IRC log of egov on 2012-02-21

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13:40:53 [sandro]
zakim, start meeting
13:40:53 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'start meeting', sandro
13:40:58 [sandro]
trackbot, start meeting
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RRSAgent, make logs public
13:41:03 [trackbot]
Zakim, this will be EGOV
13:41:03 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:41:04 [trackbot]
Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:41:04 [trackbot]
Date: 21 February 2012
13:41:31 [sandro]
zakim, room for 50 for 120 minutes?
13:41:33 [Zakim]
ok, sandro; conference Team_(egov)13:41Z scheduled with code 3468 (EGOV) for 120 minutes until 1541Z
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+ +3539149aaaa
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+ +1.202.684.aabb
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14:00:48 [citizencontact]
zakim, aabb is Daniel Bennett
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I don't understand 'aabb is Daniel Bennett', citizencontact
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+ +1.703.281.aacc
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14:04:17 [olyerickson]
I am the IP caller
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Zakim, I am IPcaller.aa.
14:04:33 [Zakim]
ok, olyerickson, I now associate you with [IPcaller.aa]
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14:04:49 [josema]
zakim, ??P13 is me
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+josema; got it
14:04:51 [Zakim]
14:05:00 [Jeanne]
Jeanne Holm is here
14:05:01 [josema]
zakim, mute me
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josema should now be muted
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+ +44.786.783.aadd
14:05:10 [olyerickson]
zakim, mute me.
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[IPcaller.aa] should now be muted
14:05:12 [Jeanne]
Catherine Goodier
14:05:14 [citizencontact]
Zakim, I am +1.202.684.aabb
14:05:14 [Zakim]
+citizencontact; got it
14:05:24 [olyerickson]
zakim, who is on the call
14:05:24 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the call', olyerickson
14:05:33 [olyerickson]
zakim, who is on the call?
14:05:33 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], +3539149aaaa, citizencontact, [IPcaller.a], +1.703.281.aacc, [IPcaller.aa] (muted), josema (muted), ??P16, +44.786.783.aadd
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14:05:51 [olyerickson]
Zakim, I am IPcaller.aa.
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ok, olyerickson, I now associate you with [IPcaller.aa]
14:05:54 [DeirdreLee]
Zakim, I am +3539149aaaa
14:05:54 [Zakim]
+DeirdreLee; got it
14:06:04 [olyerickson]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:06:04 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], DeirdreLee, citizencontact, [IPcaller.a], +1.703.281.aacc, [IPcaller.aa] (muted), josema (muted), ??P16, +44.786.783.aadd
14:06:49 [olyerickson]
zakim, I am [IPcaller.aa].
14:06:49 [Zakim]
ok, olyerickson, I now associate you with [IPcaller.aa]
14:07:55 [olyerickson]
zakim, who is on the call?
14:07:55 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], DeirdreLee, citizencontact, [IPcaller.a], +1.703.281.aacc, [IPcaller.aa] (muted), josema (muted), ??P16, +44.786.783.aadd
14:08:12 [citizencontact]
fyi - interesting radio show
14:08:18 [olyerickson]
+1 to hearing
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and my response:
14:09:10 [Jeanne]
Tomasz Janowski is the professor for eGov Policy at UN University in Macao, China
14:09:25 [Jeanne]
He is focused on the idea of policy and electronic government
14:09:31 [sandro]
sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG - Details 21 Feb:
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14:09:56 [josema]
Tomasz bio ->
14:09:59 [olyerickson]
+1 to having the slides (thanks)
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14:10:31 [Jeanne]
Slide 2: Evolution of public sector information follows 2 decades of innovation and research
14:10:41 [Jeanne]
Responding to a variety of goals that have been rapidly evoling
14:10:50 [Jeanne]
14:11:05 [sandro]
zakim, who is here?
14:11:05 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], DeirdreLee, citizencontact, [IPcaller.a], +1.703.281.aacc, [IPcaller.aa] (muted), josema (muted), ??P16, +44.786.783.aadd
14:11:05 [Jeanne]
How to deliver electronic services and do it better
14:11:09 [Zakim]
On IRC I see kay, MacTed, Nig, annew, tlr, olyerickson, Brand, Jeanne, DeirdreLee, citizencontact, PhilA2, Zakim, RRSAgent, Tomasz, josema, bhyland, trackbot, wnbot, sandro
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14:11:22 [Jeanne]
The use of IT in how citizens are making decisions and processes
14:11:39 [Jeanne]
Using IT to inform health and other public sector issues
14:11:51 [Zakim]
14:11:59 [Jeanne]
While we are addressing the issues of internal government services, we have been focused on content and technology
14:12:04 [edsu]
zakim, is edsu
14:12:04 [Zakim]
+edsu; got it
14:12:16 [Jeanne]
Now it is expanding to include government agencies
14:13:01 [josema]
14:13:12 [Jeanne]
The future impact is uncertain as we have reached an turning point
14:13:14 [Zakim]
14:13:47 [josema]
I'm reminded of something I mentioned a couple years ago: the future of e-Gov is to remove the "e" from there ;)
14:13:53 [Jeanne]
Slide 3: Challenges in connecting citizens, services, and agencies via the internet
14:14:20 [Jeanne]
We do need to win public sector support for government IT
14:15:22 [sandro]
( "Orientation on maintenance, not outcomes" That's a nice way to put it. )
14:15:38 [Jeanne]
Slide 4: Organizational transformation or electronic government includes collaboration between agencies, services across agency boundaries. The cultural issues include limitations of organizational resistance, digitial divide, lack of public consultation, and scaling to higher usage.
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14:17:09 [Jeanne]
Slide 5: Social media is being used more to engage citizens in decision making, but the challenges remain for lack of trust in government, digitial divide, and what is the impact on the local environment. You cannot offer generic IT solutions without understanding local policy objectives and what the impact will be locally.
14:17:56 [Zakim]
14:18:06 [annew]
Zakim, ??p15 is me
14:18:06 [Zakim]
+annew; got it
14:18:21 [Jeanne]
Slide 6: We are at a turning point due to economic pressures and investments and localization issues. ICT should produce public valu.
14:19:54 [Jeanne]
Slide 7: Plan to look at evolution, objectives, policy-driven development, how that works with W3C, and conclusions.
14:21:47 [olyerickson]
14:22:21 [Jeanne]
Slide 8: Electronic government is informing the work of government to citizens and other government through technology. This works through political systems, administrative systems, and civil society. Government includes missions and values, Technology goes from equipment to applications. Interactions includes channels, goals, partnerships, and governance. Customers and society look at the needs, trsut, demography, and globalization.
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14:24:59 [Jeanne]
Slide 9: The interaction of society, economy, and environment help us to achieve sustainable development. The dimensions are also transitional.
14:25:30 [Jeanne]
Slide 10: eGovernment and sustainable development = eGov4SD
14:25:45 [josema]
this is certainly an interesting framework but I'll need some more time to digest it
14:26:14 [citizencontact]
jose, i will give you 2 mins
14:26:23 [josema]
ha, I would need 2hrs
14:26:29 [josema]
14:26:40 [citizencontact]
ok, you got it
14:30:28 [sandro]
slide: 16
14:30:39 [sandro]
14:30:42 [sandro]
slide: 17
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14:31:34 [sandro]
14:31:41 [sandro]
(and back to 17, for another example)
14:32:42 [sandro]
14:33:03 [sandro]
14:33:13 [sandro]
Crowd-sourcing renewable energy strategy on the Internet, Maldives:
14:33:22 [sandro]
14:33:58 [Jeanne]
Slide 17-18: How do we map these different areas such as environmental sustainability--see the measures for climate change and how ICT can be used to support this.
14:34:00 [sandro]
14:34:07 [Jeanne]
(Sandro--I can keep scribing now)
14:34:18 [sandro]
14:35:00 [Zakim]
14:35:15 [Jeanne]
Slide 22: Economic sustainability ICT can be used for energy efficient equipment, reduce transport congestion within cities, and supporting government growth and operation.
14:35:57 [josema]
zakim, code?
14:35:57 [Zakim]
the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, josema
14:35:59 [Jeanne]
Slide 23: Singapore, Korea, Estonia, EU, UN, and Waseda all have specific strategies outlined for future goals and uses of ICT to support eGov.
14:36:21 [Zakim]
14:36:27 [josema]
zakim, ??P2 is me
14:36:27 [Zakim]
+josema; got it
14:36:31 [josema]
zakim, mute me
14:36:31 [Zakim]
josema should now be muted
14:37:13 [Jeanne]
Slide 25: How have eGov initiatives addressed these goals? adoption of green accounting, access of underprivileged groups, adoption of environmentally friendly practices, and energy from renewable sources.
14:38:57 [Jeanne]
Slide 26: Social, economic, environmental, and transitional indicators let us know if we are implementing to sustainable development. These can be population or life expectanacy, air travel and agricultural density, plant biodiversity and farmland loss, and changes in nutrition and access to poor for public decision-making, respectively
14:39:12 [Zakim]
+ +1.508.333.aaee
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14:39:41 [Jeanne]
Slide 27: Some sustainable strategies include Korea (active response to adverse effects of informatization) and Waseda (disaster management and business continuity).
14:39:42 [PhilA2]
zakim, ipCaller is me
14:39:42 [Zakim]
+PhilA2; got it
14:39:52 [gdick]
zakim, aaee is me
14:39:52 [Zakim]
+gdick; got it
14:40:03 [Jeanne]
Slide 28: Directgov, UK looks across green gov and green IT
14:40:45 [josema]
zakim, mute me
14:40:45 [Zakim]
josema was already muted, josema
14:40:51 [gdick]
zakim, mute me
14:40:51 [Zakim]
gdick should now be muted
14:41:45 [Jeanne]
Slide 30: Policy-driven eGov development shows that with each cycle we seek to add more value. Any eGov initiative should look to contribute to public value creation through social, economic, environmental, or transitional issues.
14:42:56 [Zakim]
- +44.786.783.aadd
14:44:11 [Jeanne]
Slide 31: The eGov policy cycle goes through planning, desgin, implementation, and operations and goes across measurement, evaluation, capacity building, and knowledge management. (Many specific services are referenced on the slide.)
14:45:14 [josema]
quite a number of things are resonating with the OGD approach at WF :)
14:45:21 [Jeanne]
Slide 32: EGOV.* is an EGOV4D Development Framework deployed in a few countries with the UN. Ongoing effort aimed at research and innovation, both human and institutional.
14:45:47 [Jeanne]
josema: Yes, this is an exhaustive list and is excellent.
14:46:28 [josema]
jeanne: certainly, much more complete than what I usually have in mind but in the same direction
14:47:47 [josema]
"Bureaucracy is Pervasive" oh, yes!
14:48:40 [josema]
i.e. you need to know how to make friends in the Public Administration and identify the champions
14:48:47 [josema]
14:49:07 [Jeanne]
Slide 33: Cameroon example looks at how lessons are learned and recognizes the culture. The strategy for eGov informs public service reform and national ICT priority, in turn these inform the growth and employment strategy, which leads to a vision for 2035. The lessons from this study are that lower levels of government are low priority, fragmented stewardships, academia-government collaboration is necessary, and bureaucracy is pervasive.
14:50:23 [bhyland]
Slide #35 - Relevant Standards & Groups slide is very helpful, thank you Tomasz
14:50:32 [Jeanne]
Slide 34: eGov relevant standards for W3C: LegalXML, StratML, EML, EDXL, SPML, SAML, NIEM, OVAL, GML, HR-XML.
14:50:51 [Jeanne]
Are there standards that are missing from this list?
14:52:28 [Jeanne]
Slide 36: Some specific topics that have been opened in this work includes policies, government data, open government, accessibility of eGov services, social media, community directory and resources, education and outreach, data licensing, cloud computing, security and privacy, and library of shared eGov artifacts.
14:53:03 [gdick]
jeanne ADMS
14:53:20 [Jeanne]
gdick: Thanks, good addition.
14:54:22 [Jeanne]
Slide 40: Evolution of public sector ICT towards policy-driven eGov. A case for using eGov in sustainable development. The proposed framework that shows what is entailed.
14:54:40 [Jeanne]
Tomasz: Can the framework serve as a possible policy-context for eGov at W3C?
14:54:54 [olyerickson]
14:54:57 [annew]
wild applause
14:55:06 [citizencontact]
14:55:17 [PhilA2]
14:55:25 [citizencontact]
14:55:45 [sandro]
ack citizencontact
14:56:00 [PhilA2]
citizencontact: Has this framework been deployed?
14:56:09 [sandro]
citizencontact: Has this framework been deployed? by the UN, or any other govt structure?
14:56:14 [sandro]
14:56:30 [bhyland]
Thank you Tomasz, that was very comprehensive!
14:56:33 [sandro]
PhilA2, want to scribe this time?
14:56:48 [olyerickson]
zakim, unmute me.
14:56:48 [Zakim]
[IPcaller.aa] should no longer be muted
14:56:53 [PhilA2]
scribe: PhilA2
14:56:54 [olyerickson]
14:57:13 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: We've used it in Afghanistan, China
14:57:23 [sandro]
Tomasz: I mentioned Cameroon, etc This is still in research stage, though. We have put it into action in these countries I mentioned.
14:57:33 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: We're using it with UNDECA -
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... how to measure the contribution of eGov in development
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... still have a lot to learn though
14:57:58 [sandro]
14:58:48 [PhilA2]
olyerickson: Thank you, Tomasz. This sort of thing seemns highly structured. Is there a team that runs workshops etc. to teach implementation. Implementation interests me
14:59:03 [josema]
+1 to olyerickson
14:59:03 [DeirdreLee]
14:59:09 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: The basic principle for implementation is, eg. Cameroon, was local ownedership and participation
14:59:09 [DeirdreLee]
14:59:20 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: We hesitate to offer prescriptions
14:59:31 [PhilA2]
14:59:33 [josema]
q+ to ask about bottom-up and M&E
14:59:41 [Zakim]
14:59:44 [olyerickson]
"faciliating a process" => understood
15:00:20 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: I agree that it looks organised, maybe too well organised - but it was useful to guide the discussion, to ask the relevant questions to work out the strategy development.
15:00:44 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: Implementation has been carried out through broadly identified stakeholders in local and national gov plus academia.
15:00:45 [Zakim]
15:00:53 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: Two conferences held in Cameroon
15:01:24 [PhilA2]
olyerickson: That explains a lot. My follow up. In the cases where it has been implemented - has that been documented as use cases etc.?
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... so that other countries can learn from your experience
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Tomasz: We have it documented on the project level but we're turning it into public documents to reflect on these experiences
15:02:09 [PhilA2]
... those docs should be available in the next couple of months
15:02:19 [PhilA2]
.. the strategy docs are publicly available now
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... they are in the public domain already, but the experiences are not yet
15:02:47 [sandro]
15:02:48 [olyerickson]
15:02:54 [olyerickson]
ack me
15:03:08 [PhilA2]
DeirdreLee: My first eGov call... I work at DERI Galway
15:03:18 [PhilA2]
thanks Tomasz for the presentation
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DeirdreLee: On the mapping... could you explain how the mapping is done. How do you decide which eGov dimension maps to what?
15:03:52 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: The dimensions follow from the definition
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... there is no single definition of eGov
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Tomasz: mapping to things like sustainability - done bottom up way. Looking at evidence from around the world
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... access for all, poverty alleviation etc
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ack DeirdreLee
15:05:38 [Brand]
Mapping Global Sustainable Development:
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Tomasz: It's more like a bottom up than a top down design process. There's still a lot ot learn on how these mappings can address local policy objectives
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ack me
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ack PhilA
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PhilA2: What was your biggest surprise--what should we be looking at and what assumptions should we not be making?
15:06:51 [olyerickson]
PhilA: biggest surprise in implementing process in e.g. Camaroon?
15:07:19 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: If we look at the standard way of International Aid supporting - you get people going in and opening up the tool box of what should be done
15:07:41 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: I'd say the local engagement is important
15:07:56 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: It is possible to have enough expertise and leadership locally
15:08:34 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: The surprise was that this was the correct assumption. We find enough leadership and enthusiasm for meaningful work
15:08:36 [josema]
I couldn't agree more
15:08:53 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: A pleasant confirmation that capacity building approach is possible to realise
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15:09:23 [PhilA2]
ack josema
15:09:24 [Zakim]
josema, you wanted to ask about bottom-up and M&E
15:09:36 [PhilA2]
josema: Thanks for the presentation
15:09:42 [PhilA2]
josema: A lot of info
15:10:03 [PhilA2]
josema: A lot of what you present resonates with me. The approach we're using is similar to the one you describe
15:10:16 [PhilA2]
... something we're intending to do is work in Ghana
15:10:31 [PhilA2]
... I couldn't agree more with the way you describe local skill
15:10:50 [PhilA2]
josema: The Web Foundation is all about building local capacity
15:11:28 [PhilA2]
josema: The UK Gov tried to engage civil society. Here we're going one step forward and engage a secretariat of gov agencies plus civil agencies plus universities and media
15:11:38 [PhilA2]
... the steering committee owns the initiative
15:12:01 [PhilA2]
... have you experience this in previous projects with everyone working in a collaborative way and can you offer guidance
15:12:59 [Jeanne]
15:13:32 [PhilA2]
josema: I'm sure there will be tension on a steering cttee - that exists where there's just a gov department - but the goals of the different stakeholders are different
15:13:54 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: It seems to me that the governance structure of the steering committee is good
15:14:15 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: In addition to the governance structure, what worked for us was a cometant project coordination team
15:14:50 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: There were 3 or 4 people in Cameroon and Afghanistan we invited people from ministries to Macao to discuss the project
15:15:07 [PhilA2]
... within the committee you have good access to the decision makers
15:15:20 [PhilA2]
... related agencies and ministries to carry out initiatives on open data
15:15:32 [josema]
good advice and yes, we have both
15:15:40 [PhilA2]
... these people can become trainers for other stakeholders
15:16:12 [PhilA2]
josema: We intend to hold a number of actions along the way for people to meet each other to match up supply and demand side
15:16:21 [Jeanne]
15:16:36 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: Your project team needs tobe representative. That can be hard to achieve
15:16:47 [PhilA2]
... the implementation team need gov and academia
15:16:54 [PhilA2]
15:17:00 [citizencontact]
general fyi: at XML Prague conference, Jeni Tennison gave a fantastic keynote speech on how XML, HTML, RDF, and JSON can work together. She worked with John Sheridan on the UK Gov legislation site:
15:17:09 [josema]
zakim, mute me
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josema should now be muted
15:17:25 [PhilA2]
Jeanne: When you see the different ways people apprach this. Do they begin by working on getting the process right or engaging with the public first?
15:17:41 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: Policy makers are very conscious of how they look when they go ahead with a project
15:17:56 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: They want to public to be satisfied with the outcome of course
15:18:15 [PhilA2]
... the environment is what it is - it's hard to change. It;s beyond the control of the project
15:18:19 [josema]
fully agree on that having "multistakeholderism" at the SC easier than at the project coordination team, will work on that, too
15:18:36 [PhilA2]
... initiatives of this nature need a local leader who is willing to go all the way to ensure success
15:19:51 [gdick]
ref one stop gov
15:19:56 [PhilA2]
Jeanne: Thanks Tomasz for such an interesting presentation with such a clear challenge to us
15:20:03 [citizencontact]
Would nice to have a breakdown of translating the technical aspects of a project to the economic, governance and environmental that would go into the framework that Tomas presented.
15:20:26 [PhilA2]
Jeanne: It's not about provision of services to gov but inter agency collaboration, nat and local government to work together
15:20:52 [citizencontact]
15:21:00 [PhilA2]
15:21:04 [bhyland]
@citizencontact thanks for XML Prague talk by Jeni. Look fo forward to it.
15:22:30 [PhilA2]
Tomasz: Internat conference in Albany, NY, in October. 6th conference in series on... ?? (sorry)
15:22:33 [josema]
phila2, you might want to add more people fomr the civil society to the PC
15:22:40 [josema]
15:22:41 [Brand]
13th SOA for Egov Conference, MITRE McLean, Virginia - see for registration opens soon - free
15:22:53 [Jeanne]
Save the date for the second International Open Government Data Conference, July 10-12 in Washington DC at the World Bank. Focus on eGovernment, open government, and open data. Josema and I are working on a session that might be able to highlight the work of the eGov IG--let me know if you are interested.
15:23:14 [PhilA2]
Jeanne: In July 10 - 12 in DC we have our second Int Gov Data conference
15:23:23 [olyerickson]
15:23:31 [PhilA2]
Jeanne: would like to highlight work of this gourp
15:23:35 [olyerickson]
"6th International Conference on Theory and Practice of Electronic Governance (ICEGOV2012) will take place in Albany, NY, United States from October 22-25, 2012..."
15:23:45 [PhilA2]
Jeanne: Probably have a virtual conference as well
15:23:56 [josema]
btw, anybody going to OGP event in Brazil in April?
15:24:05 [josema]
I expect to be there
15:24:21 [PhilA2]
Daniel: Conference end of the month in DC - Global Centre ICT work with the House
15:24:29 [PhilA2]
... coming in to talk about tech in legislation
15:24:34 [josema]
15:25:01 [PhilA2]
citizencontact: Excellent speech by JeniT on
15:25:11 [PhilA2]
... new group in OASIS about legal XML
15:25:30 [PhilA2]
Jeanne: Details of the event this month?
15:25:34 [PhilA2]
citizencontact: I'll send to the list
15:25:54 [PhilA2]
Jeanne: Feel free to use the list between meetings.
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Jeanne: Want to make more chance for people to join in, probably switching time zones with 2 meetings per month
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Jeanne: Meet again in a month for now
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Thanks everyone, great meeting
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Attendees were Sandro, +3539149aaaa, +1.202.684.aabb, +1.703.281.aacc, josema, +44.786.783.aadd, citizencontact, DeirdreLee, edsu, bhyland, annew, +1.508.333.aaee, PhilA2, gdick,
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n/win 2
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citizencontact: thanks for the url to jeni's talk -- that was really incredible
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