19:48:18 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 19:48:18 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-aapi-irc 19:48:25 Zakim has joined #aapi 19:48:30 zakim, this will be aapi 19:48:31 ok, Char; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes 19:48:38 rrsagent, make logs pulic 19:48:50 rrsagent, make logs public 19:49:14 Scribe: Char 19:49:19 Meeting: AAPI 19:49:26 Chair: Cynthia Shelly 19:52:42 WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started 19:52:49 + +1.781.598.aaaa 19:52:54 zakim, aaaa is Char 19:52:54 +Char; got it 19:56:23 Agenda: Review action items, New business 19:57:10 +[Mozilla] 19:57:26 Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter 19:57:26 +David_Bolter; got it 19:58:28 + +1.213.330.aabb 19:58:40 zakim, aabb is Jason 19:58:40 +Jason; got it 20:00:09 lweiss has joined #aapi 20:00:43 +[Microsoft] 20:01:05 zakim, microsoft is lweiss 20:01:05 +lweiss; got it 20:02:23 ACTION: jkiss to follow up with James Craig on proposed Mac mappings and solicit input from lists on same 20:02:43 +[Microsoft] 20:03:19 cyns has joined #aapi 20:03:45 Topic: Recap Action Items 20:03:57 zakim, microsoft is cyns 20:03:57 +cyns; got it 20:04:13 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview3.html 20:05:11 cyns has joined #aapi 20:05:36 jkiss has updated overview3. Reformatted the tables, added table summaries. Works with keyboard and mouse. 20:07:06 Problems with JAWS/NVDA in IE/FF...in some cases, space bar fires nested link. 20:08:09 jkiss started by forking ?'s item, they've been talking about issues. 20:08:49 NVDA was going into forms mode if setfocus was on summary element, would exit forms mode if you tabbed to a nested link 20:09:28 jkiss tried several possible solutions, none made much of a difference 20:10:15 Stevef has more information on latest mappings from Mac 20:10:51 group needs to decide which layout we're going to continue to modify (now we have 3) 20:12:49 First, input from developers is needed to determine which layout is best. 20:13:50 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview3.html 20:14:08 test 20:14:28 overview2 had first conversion test, overview3 has table summaries and drop-down text 20:14:44 cyns has joined #aapi 20:17:47 right now, search isn't effective with items collapsed; with an "expand all" trigger, search would work. Doc would need note to explain this. 20:18:04 items include summary and detail. 20:19:59 char: jkiss used Mathias Bynens' jquery-details plugin, they've been talking about issues. 20:20:30 Now discussing multiple tables v single table. Browser implementers would probably prefer single table to see all entries for one concept. 20:22:14 davidb says ARIA was implemented along with development, probably wouldn't have used single table the way it was intended 20:23:09 cyns trying to understand implementers' workflow (is it tag-by-tag or by concept?) 20:23:43 davidb says generally now, it's tag-specific. 20:23:59 cyns says Microsoft generally does lots of things at once 20:25:05 davidb says one of the functions of this document is interoperability, They would look down the individual columns of the table to see any areas of divergence. 20:25:55 But Firefox and Chrome do multiple mappings. (Safari so far hasn't done anything on Windows.) 20:27:03 cyns will talk to Michael about being able to flip the table views. 20:27:18 Action: cyns will talk to Michael about being able to flip the table views. 20:27:38 we don't know W3C standards on duplication of content in a doc 20:28:48 Stevef has joined #aapi 20:29:05 morning/afternoon etc 20:29:29 Action: jkiss will test proof-of-concept of getting all values for API (I used "concept" above) in one table 20:29:48 apologies will not make the meet, am in process of getting daughter to bed after poo accident 20:30:52 jkiss says it's a quick test to determine if it will work 20:31:49 jkiss says DOM manipulation is more significant when flipping table view 20:33:00 lweiss points out that going to a table-flipping view means that we're back to one table when editing 20:33:11 worth mentioning: http://www.html5accessibility.com/ as part of this work noted that safari on mac have implemented html5 structural elements using mainly wai-aria roles, so shoudl add this info where applicable to mac accessibility api 20:33:33 jkiss cleaned up the code in overview3, much easier to make changes without adding mistakes 20:33:47 have recorded role etc info in comments here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlVP5_A996c5dGlZdy1rcmhoalF1a2pJYXc4S3NaV2c&hl=en_GB#gid=1 20:34:43 ctahc you all next week hopefully! 20:34:49 catch 20:34:58 could have one table with collapsible columns to limit table width 20:36:22 could have one main table with many view options 20:36:36 collapsible columns, view by element, etc. 20:44:25 -Char 20:44:49 +Char 20:45:52 stevef sent link to doc with more info that can be added to whatever overview doc we decide to use 20:46:17 ACTION: jkiss will add Steve's information to overview (original) 20:48:21 One large table identifies everything an implementer needs to do for one API...it's just unwieldy in layout (and when printed, so that has to be accommodated, too) 20:56:02 cyns will get the wiki set up, Char will transfer info 20:58:00 -David_Bolter 20:58:06 -Jason 20:58:08 -lweiss 20:58:10 -Char 20:58:12 regrets: Steve Faulkner 20:58:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 20:58:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-aapi-minutes.html Char 21:05:01 disconnecting the lone participant, cyns, in WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM 21:05:02 WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has ended 21:05:02 Attendees were +1.781.598.aaaa, Char, David_Bolter, +1.213.330.aabb, Jason, lweiss, cyns 22:18:17 Zakim has left #aapi