IRC log of rd on 2012-02-22
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-rd-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 7394
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 22 February 2012
- 14:27:04 [sharper]
- zakim, agenda?
- 14:27:04 [Zakim]
- I see nothing on the agenda
- 14:27:18 [sharper]
- Chair: Harper_Simon
- 14:27:18 [sharper]
- Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
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- Agenda+ Mobile Topic Pre-Call
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- Agenda+ Mobile Topic Selection of Planning Committee
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- Agenda+ Mobile Topic Selection of Scientific Committee
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- Agenda+ Continuation of W3C Note Group Edit
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- Agenda+ Any Other Business
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- zakim, save agenda
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- zakim, take up item 1
- 14:27:38 [Zakim]
- ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-rd-agenda.rdf
- 14:27:40 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-rd-minutes.html sharper
- 14:28:06 [sharper]
- present+ Harper_Simon
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- regrets+ Miesenberge_Klaus
- 14:28:42 [peter_]
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- 14:29:09 [vivienne]
- +Vivienne
- 14:29:33 [peter_]
- Hello all
- 14:29:37 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:29:37 [Zakim]
- WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi
- 14:29:38 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see peter_, shawn, Zakim, RRSAgent, sharper, vivienne, Peter, nonge_, shadi, trackbot
- 14:29:42 [vivienne]
- Hi all
- 14:29:49 [peter_]
- Hmm more than one peter
- 14:29:56 [shadi]
- trackbot, start meeting
- 14:29:58 [peter_]
- Think I'll go back to thiessenp?
- 14:29:58 [Peter]
- yeah sorry
- 14:29:58 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 7394
- 14:30:00 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now
- 14:30:01 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
- 14:30:01 [trackbot]
- Date: 22 February 2012
- 14:30:07 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:30:07 [Zakim]
- WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi
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- On IRC I see peter_, shawn, Zakim, RRSAgent, sharper, vivienne, Peter, nonge_, shadi, trackbot
- 14:30:15 [shadi]
- zakim, this is rdwg
- 14:30:15 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM
- 14:30:17 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:30:17 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P0, [IPcaller], ??P12, Shadi
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- +Shawn
- 14:30:28 [shawn]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:30:28 [Zakim]
- Shawn should now be muted
- 14:31:19 [shadi]
- zakim, ipcaller is Vivienne
- 14:31:19 [Zakim]
- +Vivienne; got it
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- +??P16
- 14:31:40 [christos]
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- 14:31:42 [shadi]
- zakim, ??p16 is Giorgio
- 14:31:42 [Zakim]
- +Giorgio; got it
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- +??P15
- 14:32:01 [sharper]
- zakim, ??P15 is sharper
- 14:32:01 [Zakim]
- +sharper; got it
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- +??P18
- 14:32:39 [christos]
- zakim, ??P18 is me
- 14:32:39 [Zakim]
- +christos; got it
- 14:32:41 [Joshue108]
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- 14:32:54 [shadi]
- zakim, ??p0 is Markel
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- +Markel; got it
- 14:33:02 [shadi]
- zakim, mute markel
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- Markel should now be muted
- 14:33:04 [Peter]
- my microphone is somehow not working
- 14:33:17 [christos]
- zakim, mute me
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- christos should now be muted
- 14:33:19 [shadi]
- ack markel
- 14:33:41 [Joshue108]
- zakim, code?
- 14:33:41 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Joshue108
- 14:33:42 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, ??P12 is me
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- +Peter_Thiessen; got it
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- 14:33:58 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
- 14:34:04 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:34:14 [Joshue108]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
- 14:34:14 [Zakim]
- +Joshue; got it
- 14:34:29 [Joshue108]
- zakim, mute me
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- Joshue should now be muted
- 14:34:44 [Joshue108]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:34:44 [Zakim]
- Joshue should no longer be muted
- 14:34:46 [Peter_Thiessen]
- (PS: The meeting topic is still "meeting cancelled today")
- 14:34:49 [Peter_Thiessen]
- sure
- 14:34:56 [shadi]
- shadi has changed the topic to: ""
- 14:34:58 [Joshue108]
- scribeNick: Joshue
- 14:35:05 [Joshue108]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 14:35:05 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Mobile Topic Pre-Call" taken up [from sharper]
- 14:35:23 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 14:35:23 [Zakim]
- Peter_Thiessen should no longer be muted
- 14:35:29 [Joshue108]
- SH: Peter, can you please take us through this pre-call?
- 14:35:42 [shadi]
- regrets: Klaus
- 14:35:48 [Peter_Thiessen]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Pre_CFP
- 14:35:49 [Joshue108]
- PT: I'm looking up URI
- 14:35:56 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:35:56 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Markel, Vivienne, Peter_Thiessen, Shadi, Shawn (muted), Giorgio, sharper, christos (muted), Joshue
- 14:36:08 [Zakim]
- +??P19
- 14:36:15 [Joshue108]
- PT: We have a draft that you can check out, we'd love feedback.
- 14:36:35 [Joshue108]
- PT: The dates are TBC
- 14:36:38 [markel]
- zakim, ??P19 is markel
- 14:36:38 [Zakim]
- +markel; got it
- 14:36:54 [Joshue108]
- PT: We could combine the three topics into one Wiki.
- 14:37:15 [Joshue108]
- SH: I've read this, I think its really good.
- 14:37:20 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
- 14:37:49 [Joshue108]
- SH: Lets discuss it. I hope we can confirm this as Pre-call, confirm it, then move onto main call as per Shadis timeline.
- 14:37:53 [Joshue108]
- SH: Thoughts?
- 14:38:00 [Peter_Thiessen]
- I can see everyone loves it!
- 14:38:02 [vivienne]
- q+
- 14:38:06 [Joshue108]
- <everyone reads>
- 14:38:09 [sharper]
- ack v
- 14:38:37 [Joshue108]
- VC: I read it earlier. Is it too extensive, due to timeline?
- 14:38:54 [Joshue108]
- SH: Yes. But we did make a descision to combine topics.
- 14:38:54 [Peter_Thiessen]
- +q
- 14:39:04 [Joshue108]
- SH: We will get overlap however.
- 14:39:06 [sharper]
- ack P
- 14:39:07 [shadi]
- q+
- 14:39:08 [Peter_Thiessen]
- zakim, ack
- 14:39:09 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'ack', Peter_Thiessen
- 14:39:09 [giorgio]
- q+
- 14:39:13 [shawn]
- q+ to comment on Mobile accessibility guidelines and the relationship to existing guidelines;
- 14:39:15 [vivienne]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:39:15 [Zakim]
- Vivienne should now be muted
- 14:39:16 [Peter_Thiessen]
- ack me
- 14:39:21 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 14:39:21 [Zakim]
- Peter_Thiessen was not muted, Peter_Thiessen
- 14:39:47 [Joshue108]
- PT: I agree we are covering a lot. These are topics are quite new. Getting papers may be tough.
- 14:39:48 [giorgio]
- peter, can you speak louder?
- 14:39:59 [shadi]
- ack me
- 14:40:00 [Joshue108]
- PT: Combining them will help us to increase the number of papers.
- 14:40:20 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: It looks fine to me. Good work for the pre-call.
- 14:40:32 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Sorry Giorgio - new headset :) Was just saying that the topics are a bit new and getting papers might be tough - reason for combining into one symposium
- 14:40:37 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: I wan't to run it by UAWG and other WAI groups.
- 14:40:54 [Joshue108]
- ACTION: Shadi to send to WAI-Coordination Groups.
- 14:40:54 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-12 - Send to WAI-Coordination Groups. [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-02-29].
- 14:41:00 [Peter_Thiessen]
- (sounds good Shadi)
- 14:41:05 [shawn]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:41:11 [Zakim]
- + +49.228.943.aaaa
- 14:41:16 [Zakim]
- shawn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Peter_Thiessen (47%), Shadi (67%)
- 14:41:20 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, mute me
- 14:41:20 [Zakim]
- Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
- 14:41:45 [Peter_Thiessen]
- :) (sorry)
- 14:42:02 [shawn]
- zakim, aaaa is Yehya
- 14:42:02 [Zakim]
- +Yehya; got it
- 14:42:33 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: We need to bring to WAI-Coordination group, CSUN is on next week. Many will be there.
- 14:42:48 [Joshue108]
- SH: Am happy to get feedback.
- 14:43:09 [Peter_Thiessen]
- exactly - it's all dependent on when we send out the pre-call (so right before sending we can then update the dates)
- 14:43:17 [Joshue108]
- SH: The date is important, public timeline starts when this is first released. We should get out asap - hopefully next week.
- 14:44:03 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Lets all raise it in the groups that we know.
- 14:44:11 [Joshue108]
- JOC: I'll bring it to PF.
- 14:44:41 [sharper]
- q
- 14:44:41 [Joshue108]
- ACTION: Josh to bring Pre-call doc to PF
- 14:44:41 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-13 - Bring Pre-call doc to PF [on Joshue O Connor - due 2012-02-29].
- 14:44:48 [shawn]
- q?
- 14:44:57 [sharper]
- ack g
- 14:44:57 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Shadi - since the wiki has tracking, feel free to tell the chairs to just edit the wiki draft (we can revert something if we disagree)
- 14:45:17 [Peter_Thiessen]
- (good point :)
- 14:45:19 [Joshue108]
- GB: Just a few points. The title may need to be explained (Pre).
- 14:45:38 [Peter_Thiessen]
- (oops will remove that NOW)
- 14:45:49 [shawn]
- q+ to say "pre-call" internal -- maybe "advanced notice" or such
- 14:45:49 [Joshue108]
- GB: The point about 'how are the quality of metrics assessed". Metrics is out of place.
- 14:45:55 [Peter_Thiessen]
- (copy and paste strikes again)
- 14:46:01 [Joshue108]
- GB: Also the final date is to be determined.
- 14:46:08 [Joshue108]
- GB: Remove tentative.
- 14:46:19 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Ok so deadline 1st of April? (will edit now if so)
- 14:46:25 [Joshue108]
- SH: Yes, April is do-able.
- 14:46:30 [shawn]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:46:30 [Zakim]
- Shawn should no longer be muted
- 14:46:40 [Joshue108]
- SH: Shadi, will there be much feedback from co-ord group?
- 14:46:57 [shawn]
- ack me
- 14:46:57 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to comment on Mobile accessibility guidelines and the relationship to existing guidelines; and to say "pre-call" internal -- maybe "advanced notice" or such
- 14:47:01 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: If we do get to announce in next week or two we may need to revisit but now its ok.
- 14:47:29 [Joshue108]
- SLH: We are saying Pre-call, but this term may need to be changed. Advanced or similar.
- 14:47:33 [Joshue108]
- +1 to Shawn
- 14:47:46 [Joshue108]
- JOC: +1 to Shawn
- 14:47:47 [giorgio]
- provisional sounds ok to me
- 14:47:48 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Ok, sure - Advance Call ?
- 14:47:49 [shawn]
- s/ Advanced or similar./ Advanced Notice or similar./
- 14:48:13 [Joshue108]
- SH: Thats fine. Please do think about options.
- 14:48:37 [Joshue108]
- SLH: What about a research perspective?
- 14:48:40 [Joshue108]
- SH: Thats fine.
- 14:49:03 [Joshue108]
- SLH: In the bullets, the mobile gls in relation to existing gls.
- 14:49:32 [Joshue108]
- SLH: From a WAI perspective, we don't want to encourage the creation of more guidelines that cover issues that are already covered.
- 14:49:47 [Joshue108]
- SLH: So we need to look at existing GLs that relate to mobile a11y.
- 14:50:04 [Joshue108]
- SLH: We need to look at the gap.
- 14:50:16 [Peter_Thiessen]
- +q
- 14:50:27 [markel]
- I think that the bullet point in the CFP refers to sth like this http://www.w3.org/TR/mwbp-wcag/
- 14:50:28 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, ackme
- 14:50:28 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'ackme', Peter_Thiessen
- 14:50:29 [Joshue108]
- SLH: We need to look at relevancy of what is there.
- 14:50:34 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 14:50:34 [Zakim]
- Peter_Thiessen should no longer be muted
- 14:50:39 [sharper]
- ack P
- 14:50:53 [Joshue108]
- PT: I agree with what Shawn said.
- 14:51:13 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
- 14:51:14 [Joshue108]
- SH: Anyother points?
- 14:51:21 [Joshue108]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 14:51:21 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Mobile Topic Pre-Call" taken up [from sharper]
- 14:51:41 [Joshue108]
- zakim, close item 1
- 14:51:41 [Zakim]
- agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
- 14:51:43 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Mobile Topic Pre-Call [from sharper]
- 14:51:51 [markel]
- yes
- 14:51:56 [markel]
- we had that for reviews
- 14:51:57 [Joshue108]
- zakim, take up item 3
- 14:51:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Mobile Topic Selection of Planning Committee" taken up [from sharper]
- 14:52:16 [Peter_Thiessen]
- (Wiki updated on two points: 1) from Giorgio to remove metrics bit, 2) Shawn's point about bullet two)
- 14:52:19 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: This has been defined somewhere.
- 14:52:41 [shawn]
- s/ more guidelines that cover issues that are already covered./ more guidelines that cover issues that are already covered in WAI guidelines./
- 14:52:52 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: I think that we may have experts not as a part of this group to review.
- 14:53:23 [Joshue108]
- SH: is the planning committe a part of F2F?
- 14:53:40 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: We can get people externally to help with review.
- 14:53:42 [yeliz]
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- 14:53:50 [Peter_Thiessen]
- :)
- 14:54:04 [shawn]
- s/We need to look at the gap./We need to look at the gap and what else is needed -- maybe application guidance, specific techniques, etc./
- 14:54:11 [shawn]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:54:17 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: In the last symposiom the planning and Scientific comminity were the same
- 14:54:18 [Zakim]
- Shawn should now be muted
- 14:54:28 [Joshue108]
- s/comminity/community
- 14:54:48 [Joshue108]
- SH: I move then that the planning and scientific should be the same.
- 14:54:51 [Peter_Thiessen]
- I volunteer Simon :)
- 14:54:59 [markel]
- I volunteer to do that
- 14:55:01 [giorgio]
- I could
- 14:55:05 [shadi]
- I volunteer too
- 14:55:07 [sharper]
- I will
- 14:55:09 [Joshue108]
- SH: Who wan'ts to be on the scientific committee.
- 14:55:12 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Oh right but I meant I volunteer you Simon :) oh perfect
- 14:55:21 [shawn]
- [ shawn interested but not sure about time committment ]
- 14:55:29 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Klaus or someone from his team maybe.
- 14:55:37 [vivienne]
- Would I be any help?
- 14:55:38 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:55:39 [Joshue108]
- JOC: Me also but can't commit.
- 14:55:48 [vivienne]
- Okay, then count me in
- 14:55:51 [yeliz]
- zakim, +[IPcaller] is yeliz
- 14:55:51 [Zakim]
- sorry, yeliz, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
- 14:56:13 [yeliz]
- zakim, +[IPcaller] is yeliz
- 14:56:13 [Zakim]
- sorry, yeliz, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
- 14:56:26 [yeliz]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is yeliz
- 14:56:26 [Zakim]
- +yeliz; got it
- 14:56:37 [yeliz]
- zakim, mute yeliz
- 14:56:37 [Zakim]
- yeliz should now be muted
- 14:56:39 [Peter_Thiessen]
- Hi Yeliz, we just took a look at the pre call and made a few edits (nothing big)
- 14:56:46 [Joshue108]
- zakim, close item
- 14:56:46 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'close item', Joshue108
- 14:56:49 [Joshue108]
- zakim, close item 3
- 14:56:49 [Zakim]
- agendum 3, Mobile Topic Selection of Planning Committee, closed
- 14:56:50 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 14:56:50 [Zakim]
- 2. Mobile Topic Pre-Call [from sharper]
- 14:56:56 [Joshue108]
- zakim, take up item 4
- 14:56:56 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Mobile Topic Selection of Scientific Committee" taken up [from sharper]
- 14:57:02 [yeliz]
- Sorry, all
- 14:57:12 [yeliz]
- for being late:(
- 14:57:15 [Joshue108]
- SH: We will look at the doc, discuss etc.
- 14:57:21 [yeliz]
- missed the beginning of the discussion
- 14:57:34 [Peter_Thiessen]
- (at my work people who are late for meetings are forced into doing 10 pushups :)
- 14:57:35 [Joshue108]
- SH: We did well last week. I suggest we start at section 3.
- 14:57:47 [yeliz]
- :)
- 14:57:51 [vivienne]
- Can I have the link?
- 14:58:09 [Joshue108]
- SH: Ok, so I'm starting at paragraph 19. "The papers that were presented [...]"
- 14:58:15 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Feb/0002.html
- 14:58:32 [shadi]
- [[3. Current Research]]
- 14:58:47 [Joshue108]
- SH: There were few edits last time, good job.
- 14:58:56 [sharper]
- +1
- 14:59:02 [christos]
- +1
- 14:59:03 [Peter_Thiessen]
- +1
- 14:59:06 [vivienne]
- +1
- 14:59:07 [Joshue108]
- SH: Paragraph twenty section 3 is good.
- 14:59:18 [shadi]
- +1
- 14:59:28 [Joshue108]
- SH: Ok
- 14:59:57 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Is this is first ref to Symposium?
- 15:00:02 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Readers may not get it.
- 15:00:24 [Joshue108]
- GB: Yes, it is. We could add a line in the introduction.
- 15:00:24 [yeliz]
- I agree with Shadi
- 15:00:42 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Ok, under section 1 intro. Yes. That'll fix it.
- 15:00:45 [yeliz]
- zakim, unmute yeliz
- 15:00:45 [Zakim]
- yeliz should no longer be muted
- 15:00:57 [Joshue108]
- GB: Markel can you take notes?
- 15:01:05 [Joshue108]
- MV: I am doing it.
- 15:01:39 [Joshue108]
- Y: I have a couple of suggestions, I would like some aspects expanded.
- 15:01:41 [shadi]
- +1 Yeliz
- 15:01:49 [giorgio]
- q+
- 15:02:19 [markel]
- good point Yeliz
- 15:02:22 [Joshue108]
- Y: The papers are in the refs, but are mixed with others. Should there be an Appendix? A list of accepted papers.
- 15:02:53 [Joshue108]
- SH: The appendix will have those that are listed.
- 15:03:01 [Joshue108]
- Y: So the note will have one?
- 15:03:05 [Joshue108]
- SH: Yes.
- 15:03:08 [Joshue108]
- Y: Great.
- 15:03:26 [yeliz]
- zakim, mute yeliz
- 15:03:26 [Zakim]
- yeliz should now be muted
- 15:03:50 [yeliz]
- yes, Giorgio
- 15:04:30 [Joshue108]
- GB: Gives overview of structure of note.
- 15:04:34 [markel]
- q+
- 15:04:48 [markel]
- q-
- 15:04:52 [Joshue108]
- SH: The Appendix does have to be included.
- 15:05:04 [yeliz]
- I agree with Giorgio
- 15:05:09 [markel]
- q+
- 15:05:09 [Joshue108]
- GB: Ok, I will put in the list of accepted papers.
- 15:05:19 [sharper]
- ack g
- 15:05:38 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: There may be room for discussion on this.
- 15:05:46 [markel]
- it was clear in the CFP
- 15:06:00 [Joshue108]
- SH: I am firm about it. So authors will get a referenceable paper.
- 15:06:03 [giorgio]
- q+ what would the citatio0n format be?
- 15:06:14 [giorgio]
- q+
- 15:06:22 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Maybe we need to find new wording.
- 15:06:30 [yeliz]
- zakim, unmute yeliz
- 15:06:30 [Zakim]
- yeliz should no longer be muted
- 15:07:00 [Joshue108]
- Y: I agree with Shadi. The note without the full papers would be self contained.
- 15:07:07 [Joshue108]
- SH: I disagree.
- 15:07:22 [Peter_Thiessen]
- agree with Simon
- 15:08:25 [Peter_Thiessen]
- :)
- 15:09:00 [Peter_Thiessen]
- q+
- 15:09:13 [Peter_Thiessen]
- q-
- 15:09:25 [shawn]
- [ links on W3C website will not change -- whether or not they are part of the Note ]
- 15:09:36 [giorgio]
- can we be given the floor?
- 15:09:37 [yeliz]
- zakim, mute yeliz
- 15:09:37 [Zakim]
- yeliz should now be muted
- 15:09:40 [shawn]
- q?
- 15:09:47 [shadi]
- q+
- 15:10:04 [shadi]
- ack markel
- 15:10:05 [sharper]
- ack mar
- 15:11:02 [shadi]
- ack gio
- 15:11:06 [sharper]
- ack g
- 15:11:30 [shawn]
- q+ to say agree citable, but does not have to be appendix -- in fact, then harder to cite specific paper. instead unique uri
- 15:12:07 [yeliz]
- Markel, I don't see how papers will be cited when they are in the appendix in the research note?
- 15:12:31 [yeliz]
- I agree with Giorgio
- 15:12:32 [shadi]
- q- last
- 15:12:39 [shadi]
- q- last
- 15:12:52 [yeliz]
- how papers will be cited in the appendix?
- 15:12:58 [shawn]
- ack me
- 15:12:59 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to say agree citable, but does not have to be appendix -- in fact, then harder to cite specific paper. instead unique uri
- 15:13:01 [shadi]
- ack shawn
- 15:13:12 [yeliz]
- Isn't better that papers have a permanent place to be cited?
- 15:13:21 [markel]
- From http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/cfp: "Accepted papers will be published - in an attributable form - as part of the proceedings and in the ensuing publication (http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/process#publications and http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/process#credits)."
- 15:13:24 [yeliz]
- They really have to be citeable
- 15:13:30 [yeliz]
- I agree with Shawn
- 15:13:48 [shadi]
- ack me
- 15:14:05 [markel]
- we have to find a mechanism so that papers can be citeable no matter if they are in an appendix or any other thing
- 15:14:13 [yeliz]
- Does W3C have a policy about DOI?
- 15:14:25 [yeliz]
- Shawn? Is there a policy on DOI?
- 15:14:34 [Peter_Thiessen]
- (sounds good Shadi)
- 15:14:51 [shawn]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:14:51 [Zakim]
- Shawn should now be muted
- 15:15:11 [Joshue108]
- SH: We'll come back to this.
- 15:15:22 [shadi]
- 3.1 Addressing Validity and Reliability
- 15:15:26 [shadi]
- [[3.1 Addressing Validity and Reliability]]
- 15:15:27 [Joshue108]
- SH: Section 3.1 - comments?
- 15:15:32 [yeliz]
- zakim, unmute yeliz
- 15:15:32 [Zakim]
- yeliz should no longer be muted
- 15:15:38 [shawn]
- [ yeliz - not that i know of, but happy to check into it ]
- 15:16:04 [giorgio]
- q+
- 15:16:11 [markel]
- we can put links not sure about LIFT
- 15:16:14 [sharper]
- ack g
- 15:16:37 [shadi]
- +1 to giorgio
- 15:16:38 [markel]
- I'm ambivalent about this
- 15:16:39 [Joshue108]
- GB: The less we write without reducing formation the better.
- 15:16:40 [shadi]
- +1 to section
- 15:16:45 [yeliz]
- zakim, mute yeliz
- 15:16:45 [Zakim]
- yeliz should now be muted
- 15:16:47 [Joshue108]
- Y: Thats fine.
- 15:17:19 [vivienne]
- there is a typo in the first line
- 15:17:19 [Joshue108]
- SH: 3.2 paragraph 23 - comments?
- 15:17:24 [Joshue108]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:17:24 [Zakim]
- Joshue was not muted, Joshue108
- 15:17:26 [shadi]
- [[3.2 Tool Support for Metrics]]
- 15:17:38 [shadi]
- scribe: shadi
- 15:17:41 [vivienne]
- q+
- 15:17:46 [vivienne]
- ack me
- 15:17:51 [shadi]
- ack v
- 15:17:54 [Zakim]
- -Joshue
- 15:17:57 [shadi]
- VC: type in first line
- 15:18:03 [markel]
- got it
- 15:18:07 [vivienne]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:18:07 [Zakim]
- Vivienne should now be muted
- 15:18:19 [shadi]
- [[3.3 Addressing Large-Scale Measurement]]
- 15:18:46 [markel]
- got it
- 15:18:47 [shadi]
- GB: typo "of of"
- 15:19:01 [shadi]
- [[3.4 Targeting Particular Accessibility Issues]]
- 15:19:20 [yeliz]
- from an instance
- 15:19:24 [yeliz]
- typing mistake
- 15:20:32 [shawn]
- see Referencing and Linking to WAI Guidelines and Technical Documents http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/linking.html
- 15:20:34 [markel]
- thanks you are right, I will retrieve that URI,
- 15:20:38 [yeliz]
- zakim, mute yeliz
- 15:20:38 [Zakim]
- yeliz was already muted, yeliz
- 15:20:43 [vivienne]
- I thin there is a double fullstgop after the reference to NFernandes11a
- 15:20:46 [vivienne]
- *think
- 15:21:09 [vivienne]
- yes, 3.5
- 15:21:10 [shadi]
- [[3.5 Novel Measurement Approaches]]
- 15:21:11 [yeliz]
- yes, they are
- 15:21:44 [yeliz]
- I think it would be good to rephrase the last sentence
- 15:21:45 [yeliz]
- :)
- 15:21:45 [vivienne]
- typo - 'fulfilment'
- 15:21:47 [shadi]
- [[Vigo [Vigo11c] proposes a method that enables]]
- 15:22:19 [yeliz]
- zakim, unmute yeliz
- 15:22:19 [Zakim]
- yeliz should no longer be muted
- 15:22:35 [christos]
- typo in the end of line 6 "but is also focuses..."
- 15:22:50 [yeliz]
- zakim, mute yeliz
- 15:22:50 [Zakim]
- yeliz should now be muted
- 15:22:54 [yeliz]
- not clear to me
- 15:22:59 [yeliz]
- what it means
- 15:23:18 [shadi]
- or "methods"
- 15:23:22 [shadi]
- ?
- 15:23:38 [markel]
- methods is the ones proposed by A Nietzio
- 15:23:47 [yeliz]
- yes, that would be great Giorgio
- 15:23:57 [vivienne]
- maybe 'computes a failure rate comparing passes and failures ..."
- 15:24:00 [markel]
- we will do this
- 15:24:13 [shadi]
- [[3.6 Beyond Conformance]]
- 15:24:20 [yeliz]
- +1
- 15:24:21 [christos]
- sorry... this is on 3.6 ... typo in the end of line 6 "but is also focuses..."
- 15:24:31 [vivienne]
- grammar in first sentence a little rough
- 15:25:06 [vivienne]
- q+
- 15:25:11 [christos]
- q+
- 15:25:13 [sharper]
- ack v
- 15:25:14 [vivienne]
- ack me
- 15:25:16 [shadi]
- ack v
- 15:25:20 [markel]
- sorry I missed the one by Shadi
- 15:25:51 [markel]
- yes
- 15:26:08 [markel]
- ok
- 15:26:09 [shadi]
- of a product (that constantly change) -> of products (that constantly change)
- 15:26:13 [shadi]
- OR
- 15:26:22 [shadi]
- of a product (that constantly change) -> of a product (that constantly changes)
- 15:26:24 [markel]
- right
- 15:26:28 [markel]
- thanks
- 15:27:08 [markel]
- done
- 15:27:18 [vivienne]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:27:18 [Zakim]
- Vivienne should now be muted
- 15:28:07 [giorgio]
- Q+
- 15:28:09 [yeliz]
- Lets do that
- 15:28:26 [vivienne]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:28:26 [Zakim]
- Vivienne should no longer be muted
- 15:28:27 [christos]
- ack me
- 15:28:50 [shadi]
- [[This perspective is innovative as it looks beyond the current conformance paradigm and aims to tap more into the user experience, and this is something that is not necessarily defined by current methods of technical validation or document conformance.]] may need more discussion as it is judgmental about the different approaches rather than a neutral summary
- 15:28:54 [markel]
- got that Chorstos
- 15:28:57 [markel]
- Christos
- 15:29:02 [christos]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:29:02 [Zakim]
- christos should now be muted
- 15:29:03 [sharper]
- ack g
- 15:29:41 [christos]
- goodbye everybody.... I have to go...
- 15:29:55 [vivienne]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:29:56 [Zakim]
- Vivienne should now be muted
- 15:30:07 [markel]
- I agree on the co-existence Shadi
- 15:30:08 [vivienne]
- thanks all, see you next week
- 15:30:11 [Peter_Thiessen]
- bye everyone
- 15:30:13 [yeliz]
- byee
- 15:30:16 [giorgio]
- bye
- 15:30:19 [markel]
- markel has left #rd
- 15:30:20 [Zakim]
- -Giorgio
- 15:30:20 [sharper]
- bye
- 15:30:21 [vivienne]
- Time is much better, thanks
- 15:30:23 [Zakim]
- -yeliz
- 15:30:27 [Zakim]
- -Yehya
- 15:30:27 [vivienne]
- -vivienne
- 15:30:28 [Zakim]
- -Shawn
- 15:30:29 [Zakim]
- -sharper
- 15:30:30 [Zakim]
- -Peter_Thiessen
- 15:30:30 [Zakim]
- -markel
- 15:30:30 [vivienne]
- vivienne has left #rd
- 15:30:31 [sharper]
- sharper has left #rd
- 15:30:32 [Zakim]
- -Shadi
- 15:30:38 [Zakim]
- -Vivienne
- 15:30:47 [Zakim]
- -Markel
- 15:35:47 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, christos, in WAI_RDWG()9:30AM
- 15:35:48 [Zakim]
- WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
- 15:35:48 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Shadi, Shawn, Vivienne, Giorgio, sharper, christos, Markel, Peter_Thiessen, Joshue, +49.228.943.aaaa, Yehya, yeliz
- 15:40:31 [shadi]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 15:40:31 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 15:40:32 [Zakim]
- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
- 15:40:39 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:40:39 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-rd-minutes.html trackbot
- 15:40:40 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 15:40:40 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-rd-actions.rdf :
- 15:40:40 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Shadi to send to WAI-Coordination Groups. [1]
- 15:40:40 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-rd-irc#T14-40-54
- 15:40:40 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Josh to bring Pre-call doc to PF [2]
- 15:40:40 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-rd-irc#T14-44-41-1