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15:52:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
15:52:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:52:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:52:21 <trackbot> Date: 16 February 2012
15:52:29 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
15:52:29 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
15:52:45 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.02.16
15:52:55 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
15:53:00 <pgroth> Scribe: Eric Stephan
15:53:11 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
15:53:20 <pgroth> Regrets: Mike Lang
15:54:06 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
15:54:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:54:21 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:54:21 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
15:54:59 <Zakim> + +1.509.967.aaaa
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15:56:40 <Zakim> +Luc
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15:58:28 <Zakim> +??P28
15:58:56 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes
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15:59:26 <Zakim> + +329331aabb
15:59:33 <Zakim> +??P48
15:59:46 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aabb is me
15:59:46 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
15:59:53 <Helena> zakim, ??P48 is me
15:59:53 <Zakim> +Helena; got it
16:00:08 <Zakim> -Helena
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16:01:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:01:32 <Zakim> +??P63
16:01:47 <tlebo> tlebo has joined #prov
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16:02:10 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P63 is probably me
16:02:21 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:02:41 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 
16:02:44 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:02:56 <Zakim> +tlebo
16:03:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:03:09 <Zakim> +dgarijo?; got it
16:03:31 <Zakim> +Helena
16:03:44 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
16:03:50 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:03:54 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:03:55 <Helena> zakim, who is making noise?
16:04:27 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
16:04:48 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  Paul still  has to do the minues of the f2f2 meeting.
16:04:58 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (51%), Luc (13%), [IPcaller] (54%)
16:04:59 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  will be getting to it asap
16:05:00 <pgroth> Minutes of the Feb 9 2012 Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-09
16:05:12 <Zakim> Helena, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (39%), Luc (34%), [IPcaller] (11%)
16:05:19 <Curt> +1
16:05:23 <tlebo> +1
16:05:24 <ERICstephan> +1
16:05:26 <jun> +1
16:05:28 <Helena> +1
16:05:34 <SamCoppens> +1
16:05:56 <pgroth> Approved: Minutes of the Feb 9 2012 Telecon
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16:06:06 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open
16:06:09 <ERICstephan> pgroth: go over open actions, but not all
16:06:23 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  Action #52:
16:06:58 <dgarijo> +1 for the minutes too
16:07:18 <ERICstephan> pgroth:52  not closed yet because of 106
16:07:27 <ERICstephan> s/106/105
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16:07:39 <pgroth> Engage implementation task force to begin developing of a test harness around examples (from tim or others)
16:07:46 <MacTed> s/52/Action-52/
16:08:07 <MacTed> s/of 106/of Issue-105/
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16:08:48 <ERICstephan> bring in HCLS and hoping stephan can validdate.
16:08:52 <ERICstephan> Who was speaking?
16:08:55 <Zakim> +??P29
16:08:59 <jcheney> zakim, ??p29 is me
16:09:01 <Helena> ERICstephan: I was speaking
16:09:04 <dgarijo> that sounds very interesting indeed.
16:09:06 <ERICstephan> thank you
16:09:15 <Luc> date was not set
16:09:20 <Zakim> +Yolanda
16:09:48 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
16:09:55 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
16:10:33 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  action-63 due in one week's time
16:10:53 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-DM Simplification
16:10:54 <ERICstephan> pgroth: need more scribes after next week
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16:11:02 <pgroth> ACTION-62: Provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model
16:11:02 <trackbot> ACTION-62 Provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model 16 Feb notes added
16:11:23 <MacTed> action-62?
16:11:23 <trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Luc Moreau to provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model 16 Feb -- due 2012-02-16 -- OPEN
16:11:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/62
16:11:30 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvDMWorkingDraft4
16:11:31 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  update and produce intro to simplification
16:11:51 <ERICstephan> Luc:  Wiki page describes current work
16:12:29 <ERICstephan> Luc:  3 parts, dropping the notion of account records
16:12:35 <Zakim> +??P38
16:12:50 <ERICstephan> Luc:  3 levels of description and removed one of the levels, positive feedback
16:13:23 <ERICstephan> Luc:  2nd doc, events, attributes been given values over periods of time, and constraints designed to data model
16:13:32 <Zakim> -Yolanda
16:13:59 <ERICstephan> Luc:  Last section, scrappy vs proper provenance. Consider various levels of description provide different refinements
16:14:30 <ERICstephan> Luc:  Move out the grammer and put it in a different document
16:14:42 <pgroth> +q
16:14:45 <pgroth> q?
16:14:52 <pgroth> q-
16:15:02 <dgarijo> @Eric: I think it's scruffy, not scruppy ;)
16:15:24 <ERICstephan> Luc:  at the moment, the working copy there is not an editors draft yet
16:15:39 <pgroth> Goals of the review:
16:15:41 <pgroth> decide whether the new documents are inline with the simplification objective
16:15:46 <pgroth> recommend whether they become the new editor's draft
16:15:50 <ERICstephan> for the reviewers, do the documents align with the simplification goals
16:16:21 <ERICstephan> Luc:  (these comments written by me from Luc)
16:16:54 <pgroth> q?
16:16:55 <ERICstephan> Luc:  If we can get agreement based on recommendations from the reviewers next week
16:17:00 <ERICstephan> +q
16:17:12 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:17:12 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:17:13 <MacTed> q+
16:17:17 <pgroth> ack ERICstephan 
16:17:18 <Zakim> +??P51
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16:17:43 <pgroth> ack MacTed 
16:18:18 <ERICstephan> MacTed:  How do you give editor comments "this sentence is unweildy" (example)
16:18:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
16:18:27 <pgroth> q?
16:18:29 <ERICstephan> Luc:  Add it to wiki page
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16:18:51 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  assign specific reviewers with specific tasks
16:19:01 <Luc> @helena, these are internal reviewers
16:19:03 <MacTed> s/wiki page/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2011\/prov\/wiki\/ProvDMWorkingDraft4#Feedback_on_These_Working_Copies/
16:19:05 <pgroth> TimL
16:19:11 <tlebo> +1
16:19:49 <jun> I can also do it
16:19:51 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  confirm Tim +1, Eric +1, Graham ?, Daniel + 1, MacTed +1, Curt +1 (already done)
16:20:02 <SamCoppens> I can also
16:20:13 <pgroth> EricS, Daniel, Jun, MacTed, Curt, SamCoppens
16:20:23 <jun> the new structure looks good at a glance
16:20:52 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-O Ontology updated
16:20:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:21:09 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  next topic, updated OWL file
16:21:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:21:26 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  released and Satya update?
16:21:27 <jun> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
16:21:27 <Zakim> sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:21:37 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:21:37 <Zakim> +jun; got it
16:22:04 <satya> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF
16:22:16 <dgarijo> and the summaries of the call are at: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology
16:22:26 <ERICstephan> satya:  after 2 weeks agreed on a series of changes
16:22:46 <pgroth> owl file is at: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/ontology/ProvenanceOntology.owl
16:23:04 <ERICstephan> satya:  all incorporated in doc, there are still a number of issues, but for now the most recent changes have been reflected
16:23:10 <Luc> q?
16:23:44 <dgarijo> Changes (which are the titan pad logs): http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology_Meeting_2012-02-13, http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology_Meeting_2012-02-14
16:23:57 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  PROV-O, does it have a good alignment with PROV-DM working draft 3?
16:24:15 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  has the ontology provide a simplified naming?
16:24:40 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  does the ontology fit within OWL with itself and does it create some type of natural RDF?
16:25:01 <pgroth> q?
16:25:08 <Luc> q+
16:25:15 <pgroth> ack Luc
16:25:16 <ERICstephan> pgroth: reviewers, does it meet these goals any questions on review period
16:25:37 <ERICstephan> luc:  what process are we going to use to align PROV-O and PROV-DM?
16:25:49 <dgarijo> +q
16:25:56 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  good question can we defer to next section?
16:26:01 <pgroth> ack dgarijo 
16:26:31 <ERICstephan> dgarijo:  alignment be discussed in PROV-O task force?
16:26:42 <ERICstephan> Luc:  alignment could be both directions
16:27:22 <jcheney> alignment deliverable ==? ProvRDF?
16:27:25 <dgarijo> +1 to pgroth.
16:27:26 <ERICstephan> Luc:  alignmnet deliverable and raise issues against that?
16:27:40 <pgroth> q?
16:28:28 <dgarijo> smiles and Jun have already provided some feedback :)
16:28:29 <stephenc> OK
16:28:36 <Curt> I'll be going over PROV-O too.
16:28:55 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  another one week review, confirm, Luc +1, Paolo +1, Eric +1, Stephen C +1, Curt +1
16:28:58 <pgroth> Review prov-o: Luc, paolo, EricS, Stephen, Curt 
16:29:14 <satya> Thanks everyone for the reviewing!
16:29:29 <pgroth> q?
16:29:31 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  same process applies, goes to list and we talk about it next week.
16:29:37 <pgroth> Topic: ProvRDF Mappings
16:30:49 <ERICstephan> jcheney:  did this for a small subset for PROV-DM during f2f2.
16:31:05 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
16:31:18 <ERICstephan> jcheney:  Tim has been adding record form from PROV-DM to collections of RDF triples
16:31:22 <ERICstephan> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF
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16:32:57 <pgroth> q?
16:33:25 <dgarijo> yes, more or less.
16:33:28 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  Is what we see in the doc, in the right hand side of the page reflect the current prov-o ontology?
16:33:45 <tlebo> @paul, that is the intent. If the RHS are not aligned with the OWL file, ISSUES should be raised.
16:35:02 <ERICstephan> jcheney:  left hand side match DM working draft 3
16:35:26 <pgroth> q?
16:35:46 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  how do we sync prov-o prov-dm?
16:35:48 <pgroth> q?
16:36:22 <jcheney> q+
16:36:22 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  in the issue tracker, make a new deliverable for mappings, if inconsistencies report them there.
16:36:23 <satya> +1 @Paul
16:36:24 <dgarijo> @pgroth:+1
16:37:00 <tlebo> q+ to ask if it can become an appendix of the PROV-O HTML
16:37:01 <ERICstephan> jcheney:  making deliverable in tracker, that it makes a separate deliverable in working group?  Paulg no
16:37:05 <pgroth> ack jcheney 
16:37:12 <pgroth> ack tlebo 
16:37:13 <Zakim> tlebo, you wanted to ask if it can become an appendix of the PROV-O HTML
16:37:22 <satya> @Tim: I agree
16:37:37 <ERICstephan> tlebo:  useful and at least interesting to PROV-O html doc
16:37:38 <dgarijo> +1 to Tim's point.
16:37:55 <pgroth> q?
16:38:02 <Luc> q+
16:38:07 <Zakim> -pgroth
16:38:07 <dgarijo> If it helped us, it could help other people too...
16:38:12 <pgroth> ack I hung up
16:38:21 <ERICstephan> luc:  we can close action-56?
16:38:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
16:38:37 <ERICstephan> jcheney: +1
16:38:56 <ERICstephan> satya:  action on me is closed?
16:39:05 <pgroth> Zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
16:39:05 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
16:39:10 <satya> ok
16:39:11 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  action is still open based on action-105
16:39:13 <satya> thanks!
16:39:17 <pgroth> q?
16:39:28 <pgroth> ack Luc
16:39:57 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  okay on deliverable on RDF mappings?
16:40:03 <ERICstephan> who spoke?
16:40:09 <tlebo> macted did
16:40:20 <ERICstephan> MacTed: not sure this is going to meet the goals of harmonization
16:40:44 <tlebo> @macted, what are you looking for?
16:40:54 <Luc> created https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/9
16:40:54 <satya> can you please explain macted?
16:41:02 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/HarmonizingProvDMAndProvO
16:41:04 <Luc> q+
16:41:14 <dgarijo> @satya: I think he is just concerned about the naming
16:41:17 <ERICstephan> satya:  What are you suggesting macted?
16:41:18 <dgarijo> of the document..
16:41:45 <ERICstephan> MacTed:  harmony does not equate to RDF mapping to me
16:42:08 <pgroth> ack Luc
16:42:41 <pgroth> Raise Issue against Product 9
16:42:41 <ERICstephan> luc:  posting url to new product I created, to raise issues in the tracker between PROV-DM and PROV-O
16:43:03 <pgroth> Topic: Timetable for Release
16:43:42 <satya> @Luc, I just mailed you to close ISSUE-105
16:43:59 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  what should be the goal of the release?
16:44:12 <pgroth> q+
16:44:14 <pgroth> q?
16:44:16 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:44:53 <satya> q+
16:45:21 <Luc> q+
16:45:24 <pgroth> ack satya
16:45:38 <pgroth> ack Luc
16:45:42 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  sync one version of working draft against another for ( Prov-dm, prov-o, and prov-primer)
16:45:54 <Zakim> -Helena
16:46:20 <ERICstephan> luc:  the whole point was that we change the presentation, simplify, but we do not change any of the terms
16:46:31 <dgarijo> so then we are already done :D :D
16:46:46 <dgarijo> @satya: Account is now "bundle"
16:46:47 <ERICstephan> luc:  if you have aligned the prov-o to the current working draft you have aligned them
16:47:14 <Luc> @Satya, i closed issue-105 and action-52
16:47:29 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  those set of issues need to be addressed before wd4
16:47:41 <ERICstephan> luc:  wd4 March 1
16:48:07 <ERICstephan> luc:  without sync with prov-o
16:49:16 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  when do we do a sync release  within the group?  reviews this week, two weeks for alignment, propose March 14?
16:49:18 <pgroth> q?
16:50:00 <pgroth> Deadline to release internally to the WG for review of primer + dm + ontology sync release March 14
16:50:03 <Zakim> +Yolanda
16:50:32 <pgroth> q?
16:50:48 <ERICstephan> luc:  what does the prov-o team think?
16:50:56 <satya> yes, we now concentrate on html
16:51:03 <satya> document
16:51:39 <ERICstephan> satya:  On our monday meeting we are already started restructuring HTML, maybe by next Thursday report progress?
16:51:56 <ERICstephan> satya:  maybe 2 weeks time reasonable?
16:51:58 <pgroth> q?
16:52:40 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  key comments, is raising all issues on the mapping styles and harmonization products, what is remaining to achieve harmonization?
16:52:54 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  I think we should aim for 14th
16:52:58 <pgroth> q?
16:53:19 <ERICstephan> luc:  concern that we are drifting again on the time table.
16:53:56 <ERICstephan> luc:  We need to Start working on 5th working draft 
16:54:31 <ERICstephan> luc:  working in parallel on 5th working draft
16:55:12 <ERICstephan> luc:  finalize timeline next week?
16:55:15 <pgroth> suggestion March 14, but finalize next week
16:55:21 <ERICstephan> +1 agree with luc
16:55:26 <pgroth> q?
16:55:28 <tlebo> q+ did the content of http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF get moved to another page? 
16:56:33 <pgroth> Topic: Agent Types
16:56:44 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  Tim it stays where its been
16:57:14 <tlebo> q-
16:57:17 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  agent typings discussion in the mail list
16:57:32 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  concerns about not broad enough use cases
16:57:37 <pgroth> ttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Feb/0225.html
16:58:03 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  can we get concensus for a vote today?
16:58:08 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
16:58:31 <pgroth> Current: Person, Software Agent, Organization
16:58:50 <pgroth> Proposal: Change core agent subtypes to Human, System, Organization 
16:58:55 <pgroth> q?
16:59:00 <Curt> European (Organisation) or American (Organization) spelling?
16:59:18 <pgroth> q?
16:59:26 <satya> q+
16:59:26 <MacTed> +1 to change, with z spelling
16:59:32 <dgarijo> +1
16:59:51 <tlebo> -1 b/c organizations are systems
17:00:14 <Luc> @paul, wasn't it ComputingSystem ?
17:00:17 <dgarijo> @tim: but they are not all disjoint, right?
17:00:35 <Curt> +1 Systems can include persons or organizations, but are still distinct from them
17:00:37 <dgarijo> @tim: so an Organization CAN be a system.
17:01:01 <dgarijo> I'd say that Human and System are disjoint though.
17:01:21 <stephenc> Would prov:Human be a subclass of  foaf:Person?
17:01:29 <zednik_> q+
17:01:34 <satya> q-
17:01:39 <pgroth> ack zednik
17:01:40 <ERICstephan> satya:  when a human is not regarded in the context of an agent is there a problem?
17:01:44 <tlebo> abstain. Agent has been hard enough. I'll make my own subtypes.
17:01:56 <dgarijo> +q
17:02:15 <ERICstephan> zednik:  Why human over person?
17:02:27 <pgroth> ack dgarijo 
17:02:45 <ERICstephan> what if an animal is an agent?
17:03:09 <ERICstephan> agreed with tlebo
17:03:42 <pgroth> q?
17:03:42 <zednik_> q+
17:03:51 <pgroth> ack zednik_ 
17:03:52 <MacTed> thinking deeper....  foaf:Person <> prov:Person, which is clearer if we say prov:Human
17:04:10 <jun> do we have a use case to drive sub-typing agent? I am against over sub-typing
17:04:10 <MacTed> prov:Human may be but is not necessarily prov:Agent
17:04:46 <ERICstephan> zednik:  talk about humans without typing them automatically to agent?
17:04:53 <jun> q+
17:05:00 <MacTed> prov:Agent might have *range* (as opposed to subClass) which includes foaf:Person, prov:Human, prov:Person...
17:05:02 <pgroth> ack jun
17:05:08 <tlebo> +1 to avoiding direct connection to FOAF.
17:05:12 <dgarijo> @why are you against? If prov is supposed to be a generic ontology, you will have to adapt it to you domain imo
17:05:22 <dgarijo> @jun
17:05:52 <ERICstephan> jun:  what is driving this task?
17:06:12 <satya> @Jun, +1 - subytping leads to reduced interoperability
17:06:24 <Zakim> -Yolanda
17:06:25 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  We already agreed about these broad categories and wanted to get agreement on naming
17:06:47 <zednik_> is agent itself enough to address the use cases?
17:06:52 <ERICstephan> MacTed:  What is the distinction?  
17:07:17 <Luc> and originally software ...
17:07:24 <ERICstephan> MacTed:  Human and Inhuman?
17:07:59 <jcheney> Suggest Nonhuman instead of Inhuman - a human can be inhuman.
17:08:10 <ERICstephan> link to use case?
17:08:13 <tlebo> is a foaf:Organization Human or InHuman?
17:08:27 <zednik_> what attributes are different for human vs nonhuman in prov?
17:08:47 <jun> @jcheney, +1. if we have to have it, then at least we have nonhuman
17:08:50 <zednik_> what relations are different for human vs nonhuman?
17:08:53 <satya> jcheney, tlebo :)
17:09:17 <MacTed> human vs nonhuman is fine with me ... once I understand why the distinction is necessary here...
17:09:21 <tlebo> we can kill -9 NonHuman without going to jail
17:09:38 <ERICstephan> lol tlebo
17:09:41 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Feb/0159.html
17:09:42 <MacTed> but corporations are people!  ;-)
17:09:56 <ERICstephan> is a cow a system on a dairy farm?
17:10:56 <satya> I think this is one of our best discussion in the WG :o)
17:11:16 <zednik_> what is our definition of system?
17:11:22 <pgroth> +q
17:11:44 <pgroth> ack pgroth
17:11:59 <pgroth> q?
17:12:04 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  there is a key use case, it looks like there was naming, but we get on phone call and no consensus.
17:12:37 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  would like to issue this to be done.  This is a necessary to have.
17:13:06 <ERICstephan> pgroth:  Will email around again this use case.
17:13:30 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
17:13:31 <tlebo> bye bye!
17:13:32 <Zakim> -tlebo
17:13:33 <Zakim> -jun
17:13:33 <Zakim> -??P38
17:13:34 <zednik_> bye
17:13:35 <Zakim> -jcheney
17:13:36 <Zakim> -pgroth
17:13:36 <Zakim> -dgarijo?
17:13:39 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:13:40 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
17:13:40 <Zakim> -SamCoppens
17:13:42 <Zakim> -Luc
17:13:42 <ERICstephan> bye
17:13:46 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:13:48 <Zakim> - +1.509.967.aaaa
17:13:51 <Zakim> -??P51
17:15:05 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
17:15:11 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:15:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/16-prov-minutes.html pgroth
17:15:16 <pgroth> trackbot, end telecon
17:15:16 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:15:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, +1.509.967.aaaa, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, SamCoppens, Helena, tlebo, dgarijo?, MacTed, Yolanda, jcheney, Satya_Sahoo, jun, [IPcaller]
17:15:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:15:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/16-prov-minutes.html trackbot
17:15:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:15:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items