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19:47:11 <Char> zakim, this will be AAPI
19:47:13 <Zakim> ok, Char; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
19:47:19 <Char> rrsagent, make logs public
19:47:24 <Char> Scribe: Char
19:47:30 <Char> Meeting: AAPI
19:47:37 <Char> Chair: Cynthia Shelly
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19:55:28 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
19:55:34 <Zakim> +Char
19:55:53 <Char> zakim, who's here?
19:55:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Char
19:55:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see jkiss, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, davidb, MichaelC
19:58:23 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
19:58:30 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
19:58:30 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
19:58:33 <Zakim> +??P7
19:58:44 <Char> zakim, ??P7 is Jason
19:58:45 <Zakim> +Jason; got it
19:58:52 <Char> zakim, who's here?
19:58:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Char, David_Bolter, Jason
19:58:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see jkiss, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, davidb, MichaelC
20:00:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:00:23 <Char> zakim, IPcaller is Steve
20:00:23 <Zakim> +Steve; got it
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20:02:03 <Char> zakim, who's here?
20:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Char, David_Bolter, Jason, Steve
20:02:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see Stevef, jkiss, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, davidb, MichaelC
20:02:53 <Char> Present: Char James-Tanny, David Bolter, Steve Faulkner, Jason Kiss
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20:03:50 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:04:18 <Char> Zakim, Microsoft is Larry
20:04:18 <Zakim> +Larry; got it
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20:05:06 <cyns> having phone trouble.  be there shortly
20:05:28 <Char> Topic: layout issues on overview
20:05:40 <Char> Jason has reformatted, table is getting really wide
20:06:13 <jkiss> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview1.html
20:06:19 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
20:06:35 <Char> zakim, who's here?
20:06:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Char, David_Bolter, Jason, Steve, Larry, Cynthia_Shelly
20:06:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see cyns, lweiss, Stevef, jkiss, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, davidb, MichaelC
20:07:07 <Char> Toggle now added to switch between "View by element" and "View as single table"
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20:08:03 <Char> Elements and states/properties are separate tables with their own toggles
20:08:29 <Char> Individual columns can be hidden and maintain state between toggling single table/separate items
20:09:57 <Char> Jason is debating whether to keep the title static, will mock it up so that we can test
20:10:17 <Char> Steve has more content to add to the table.
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20:11:37 <Char> Jasin is waiting until the table is as up-to-date as possible before reaching out to Marco and others.
20:13:12 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
20:15:31 <Char> Table shows what browsers are meant to do. This may not necessarily be what they are doing.
20:16:36 <Char> Less range of AT products on the Mac.
20:17:49 <Char> Maybe "Comments" column would help (to indicate any issues).
20:26:37 <Char> Decision was made to keep interface as it is right now, and let people comment on it. Page is much more usable now with changes that have been implemented.
20:27:48 <Char> Jason has tested the updates with NVDA. 
20:28:03 <Char> The decision was made to upload all changes to the base page so that people can start using it.
20:30:46 <cyns> http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
20:30:53 <jkiss> I've updated Overview.html with the new layout
20:31:23 <Char> Topic: Discuss Bug Entered into Bug Tracker
20:32:42 <Char> Problem with draggable attribute true by default (now that ARIA is part of HTML5). 
20:33:07 <Char> Need to find out if attribute is supported on other elements...Steve says it is.
20:33:21 <Char> Ian won't fix the bug because ARIA isn't supposed to impact behavior.
20:35:05 <Char> Janina sent an email to Cynthia describing the issue.
20:35:05 <cyns> Janina, can you call in, please?
20:36:18 <cyns> ping Janina
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20:37:18 <Char> zakim, who's here?
20:37:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Char, Jason, Steve, Larry, Cynthia_Shelly
20:37:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see cyns, janina, lweiss, Stevef, jkiss, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, davidb
20:39:13 <Char> Cynthia would prefer if ARIA elements weren't implemented piecemeal because of the various levels of confusion that will result. She's comfortable handling the bug as a "won't fix" issue for now.
20:40:35 <Char> It would be nice if there was a placeholder for deferred bugs (so everyone would know that it's being delayed).
20:41:04 <Char> Cynthia will ask Paul at the next usability meeting about the right way to respond to the bug.
20:42:25 <Char> If the author is going to provide a background image, or if there's an image with associated text, then it seems odd to have the whole thing draggable.
20:43:44 <Char> Resolution: Mapping Task Force does not recommend escalating this issue.
20:44:06 <Char> Author can make element draggable by adding attribute (it just doesn't get added by default).
20:45:05 <Char> Topic: Action Item Review
20:45:51 <Char> Cynthia talked to Michael Cooper, has directions on how to set up a wiki. She will send Char an email, and Char will start adding information.
20:46:04 <Char> Jason did a lot of work on the table layout (see first topic).
20:46:33 <janina> zakim, code?
20:46:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 2274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
20:47:02 <Zakim> +??P5
20:47:11 <Char> zakim, ??p5 is Janina
20:47:11 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
20:50:12 <Char> Janina has joined the discussion about the bug; agrees with Cynthia that implementation shouldn't be done piecemeal.
20:51:10 <Char> Janina will put it on the agenda for the Thursday call.
20:51:17 <Zakim> -Janina
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20:51:30 <Char> Topic: Formulating Questions for Implementors
20:51:57 <Char> We will cover this next week now that the layout problems have been covered.
20:53:44 <Char> Steve will coordinate with Jason about the script.
20:53:56 <Char> Steve will add information about data generated from HTML5.
20:54:15 <Char> Jason has updated http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html.
20:58:27 <Zakim> -Steve
20:58:32 <Zakim> -Jason
21:00:08 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
21:00:08 <Zakim> -Larry
21:00:11 <Char> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:00:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/14-aapi-minutes.html Char
21:00:14 <Zakim> -Char
21:00:15 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has ended
21:00:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Char, David_Bolter, Jason, Steve, Larry, Cynthia_Shelly, Janina
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