:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM, WF_TF()9:00AM, Team_Global(review)8:00AM, Vide_TTML()10:00AM, WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM active
15:07:17 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are W3C_(ePUB)9:00AM, INC_(DecisionXG)10:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, MM_MMI(EMMA)10:00AM, IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM
15:07:18 <Sean> at  http://www.w3.org/2012/02/timed-text-wg-charter.html
15:07:20 <plh> zakim, this is ttml
15:07:56 <Zakim> plh, Vide_TTML()10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move ttml to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
15:08:18 <plh> zakim, move ttml to here
15:08:39 <Zakim> ok, plh; that matches Vide_TTML()10:00AM
15:09:22 <glenn> zakim, who's here?
15:09:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sean, glenn, +49.893.aaaa, Mike_Dolan, Brussels, Philippe
15:09:37 <glenn> chair: sean
15:09:40 <glenn> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Feb/0025.html
15:09:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, mike, plh, tbause, andreas_t_irt, Sean, glenn, trackbot
15:09:45 <glenn> scribe: glenn
15:10:08 <glenn> sean: how does charter draft look?
15:10:34 <glenn> ... does it cover sufficient scope?
15:11:17 <glenn> chart draft at http://www.w3.org/2012/02/timed-text-wg-charter.html
15:11:32 <glenn> mike: notes tbd in out of scope section
15:11:45 <glenn> plh: not needed, can be removed; useful if there is something to specify
15:12:04 <glenn> mike: propose remove section on out of scope
15:12:22 <glenn> sean: happy to remove, objections?
15:14:05 <glenn> mike: our intent is to publish notes in advance of revision if possible in order to accelerate, suggest saying this in introduction
15:15:07 <glenn> topic: draft charter (see above)
15:15:23 <glenn> mike: would it be good to have a catch all?
15:15:38 <glenn> plh: not needed; can have as many wg notes as desired
15:15:43 <glenn> sean: will generalize
15:16:26 <glenn> sean: wants to go to cr by july
15:16:41 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
15:17:26 <glenn> sean: question about what to call the revision: 2.0 or 2nd Ed?
15:17:31 <mav> mav has joined #tt
15:19:09 <glenn> plh: is CR needed? i.e., are technical changes required?
15:19:20 <glenn> sean: would like to reserve this as a possibility
15:20:01 <glenn> ... but doesn't want to do CR if can be short cutted
15:20:09 <plh> --> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#rec-modify 7.6 Modifying a W3C Recommendation
15:21:02 <glenn> plh: sean will you provide charter draft revision?
15:21:09 <glenn> sean: yes, hopefully tomorrow
15:21:51 <glenn> topic: identified issues
15:21:57 <Sean> Sean has joined #tt
15:22:04 <glenn> ISSUE-152?
15:22:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- language in 9.3.3 -- open
15:22:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/152
15:22:49 <plh> --> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-ttaf1-dfxp-20101118/#semantics-region-layout-step-2 9.3.3 Synchronic Flow Processing
15:27:32 <glenn> sean: intent of change was originally to respond to concerns about need for actual use of XSL-FO
15:27:50 <glenn> ... can support change to make an umbrella statement covering this
15:28:27 <glenn> plh: who will make changes?
15:28:35 <glenn> sean: i.e., who will be editor?
15:34:41 <glenn> glenn: offers to be editor
15:34:58 <glenn> resolved: glenn will serve as editor
15:35:26 <plh> --> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml TTML Mercurial repository
15:35:43 <glenn> resolved: move cvs ttwg repository to a new ttml repo on repository, to have directories for specs, tests, etc
15:36:20 <glenn> sean: write access for all WG members
15:37:02 <glenn> action: glenn to implement migration for repository with help from plh as needed
15:37:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Implement migration for repository with help from plh as needed [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
15:37:20 <glenn> action: glenn implement edit for issue-152
15:37:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Implement edit for issue-152 [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
15:37:46 <glenn> action: glenn to redirect errata
15:37:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Redirect errata [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
15:38:23 <plh> --> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/ttml-issues.html TTML 1.0 errata
15:38:51 <glenn> sean: should record new changes in errata document, and maintain in parallel
15:39:13 <glenn> ISSUE-153?
15:39:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-153 -- 'metrics' should be changed to 'units' -- open
15:39:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/153
15:40:53 <glenn> action: glenn to effect editorial change on issue-153
15:40:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Effect editorial change on issue-153 [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
15:41:41 <glenn> glenn: should double check existing usage with metrics vs units to ensure consistency with that usage
15:41:56 <glenn> ISSUE-155?
15:41:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- #metadata-foreign not defined -- open
15:41:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/155
15:45:05 <glenn> sean: propose to remove examples for now, but then review possible need for new feature
15:46:21 <glenn> action: glenn to remove examples as editorial change
15:46:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Remove examples as editorial change [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
15:47:25 <glenn> issue: is a new #metadata-foreign feature needed?
15:47:25 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-161 - Is a new #metadata-foreign feature needed? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/161/edit .
15:47:58 <glenn> ISSUE-154?
15:47:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- Clarify the endsync behavior -- open
15:47:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/154
15:50:04 <glenn> trackbot, comment action-46 relates to issue-155
15:50:04 <trackbot> ACTION-46 Remove examples as editorial change notes added
15:50:51 <glenn> sean: changing endsync behavior probably is not editorial change
15:52:51 <glenn> andreas: may have some text in annex b in ebu document that discusses this issue, will publish a url to ml for review
15:53:04 <andreas_t_irt> link to the document is http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3350.pdf
15:53:06 <glenn> sean: suggests group review in more detail before change
15:53:16 <andreas_t_irt> it´s in Annex B
15:55:06 <glenn> action: ttwg to review possible change to default endsync (from 'last' to 'all')
15:55:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ttwg
15:56:05 <glenn> sean: should complete review by march 8th
15:56:28 <glenn> glenn: this may trigger CR for 2nd edition, since this is probably a technical change
15:58:04 <glenn> glenn: the issue is whether this is a change in conformance or not
15:58:22 <glenn> sean: believes it is not, but would like confirmation from group
15:58:36 <glenn> ... may still be right to make change even if it is a conformance change
15:58:57 <glenn> topic: any other business?
15:59:38 <glenn> sean: queries plh on process for adding invited experts
15:59:56 <glenn> plh: would need to file form, but they should wait for new charter
16:00:14 <plh> --> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/ieapp/ W3C Invited Expert Application
16:00:18 <glenn> sean: they can participate until new charter is in place, then need ie status
16:00:44 <glenn> mike: webinar today on smpte timed text (95% ttml); fyi
16:01:29 <glenn> ... will be publicly available
16:02:01 <glenn> topic: adjournment
16:02:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-minutes.html plh
16:02:38 <glenn> trackbot-ng, end meeting
16:02:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:02:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:02:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-minutes.html trackbot
16:02:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:02:47 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-actions.rdf :
16:02:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to implement migration for repository with help from plh as needed [1]
16:02:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-irc#T15-37-02
16:02:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn implement edit for issue-152 [2]
16:02:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-irc#T15-37-20
16:02:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to redirect errata [3]
16:02:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-irc#T15-37-46
16:02:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to effect editorial change on issue-153 [4]
16:02:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-irc#T15-40-53
16:02:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to remove examples as editorial change [5]
16:02:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-irc#T15-46-21
16:02:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ttwg to review possible change to default endsync (from 'last' to 'all') [6]
16:02:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-tt-irc#T15-55-06
16:02:50 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
16:03:11 <Zakim> -Mike_Dolan
16:03:15 <Zakim> -Brussels