IRC log of tt on 2012-02-23

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Zakim, this will be DFXP
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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 23 February 2012
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Agenda+ Discussion on charter draft
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zakim, list conferences
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I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM, Team_(privacy)14:00Z, SW_RDFa()10:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM, WF_TF()9:00AM, Team_Global(review)8:00AM, Vide_TTML()10:00AM, WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM active
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also scheduled at this time are W3C_(ePUB)9:00AM, INC_(DecisionXG)10:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, MM_MMI(EMMA)10:00AM, IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM
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15:07:20 [plh]
zakim, this is ttml
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plh, Vide_TTML()10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move ttml to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
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zakim, move ttml to here
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ok, plh; that matches Vide_TTML()10:00AM
15:09:22 [glenn]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Sean, glenn, +49.893.aaaa, Mike_Dolan, Brussels, Philippe
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chair: sean
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, mike, plh, tbause, andreas_t_irt, Sean, glenn, trackbot
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scribe: glenn
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sean: how does charter draft look?
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... does it cover sufficient scope?
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chart draft at
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mike: notes tbd in out of scope section
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plh: not needed, can be removed; useful if there is something to specify
15:12:04 [glenn]
mike: propose remove section on out of scope
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sean: happy to remove, objections?
15:14:05 [glenn]
mike: our intent is to publish notes in advance of revision if possible in order to accelerate, suggest saying this in introduction
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topic: draft charter (see above)
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mike: would it be good to have a catch all?
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plh: not needed; can have as many wg notes as desired
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sean: will generalize
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sean: wants to go to cr by july
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sean: question about what to call the revision: 2.0 or 2nd Ed?
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plh: is CR needed? i.e., are technical changes required?
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sean: would like to reserve this as a possibility
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... but doesn't want to do CR if can be short cutted
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--> 7.6 Modifying a W3C Recommendation
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plh: sean will you provide charter draft revision?
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sean: yes, hopefully tomorrow
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topic: identified issues
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ISSUE-152 -- language in 9.3.3 -- open
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--> 9.3.3 Synchronic Flow Processing
15:27:32 [glenn]
sean: intent of change was originally to respond to concerns about need for actual use of XSL-FO
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... can support change to make an umbrella statement covering this
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plh: who will make changes?
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sean: i.e., who will be editor?
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glenn: offers to be editor
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resolved: glenn will serve as editor
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--> TTML Mercurial repository
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resolved: move cvs ttwg repository to a new ttml repo on repository, to have directories for specs, tests, etc
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sean: write access for all WG members
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action: glenn to implement migration for repository with help from plh as needed
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Created ACTION-42 - Implement migration for repository with help from plh as needed [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
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action: glenn implement edit for issue-152
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Created ACTION-43 - Implement edit for issue-152 [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
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action: glenn to redirect errata
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Created ACTION-44 - Redirect errata [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
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--> TTML 1.0 errata
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sean: should record new changes in errata document, and maintain in parallel
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15:39:13 [trackbot]
ISSUE-153 -- 'metrics' should be changed to 'units' -- open
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15:40:53 [glenn]
action: glenn to effect editorial change on issue-153
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Created ACTION-45 - Effect editorial change on issue-153 [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
15:41:41 [glenn]
glenn: should double check existing usage with metrics vs units to ensure consistency with that usage
15:41:56 [glenn]
15:41:56 [trackbot]
ISSUE-155 -- #metadata-foreign not defined -- open
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15:45:05 [glenn]
sean: propose to remove examples for now, but then review possible need for new feature
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action: glenn to remove examples as editorial change
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Created ACTION-46 - Remove examples as editorial change [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-03-01].
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issue: is a new #metadata-foreign feature needed?
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Created ISSUE-161 - Is a new #metadata-foreign feature needed? ; please complete additional details at .
15:47:58 [glenn]
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ISSUE-154 -- Clarify the endsync behavior -- open
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15:50:04 [glenn]
trackbot, comment action-46 relates to issue-155
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ACTION-46 Remove examples as editorial change notes added
15:50:51 [glenn]
sean: changing endsync behavior probably is not editorial change
15:52:51 [glenn]
andreas: may have some text in annex b in ebu document that discusses this issue, will publish a url to ml for review
15:53:04 [andreas_t_irt]
link to the document is
15:53:06 [glenn]
sean: suggests group review in more detail before change
15:53:16 [andreas_t_irt]
it´s in Annex B
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action: ttwg to review possible change to default endsync (from 'last' to 'all')
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Sorry, couldn't find user - ttwg
15:56:05 [glenn]
sean: should complete review by march 8th
15:56:28 [glenn]
glenn: this may trigger CR for 2nd edition, since this is probably a technical change
15:58:04 [glenn]
glenn: the issue is whether this is a change in conformance or not
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sean: believes it is not, but would like confirmation from group
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... may still be right to make change even if it is a conformance change
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topic: any other business?
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sean: queries plh on process for adding invited experts
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plh: would need to file form, but they should wait for new charter
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--> W3C Invited Expert Application
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sean: they can participate until new charter is in place, then need ie status
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mike: webinar today on smpte timed text (95% ttml); fyi
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... will be publicly available
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topic: adjournment
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I have made the request to generate plh
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trackbot-ng, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 6 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: glenn to implement migration for repository with help from plh as needed [1]
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recorded in
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ACTION: glenn implement edit for issue-152 [2]
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recorded in
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ACTION: glenn to redirect errata [3]
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recorded in
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ACTION: glenn to effect editorial change on issue-153 [4]
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recorded in
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ACTION: glenn to remove examples as editorial change [5]
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ACTION: ttwg to review possible change to default endsync (from 'last' to 'all') [6]
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recorded in
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