17:00:21 RRSAgent has joined #html-wg 17:00:21 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-html-wg-irc 17:00:21 Clarke has joined #html-wg 17:00:23 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:00:23 Zakim has joined #html-wg 17:00:25 Zakim, this will be html_wg 17:00:25 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started 17:00:26 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference 17:00:26 Date: 09 February 2012 17:00:41 ScribeNick: adrianba 17:00:46 Scribe: Adrian Bateman 17:00:50 Chair: Sam Ruby 17:00:54 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0013.html 17:01:06 +[Microsoft] 17:01:31 +[Microsoft.a] 17:01:42 zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me 17:01:43 +adrianba; got it 17:01:58 paulc has joined #html-wg 17:02:02 zakim, [Microsoft] is krisk 17:02:02 +krisk; got it 17:02:14 +Cynthia_Shelly 17:02:27 janina has joined #html-wg 17:02:31 + +49.251.280.aaaa 17:02:38 + +1.415.595.aabb 17:02:42 MFoladare has joined #html-wg 17:02:42 Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me 17:02:42 +Julian; got it 17:02:47 Zakim, mute me 17:02:47 Julian should now be muted 17:02:48 +??P31 17:02:53 Zakim, call Mike 17:02:53 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made 17:02:54 +Mike 17:02:55 +[Microsoft] 17:02:58 zakim, ??P31 is Janina_Sajka 17:02:59 +Janina_Sajka; got it 17:03:05 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc 17:03:05 +paulc; got it 17:03:26 +Radhika_Roy 17:03:28 Zakim, +1.415.595.aabb is me 17:03:30 +mjs; got it 17:04:00 TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, February 9 17:04:08 ACTION-207? 17:04:08 ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active -- due 2012-02-07 -- OPEN 17:04:08 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207 17:04:31 paulc: i think we can close this action item - intent was to double check that proposal was still operative 17:04:53 ... chairs are working with WG and Web & TV IG and the chairs will decide when to push to the next step 17:05:00 ... i will register this in the action item 17:05:16 TOPIC: New Issues This Week 17:05:19 rubys: none 17:05:23 TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week 17:05:27 rubys: none 17:05:27 +Plh 17:05:40 zakim, drop plh 17:05:40 Plh is being disconnected 17:05:42 -Plh 17:06:02 TOPIC: Items Closing This Week 17:06:21 rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 11, have none 17:06:25 +Philippe 17:06:26 ISSUE-172? 17:06:26 ISSUE-172 -- restore as an optional element -- open 17:06:26 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172 17:06:38 rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 11, have one 17:06:42 ISSUE-131? 17:06:42 ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open 17:06:42 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131 17:06:46 ISSUE-183? 17:06:46 ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open 17:06:46 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183 17:06:50 ISSUE-184? 17:06:50 ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open 17:06:50 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184 17:06:59 Clarke has joined #html-wg 17:07:13 rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 11, have one: 17:07:18 ISSUE-179? 17:07:18 ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open 17:07:18 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179 17:07:32 TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week 17:07:39 rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 15, have one 17:07:45 ISSUE-193? 17:07:45 ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content -- open 17:07:45 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193 17:07:52 rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 15, have none 17:07:56 ISSUE-194? 17:07:56 ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- raised 17:07:56 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194 17:08:00 ISSUE-195? 17:08:00 ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- raised 17:08:00 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195 17:08:03 ISSUE-196? 17:08:03 ISSUE-196 -- Define user agent http response handling behaviour -- raised 17:08:03 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196 17:08:07 ISSUE-197? 17:08:07 ISSUE-197 -- Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values -- raised 17:08:09 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197 17:08:16 rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 15, have none 17:08:20 ISSUE-182? 17:08:20 ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- open 17:08:20 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182 17:08:24 ISSUE-188? 17:08:24 ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format -- open 17:08:24 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188 17:08:28 ISSUE-189? 17:08:28 ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open 17:08:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189 17:08:33 rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 15, have one 17:08:36 ISSUE-185? 17:08:36 ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open 17:08:36 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185 17:08:41 rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 15, have none 17:08:47 ISSUE-198? 17:08:47 ISSUE-198 -- Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject to the W3C patent policy -- raised 17:08:47 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/198 17:08:49 ISSUE-199? 17:08:50 ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- raised 17:08:50 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199 17:08:53 ISSUE-200? 17:08:53 ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- raised 17:08:54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200 17:08:56 ISSUE-201? 17:08:57 ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- raised 17:08:59 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201 17:09:00 ISSUE-202? 17:09:03 ISSUE-202 -- Missing alt should not be considered conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length -- raised 17:09:06 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/202 17:09:08 rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 16, have none 17:09:12 ISSUE-203? 17:09:12 ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- raised 17:09:13 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203 17:09:36 rubys: important that we get CP for these issues - if we don't get proposals the issues will be deferred to html.next 17:10:14 janina: a11y tf thinks issue 203 should be considered after issue 30 17:10:24 ... since one depends on the other 17:10:47 ... you need both an alt text and a longdesc for the media element - this is separate from the poster that it may have 17:11:09 ... we in good shape on the alt but not on the longdesc because we don't yet know which mechanism we will end up with for that 17:11:29 rubys: are you suggesting the deadline moved after? 17:11:39 janina: yes, to start after the longdesc question is resolved 17:11:54 paulc: are you asking that we don't process 203 before 30 or that we delay calling change proposals 17:12:05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0098.html 17:12:23 janina: delaying change proposals call because the only thing that could be proposed is used longdesc or described by that we're talking about in 30 17:12:39 ... CP will be to apply that mechanism to the video tag 17:12:54 paulc: could you write the CP saying using the solution from issue 30 17:13:09 ... then all we have to make sure we don't come to a decision on 203 before 30 17:13:16 rubys: before the deadline? 17:13:22 janina: yes 17:13:44 ... if that kind of conditional proposal is acceptable then this is reasonable 17:13:59 paulc: suggest that you get this into the CP and ask for explicit permission from chairs 17:14:22 TOPIC: New Calls this week 17:14:28 rubys: none 17:14:32 TOPIC: New Surveys this week 17:14:35 rubys: none 17:14:40 TOPIC: Decisions this week 17:14:46 ISSUE-177? 17:14:46 ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open 17:14:46 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177 17:15:00 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0065.html 17:15:09 rubys: published decision, editor has applied the change 17:15:21 TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force 17:15:30 krisk: met as planned last week 31 jan 17:15:34 Meeting Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Feb/0000.html 17:15:57 krisk: no new bugs, some new tests from Ms2ger 17:16:34 ... some discussion about the a11y and aria mapping testing and kris will follow-up with cynthia and a11y tf 17:16:40 TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force 17:17:00 janina: very busy, number of change proposals coming is large 17:17:10 ... we have a reconsideration request on meta generator 17:17:29 ... task force decision on that now 17:19:25 TOPIC: Other business 17:19:41 rubys: review of issue 30 proposal 17:19:51 ... mjs posted review 17:20:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0058.html 17:20:18 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0064.html 17:20:37 rubys: next up is split issue 30 17:20:54 rubys: discussion started on the mailing list 17:21:08 ... if there are two parts disagreement about whichto do first 17:21:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0067.html 17:21:23 rubys: discussions ongoing 17:21:35 janina: is there agreement on what the 2 parts are? 17:21:42 rubys: i think so 17:22:02 ... my understanding is the aria question is split out from whether longdesc is deprecated 17:22:27 ... active discussion, lots of emails in last 24/48 hours 17:22:39 rubys: Revert request for r6895 17:22:46 ... this has been applied 17:22:49 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0066.html 17:23:08 rubys: Saturday is the deadline for change proposals for New Information 17:23:22 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0082.html 17:23:50 rubys: this post describes exactly what is needed 17:23:54 rubys: April face-to-face meetings for HTML and WebApps 17:24:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0057.html 17:24:16 plh: in order to help wg make progress, a f2f would be good 17:24:32 ... especially in april for html wg 17:24:44 ... now question is dates with conferences we don't want to overlap with 17:24:55 ... ended up with second week in april 17:25:18 ... we are aware that this is easter monday so some people will have to travel on that day, also end of passover 17:25:36 ... unfortunate but unless more objections will continue since only alternative is may 17:25:47 ... which doesn't work for html wg timeline 17:25:54 ... don't yet have a host - looking for a host 17:26:08 ... want to block dates next week and confirm meeting as soon after that as possible 17:26:23 rubys: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2012-01-23 - 2012-01-29 17:26:27 http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/01/openweb-weekly-26.html 17:27:06 TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting 17:27:14 rubys: any volunteers? 17:27:45 paulc: my turn to chair next week 17:27:50 TOPIC: Adjournment 17:27:56 -Sam 17:27:57 -Mike 17:27:57 -Janina_Sajka 17:27:58 rubys: thanks everybody 17:27:59 -krisk 17:28:03 -Philippe 17:28:04 -Julian 17:28:14 janina has left #html-wg 17:28:15 -adrianba 17:28:19 zakim, bye 17:28:19 leaving. 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