15:03:19 RRSAgent has joined #gld 15:03:19 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-irc 15:03:21 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:03:21 Zakim has joined #gld 15:03:23 Zakim, this will be GLD 15:03:23 ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 15:03:24 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 15:03:24 Date: 02 February 2012 15:03:38 csarven has joined #gld 15:03:39 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:03:41 + +3539149aaee 15:03:44 On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, Sandro, ??P26, [LC], +3539149aacc, +1.202.691.aadd, ??P14, +3539149aaee 15:03:57 Zakim, [LC] is me 15:03:57 +tinagheen; got it 15:03:57 Zakim, aaee is me 15:03:58 +mhausenblas; got it 15:04:01 zakim, +35391 is me 15:04:04 +fadi; got it 15:04:11 Zakim, aaaa is Mike_P 15:04:12 + +34.91.336.aaff 15:04:16 +[IPcaller] 15:04:19 +Mike_P; got it 15:04:24 zakim, aaff is boris 15:04:28 +boris; got it 15:04:33 Zakim, aadd is DanG 15:04:36 +DanG; got it 15:04:44 +Sandro.a 15:04:46 \me also connected through skype 15:04:50 -Sandro 15:05:14 -[IPcaller] 15:05:31 Zakim, I am IPCaller 15:05:31 sorry, olyerickson, I do not see a party named 'IPCaller' 15:05:44 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:05:44 On the phone I see George_Thomas, Mike_P, ??P26, tinagheen, fadi, DanG, ??P14, mhausenblas, boris, Sandro 15:05:53 Zakim, BenediktKaempgen is with me 15:05:53 +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:06:27 Zakim, I'm with mhausenblas 15:06:27 +csarven; got it 15:06:45 +??P53 15:06:57 Zakim, mute ??P26 15:06:57 ??P26 should now be muted 15:07:17 Zakim, ??P14 is olyerickson 15:07:17 +olyerickson; got it 15:07:23 Zakim, unmute ??P26 15:07:23 ??P26 should no longer be muted 15:07:44 dvilasuero has joined #gld 15:07:47 zakim, mut eme 15:07:47 I don't understand 'mut eme', fadi 15:07:53 zakim, mute me 15:07:53 fadi should now be muted 15:07:54 mhausenblas, I must be P26 or 53 15:07:57 Yigal has joined #gld 15:07:59 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120202 15:08:07 zakim mute me 15:08:09 Chair: George 15:08:13 zakim, dvilasuero is with boris 15:08:13 +dvilasuero; got it 15:08:14 can folks mute their phones 15:08:14 scribenick: mhausenblas 15:08:23 BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 15:08:24 Zakim, mute ??P53 15:08:24 ??P53 should now be muted 15:08:29 Zakim I'm on the phone too 15:08:47 PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish 'Terms for describing people' in the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 15:09:00 Topic: FPWD 15:09:18 + +1.218.296.aagg 15:09:18 Michael: available via https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html 15:09:25 rreck 15:09:29 i just joined 15:09:30 Zakim, aagg is rreck 15:09:30 +rreck; got it 15:09:35 I looked at the draft/proposal; very good! 15:09:44 + +33.4.93.00.aahh 15:10:08 Zakim, aahh is gatemezi 15:10:08 +gatemezi; got it 15:10:34 I thought mhausenblas' "Terms for describing people" a good step forward 15:10:54 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 15:10:59 Michael: Tried to focus on UC to determine scope and then we can figure what is in scope 15:11:00 q? 15:11:08 q+ 15:11:13 zakim unmute me. 15:11:14 ack olyerickson 15:11:34 olyerickson: good start, Michael, UC help 15:11:41 +1 15:11:43 George: agreed 15:11:48 fantastic :) 15:11:51 zakim mute me. 15:11:54 great job mhausenblas 15:11:56 +1 15:11:56 +??P58 15:11:57 +1 to proposal 15:12:04 +1 to proposal 15:12:06 +1 15:12:10 Zakim, ??P58 is me 15:12:10 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 15:12:11 +1 to proposal 15:12:40 +1 15:12:59 +q 15:12:59 q+ 15:13:08 + +1.323.683.aaii 15:13:19 q? 15:13:25 q? 15:13:32 zakim aaii is me 15:13:54 Zakim, aaii is Yigal 15:13:54 +Yigal; got it 15:13:59 +1 15:14:15 RESOLUTION: The GLD WG decides to publish 'Terms for describing people' in the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 15:14:26 Everything we're doing is currently "subject to revision" 15:14:50 Topic: People UC 15:15:00 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html 15:15:46 Bsrivast has joined #gld 15:16:23 Biplav has joined #gld 15:16:27 zakim, code? 15:16:27 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri 15:16:39 Comment: These are use cases appropriate to our government context 15:16:44 +??P61 15:16:48 +q 15:16:49 Michael: Tried to identify UC from real-world apps or datasets 15:16:53 zakim, ??P61 is me 15:16:53 +cygri; got it 15:17:12 Michael: Tried to derive requirements from it 15:17:15 -q 15:17:20 ack BenediktKaempgen 15:17:24 ack me 15:17:25 BenediktKaempgen: where to contribute 15:17:27 Michael: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Terms_for_describing_people 15:18:11 q? 15:18:15 +??P0 15:18:18 what happened? 15:18:23 zakim, P0 is me 15:18:23 sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'P0' 15:18:25 -Yigal 15:18:32 zakim, ??P0 is me 15:18:32 +cygri; got it 15:18:46 cygri, you brought a loud tone with you. 15:18:50 +Yigal 15:19:06 sorry. my voip thingy crashed. hope it didn't take zakim with it 15:19:20 George: any immediate input for the People ED? 15:20:22 q? 15:20:40 +q 15:20:58 Michael: I guess for the FPWD we should focus on the UC and req - will also cover existing vocabs review 15:21:04 ack BenediktKaempgen 15:21:09 I think the aspects that will be very useful will be people w.r.t. agencies 15:21:28 zakim mute me. 15:21:36 BenediktKaempgen: How do you know if we cover the most interesting UC 15:21:37 zakim, mute olyerickson 15:21:37 olyerickson should now be muted 15:21:41 q+ 15:21:47 q? 15:21:59 zakim, unmute me 15:21:59 cygri should no longer be muted 15:22:06 zakim, mute cygri 15:22:06 cygri should now be muted 15:22:12 cygri, still the loud tone. 15:22:18 :) 15:22:20 ack cygri 15:22:25 zakim, mute cygri 15:22:25 cygri should now be muted 15:22:40 Examples would be (a) elected representatives (b) officials at agencies 15:22:40 i'll redial.  15:22:46 -cygri.a 15:23:04 q+ 15:23:07 olyerickson, this is a software phone. 15:23:11 zakim unmute me. 15:23:14 q? 15:23:25 +??P0 15:23:27 George: dataset driven seems useful 15:23:30 ack olyerickson 15:23:37 q+ 15:23:43 olyerickson: two kinds of people and relations 15:23:53 ... (a) elected representatives (b) officials at agencies 15:23:53 zakim, ??P0 is me 15:23:53 +cygri; got it 15:23:55 q? 15:24:42 olyerickson: also need to check re ORG vocab re instance data 15:24:50 stasinos has joined #gld 15:24:50 q? 15:25:13 ack cygri 15:25:20 zakim, mute cygri 15:25:20 cygri should now be muted 15:25:21 zakim mute me. 15:25:23 oh well. 15:25:40 -cygri.a 15:26:05 regarding where use cases come from: 15:26:27 a good use case is something that you or your organization want to do anyways 15:26:29 +??P0 15:26:40 and that would benefit from, or be enabled by, a standard vocabulary 15:26:46 Zakim, P0 is stasinos 15:26:46 sorry, stasinos, I do not recognize a party named 'P0' 15:26:52 Zakim, ??P0 is stasinos 15:26:52 +stasinos; got it 15:26:55 e.g., for ORG: 15:27:11 q? 15:27:15 q? 15:27:17 ACTION: olyerickson to follow-up on "elected officials" and "agency officials" concern 15:27:17 Created ACTION-46 - Follow-up on "elected officials" and "agency officials" concern [on John Erickson - due 2012-02-09]. 15:27:29 “we want to publish an organigram of our government in machine-readable form so that different ppl can visualize it in different ways” 15:27:33 zakim mute me. 15:27:55 Michael: We're trying to standardise the behaviour of publishers, hence should be driven by stuff that exists out there 15:27:55 gatemezi, I think there was talking in the background where you are. 15:29:16 +??P65 15:29:24 zakim, ??P65 is me 15:29:24 +cygri; got it 15:29:25 q? 15:29:44 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:29:44 On the phone I see George_Thomas, Mike_P, ??P26, tinagheen, fadi (muted), DanG, olyerickson, mhausenblas, boris, Sandro, ??P53 (muted), rreck, gatemezi (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, 15:29:48 ... cygri (muted), Yigal, stasinos, cygri.a 15:29:48 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, BenediktKaempgen, csarven 15:29:48 boris has boris, dvilasuero 15:29:56 zakim, please mute me. 15:29:56 olyerickson should now be muted 15:30:28 cygri: Best UC are the ones that are done or planned and require a standardised way to represent it 15:31:05 ... for example, for QB, take some spread sheets, need to publish, etc. 15:31:13 Michael: I agree with Richard 15:31:23 q? 15:31:40 +1 to move to next topic 15:31:57 -cygri 15:32:00 I have nothing to add. Note that I added an action for myself... 15:32:10 Topic: DCAT Product status review/discussion 15:32:20 zakim you eejit. i'm still on the call 15:33:05 RE "roles," see http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html#roles 15:33:35 George: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 15:33:54 DCAT ED: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html 15:34:11 q? 15:34:18 ACTION-38? 15:34:18 ACTION-38 -- Phil Archer to convert editors' draft of DCAT to make use of respec -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN 15:34:18 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/38 15:34:21 ACTION-39? 15:34:22 ACTION-39 -- Richard Cyganiak to update http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat to point to the new dcat ED -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN 15:34:22 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/39 15:34:25 ACTION-40? 15:34:25 ACTION-40 -- Phil Archer to reflect on SEMIC advice on vocab selection etc. to see if there is more to contribute to the BP doc -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN 15:34:27 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/40 15:34:33 Issue 10 maybe? 15:34:58 zakim unmute me. 15:35:01 q+ 15:35:09 q+ 15:35:12 ack olyerickson 15:36:44 +1 to closing an issue with a resolution 15:36:54 q? 15:36:57 ack cygri 15:37:33 Michael: we should close issues only with the recorded resolution 15:37:52 +1 to cygri 15:37:58 +1 to richard 15:37:59 +1 to have a special meeting on DCAT for those issues... 15:38:09 cygri: we should prepare issues along with proposal 15:38:10 +1 to richard 15:38:38 No objection 15:38:44 George: shall we start discussing issues? 15:39:41 +1 to olyerickson, this would be great! 15:39:52 George: the DCAT team should come up with proposals for the issues 15:39:54 +1 to olyerickson 15:40:26 s/George: the D/John: the D 15:40:35 q? 15:41:07 Topic: Multilingualism of vocabs 15:41:10 ACTION: DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda 15:41:10 Sorry, couldn't find user - DCAT 15:41:39 ACTION: olyerickson to corral DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda 15:41:39 Created ACTION-47 - Corral DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda [on John Erickson - due 2012-02-09]. 15:41:41 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/4/4a/MultilingualismGLD%28v4%29.pdf 15:42:03 zakim mute me. 15:42:25 Elena: From UPM, working on EC project http://www.monnet-project.eu/ 15:42:44 zakim mute me. 15:42:57 +[IPcaller] 15:42:59 ZAKIM mute me. 15:43:05 zakim, IPcaller is me 15:43:05 +PhilA2; got it 15:43:08 Zakim, mute olyerickson 15:43:08 olyerickson should now be muted 15:44:07 (Elena walks us through the slides and highlights certain issues) 15:44:30 -cygri.a 15:44:46 zakim why u hate me 15:45:16 +??P64 15:45:18 zakim, mute me 15:45:18 sorry, cygri, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 15:45:26 zakim, ??P64 is me 15:45:26 +cygri; got it 15:45:29 zakim, mute me 15:45:29 cygri should now be muted 15:46:16 Elena: it is not possible to link the labels, for example, this is the translation of the other 15:46:49 Elena: better than ad-hoc solution is LEMON, developed in Monnet 15:48:02 Slide? 15:48:16 ok slide 14 15:48:21 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:48:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 15:48:27 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:49:55 hmmmm. does this mean we stop using RDF language tags...? is language just another sense? 15:50:02 (or context) 15:54:28 @thanks mhausenblas 15:54:51 Is there any link of the lexical model you are talking about? 15:55:03 Could we advice govn't to *always* import in their vocab the lexical model for the translation of their vocab? 15:55:11 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:55:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 15:55:40 on slide 22, I wonder if it's really "medio de page"@es or if language tags aren/t used (since they are basically redundant with lemon) 15:56:21 sandro, it's still an utterance in a particular natural language, so @es is still appropriate 15:56:52 re: "isCulturalEquivalentTranslationOf" ...wow, what a concept! 15:56:57 I agree, cygri -- just wondering if the lemon folks agree. 15:57:03 sure, mhausenblas 15:57:04 q? 15:57:07 ok sandro 15:57:13 +1 to fascinating! 15:57:16 Thanks Elena!! 15:57:25 great talk elena 15:57:34 Very interesting, Elena 15:57:46 q? 15:57:47 q+ 15:57:48 q+ 15:57:49 George: interesting work, there is a liaising opportunity 15:57:50 q? 15:57:59 ack olyerickson 15:58:31 olyerickson: thanks Elena, we're been thinking about this in RPI as well in the context of international datasets 15:58:42 Thanks Elena! 15:58:43 s/we're/we've 15:59:28 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:59:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 15:59:36 q? 16:00:45 q+ 16:00:54 olyerickson: the extensibility is an important aspect 16:01:02 q- 16:01:06 ack cygri 16:01:07 -cygri 16:01:19 ack DanG 16:01:53 DanG: seems to me that you're using the concept as the pivot 16:01:58 ack dang 16:02:07 ack DanG 16:02:09 q? 16:02:20 DanG: right approach, IMO 16:02:38 if there's time, can someone ask if the ontolex community has an opinion on translating URIs (as opposed to labels/literals)? 16:02:39 George: thanks again, Elena 16:02:46 +1 to babies ;) 16:02:49 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:02:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 16:03:09 Apologises for being absent for so much of the call - glad I caught Elena 16:03:23 go Dan1! 16:03:34 dvilasuero: volunteer to scribe next week 16:03:35 i'd like to volunteer for scribing nexxt week 16:03:42 PhilA see Elana's slides 16:03:47 (meeting adjourned) 16:03:47 thanks george 16:03:48 Thanks all! 16:03:49 bye 16:03:50 Yigal has left #gld 16:03:52 bye 16:03:54 thanks 16:03:54 bye 16:03:56 Thanks olyerickson I did 16:03:57 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:03:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 16:03:57 bye 16:03:58 bye!!! 16:04:00 bubye 16:04:00 bye 16:04:09 olyerickson has left #gld 16:04:17 -stasinos 16:04:56 -tinagheen 16:04:57 -Sandro 16:04:59 -Mike_P 16:05:01 -fadi 16:05:03 -olyerickson 16:05:05 -PhilA2 16:05:09 -DanG 16:05:17 -BartvanLeeuwen 16:05:20 -boris 16:05:26 -Yigal 16:05:27 -??P26 16:05:29 -gatemezi 16:05:42 -rreck 16:05:57 PhilA2 has left #gld 16:06:31 -mhausenblas 16:10:38 -George_Thomas 16:16:21 mhausenblas has joined #gld 16:35:01 disconnecting the lone participant, ??P53, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 16:35:03 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 16:35:03 Attendees were George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, Sandro, +33.4.93.00.aabb, +3539149aacc, +1.202.691.aadd, +3539149aaee, tinagheen, mhausenblas, fadi, +34.91.336.aaff, Mike_P, boris, 16:35:03 ... DanG, BenediktKaempgen, csarven, olyerickson, dvilasuero, +1.218.296.aagg, rreck, +33.4.93.00.aahh, gatemezi, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.323.683.aaii, Yigal, cygri, stasinos, PhilA2 17:28:40 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 17:29:31 HadleyBeeman has left #gld 18:20:25 Zakim has left #gld 19:03:53 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 19:07:19 HadleyBeeman has left #gld