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15:59:04 <Zakim> Team_(webtv)16:00Z has now started
15:59:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:42 <Zakim> +??P5
16:00:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:00:41 <giuseppe> kaz, no problem
16:00:44 <giuseppe> will ph join?
16:00:51 <Zakim> +Nilo_Mitra
16:01:08 <yosuke> Hi, Giuseppe!
16:01:15 <Zakim> +MarkW
16:01:17 <giuseppe> Hi yosuke
16:01:50 <Zakim> +Russell
16:02:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:02:27 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P5, [IPcaller.a], Nilo_Mitra, MarkW, Russell, [Microsoft]
16:02:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, yosuke, giuseppe, kaz, trackbot
16:02:31 <NiloM> NiloM has joined #webtv
16:02:47 <giuseppe> nope
16:02:53 <R_Berkoff> R_Berkoff has joined #webtv
16:03:05 <Johnsim> Johnsim has joined #webtv
16:03:08 <kaz> could you please check who is on?
16:04:44 <ph> ph has joined #webtv
16:04:55 <ph> zakim, call philipp-home
16:04:55 <Zakim> ok, ph; the call is being made
16:04:57 <Zakim> +Philipp
16:05:35 <ph> no sorry
16:06:11 <ph> zakim, who is here?
16:06:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P5, [IPcaller.a], Nilo_Mitra, MarkW, Russell, [Microsoft], Philipp
16:06:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see ph, Johnsim, R_Berkoff, NiloM, RRSAgent, Zakim, yosuke, giuseppe, kaz, trackbot
16:06:42 <Johnsim> Scribe: Johnsim
16:06:46 <giuseppe> zakim, [Microsoft] is Johnsim
16:06:46 <Zakim> +Johnsim; got it
16:06:48 <ph> can we identify who's on the call? or is this known already?
16:06:57 <Zakim> +??P21
16:07:05 <giuseppe> ph, are you on the call?
16:07:13 <ph> yes
16:07:39 <Zakim> -??P21
16:07:40 <ph> zakim, ??p21 is chris
16:07:41 <Zakim> I already had ??P21 as ??P21, ph
16:08:14 <giuseppe> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Agenda_Telco_6/2/2012
16:08:32 <Johnsim> Discuss charter for new task force
16:08:36 <giuseppe> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Charter
16:09:02 <Johnsim> Any comments on the goals?
16:09:54 <Johnsim> Mark Watson - discussion on email is target of the profile and reason for profile - features or devices that support a set of features. 
16:10:19 <Johnsim> Mark Watson: device not support all the features - which is the typical problem with TV type devices
16:10:51 <kaz> i/Discuss/scribenick: johnsim/
16:11:37 <Johnsim> Giuseppe - two parts - pure profiling part - maturity of the spec - depends on the group - reach a point where we can mandate a profile - if able to score X then you are in this category of devices.
16:11:39 <Zakim> + +1.289.261.aaaa
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16:12:04 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:12:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:12:36 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, pointer?
16:12:36 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Josh_Soref.
16:12:52 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
16:12:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], yosuke, [IPcaller.a], Nilo_Mitra, MarkW, Russell, Johnsim, Philipp, +1.289.261.aaaa
16:12:55 <ph> zakim, 261.aaaa is Josh_Soref
16:12:55 <Zakim> sorry, ph, I do not recognize a party named '261.aaaa'
16:12:59 <Johnsim> Giuseppe - perhaps word "profile" - device and feature profiling.
16:13:02 <Josh_Soref> zakim, aaaa is me
16:13:02 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref; got it
16:13:20 <Johnsim> Mark Watson: word "profile" is correct if features all selected from other documents
16:13:20 <ph> zakim, +1.289.261.aaaa is Josh_Soref
16:13:20 <Zakim> sorry, ph, I do not recognize a party named '+1.289.261.aaaa'
16:13:34 <Johnsim> versus defining new features - which would be specification work
16:13:57 <Dewa> Dewa has joined #webtv
16:14:17 <Dewa> hello
16:14:23 <ph> rrsagent, make minutes public
16:14:23 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', ph.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:14:27 <Johnsim> Giuseppe - would not make sense to mix the two - if nothing complete enough to be used then we go to the working groups and get the external document complete and we can reference from the profile
16:14:29 <Dewa> finally I connected..
16:14:36 <Josh_Soref> s/hello//
16:14:42 <Josh_Soref> s/finally I connected..//
16:15:03 <Johnsim> The profile should not contain the specification but the reference, but if there is no specification, go out to the other groups to get spec done
16:15:47 <Johnsim> watson: range of devices and not just TV; but because TV have limited processing capacility that we need this work. and some additional capabilities, like tuners, so it all gets down to device capabilities, i think
16:15:56 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:15:59 <Zakim> +??P25
16:16:38 <ph> chair: giuseppe (opera)
16:16:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
16:16:56 <Johnsim> Giuseppe - parts of these document apply to all devices
16:17:06 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
16:17:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:17:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:17:13 <Josh_Soref> s/kaz, no problem//
16:17:15 <giuseppe> sorry I dropped
16:17:18 <Josh_Soref> s/will ph join?//
16:17:18 <giuseppe> calling in again
16:17:24 <Josh_Soref> s/Hi, Giuseppe!//
16:17:30 <Josh_Soref> s/Hi yosuke//
16:17:34 <Josh_Soref> s/nope//
16:17:35 <Johnsim> Watson - things generic (like DRM) being discussed in other activities. if all devices had same capabilities we would not need profiles
16:17:38 <Zakim> +??P2
16:17:39 <Josh_Soref> s/could you please check who is on?//
16:17:44 <Josh_Soref> s/no sorry//
16:18:08 <ph> zakim, ??P2 is giuseppe
16:18:08 <Zakim> +giuseppe; got it
16:18:09 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:18:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:18:28 <Johnsim> Watson: generally applicable features should be dealt with elsewhere. it is only because devices cannot met all features we need this profiling at all
16:18:33 <Josh_Soref> s/Mark Watson -/MarkWatson:/
16:18:40 <Josh_Soref> s/Mark Watson:/MarkWatson:/
16:18:50 <Josh_Soref> s/Giuseppe -/Giuseppe:/
16:18:51 <Josh_Soref> s/Giuseppe -/Giuseppe:/
16:18:56 <Josh_Soref> s/Mark Watson:/MarkWatson:/
16:19:04 <Josh_Soref> s/Giuseppe -/Giuseppe:/
16:19:06 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:19:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:19:36 <Josh_Soref> s/versus defining/... versus defining/
16:19:47 <Josh_Soref> s/The profile should not contain/... The profile should not contain/
16:19:57 <Josh_Soref> s/Watson -/Watson:/
16:20:08 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:20:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:21:30 <Johnsim> Giuseppe: may need calls every 2nd or 3rd week - or once a month - if all the discussion on the list easy for all to participate
16:21:35 <yosuke> +1
16:21:39 <Johnsim> +1
16:22:11 <Johnsim> Giuseppe: once a month? Or perhaps don't need calls and call for it when we need it
16:23:08 <Johnsim> Philipp: once a month. Check point once a month is good.
16:23:23 <Josh_Soref> Meeting: TV Profile Task Force
16:23:40 <Josh_Soref> s/watson/Watson:/
16:23:49 <Johnsim> Giuseppe: once a month
16:23:55 <Josh_Soref> s/MarkWatson:/Watson:/g
16:24:01 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:24:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:24:08 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Bug Tracking
16:25:00 <Johnsim> Giuseppe: don't have project yet. will announce it when ready. and in monthly call go through the bugs and get this discussed. does this work for everybody?
16:25:03 <Josh_Soref> i/need calls/Topic: Meeting Schedule/
16:25:36 <Josh_Soref> s/yet/yet [in Bugzilla-- the proposed bug tracker]/
16:25:45 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:25:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:25:55 <Josh_Soref> s/sorry I dropped//
16:25:59 <Josh_Soref> s/calling in again//
16:26:07 <Johnsim> Giuseppe: last thing on agenda http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/tip/tvprofile/tv.html 
16:26:26 <Johnsim> Giuseppe: any other business?
16:26:37 <Josh_Soref> i/may need calls/Topic: Meeting Schedule/
16:27:01 <Josh_Soref> i/last thing/Topic: Profile-Spec/
16:27:07 <Zakim> -??P25
16:27:07 <Josh_Soref> i/any other/Topic: AOB/
16:27:10 <Johnsim> Giuseppe: keep discussing on the list, call on first Monday of the month. Thanks.
16:27:11 <Zakim> -MarkW
16:27:15 <Zakim> -Russell
16:27:20 <Zakim> -Philipp
16:27:20 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:27:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:27:24 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:27:34 <Zakim> -Johnsim
16:27:41 <ph> zakim, list attendees
16:27:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], Nilo_Mitra, MarkW, Russell, Philipp, Johnsim, yosuke, +1.289.261.aaaa, Josh_Soref, giuseppe
16:27:44 <Zakim> -yosuke
16:27:48 <Josh_Soref> s/Discuss charter for new task force/Topic: Discuss charter for new task force/
16:28:04 <Josh_Soref> s/Giuseppe - two parts/Giuseppe: two parts/
16:29:12 <Josh_Soref> s/+1/Johnsim: +1/
16:29:18 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:29:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:30:00 <Josh_Soref> s/Johnsim:_+1.289.261.aaaa/Josh_Soref/
16:30:05 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:30:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:30:50 <Josh_Soref> s/Johnsim: +1.289.261.aaaa/Josh_Soref/
16:30:53 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:30:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:32:30 <Josh_Soref> s|s/Johnsim:_+1.289.261.aaaa/Josh_Soref/||
16:32:36 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:32:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:34:22 <Josh_Soref> s/Josh_Soref, Josh_Soref/Josh_Soref/
16:34:28 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:34:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:34:49 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, IPCaller is Dewa
16:34:49 <Zakim> sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller'
16:35:01 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, IPcaller is Dewa
16:35:01 <Zakim> sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
16:35:20 <Josh_Soref> s/[IPcaller]/YoshiharuDewa/
16:35:23 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:35:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:48:42 <Zakim> +??P3
16:48:50 <Zakim> -??P3
16:49:00 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref
16:49:12 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
16:49:12 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:49:12 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], Nilo_Mitra, MarkW, Russell, Philipp, Johnsim, yosuke, +1.289.261.aaaa, Josh_Soref, giuseppe
16:49:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:49:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html trackbot
16:49:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:49:21 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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17:04:43 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-irc
17:04:51 <kaz> Present: Giuseppe, Nilo_Mitra, MarkW, Russell, Philipp, Johnsim, yosuke, Josh_Soref, Yoshiharu_Dewa
17:04:54 <kaz> regrets: Kaz(only_on_IRC)
17:04:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:04:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html kaz
17:05:35 <kaz> rrsagent, bye
17:05:48 <Josh_Soref> s/giuseppe (opera)/Giuseppe (opera)/
17:05:57 <kaz> ah
17:05:59 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:05:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-webtv-minutes.html Josh_Soref
17:06:20 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:06:25 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, bye
17:06:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items