IRC log of gld on 2012-02-02

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be GLD
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ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
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Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 02 February 2012
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15:03:39 [olyerickson]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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+ +3539149aaee
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On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, Sandro, ??P26, [LC], +3539149aacc, +1.202.691.aadd, ??P14, +3539149aaee
15:03:57 [tinagheen]
Zakim, [LC] is me
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+tinagheen; got it
15:03:57 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, aaee is me
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+mhausenblas; got it
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zakim, +35391 is me
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+fadi; got it
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Zakim, aaaa is Mike_P
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+ +34.91.336.aaff
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+Mike_P; got it
15:04:24 [boris]
zakim, aaff is boris
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+boris; got it
15:04:33 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, aadd is DanG
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+DanG; got it
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15:04:46 [BenediktKaempgen]
\me also connected through skype
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15:05:31 [olyerickson]
Zakim, I am IPCaller
15:05:31 [Zakim]
sorry, olyerickson, I do not see a party named 'IPCaller'
15:05:44 [olyerickson]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see George_Thomas, Mike_P, ??P26, tinagheen, fadi, DanG, ??P14, mhausenblas, boris, Sandro
15:05:53 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, BenediktKaempgen is with me
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+BenediktKaempgen; got it
15:06:27 [csarven]
Zakim, I'm with mhausenblas
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+csarven; got it
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Zakim, mute ??P26
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??P26 should now be muted
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Zakim, ??P14 is olyerickson
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+olyerickson; got it
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Zakim, unmute ??P26
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??P26 should no longer be muted
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zakim, mut eme
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I don't understand 'mut eme', fadi
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zakim, mute me
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fadi should now be muted
15:07:54 [DeirdreLee]
mhausenblas, I must be P26 or 53
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zakim mute me
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Chair: George
15:08:13 [dvilasuero]
zakim, dvilasuero is with boris
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+dvilasuero; got it
15:08:14 [Mike_P]
can folks mute their phones
15:08:14 [mhausenblas]
scribenick: mhausenblas
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Zakim, mute ??P53
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??P53 should now be muted
15:08:29 [cgueret]
Zakim I'm on the phone too
15:08:47 [George]
PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish 'Terms for describing people' in the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012
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Topic: FPWD
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+ +1.218.296.aagg
15:09:18 [mhausenblas]
Michael: available via
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15:09:29 [rreck]
i just joined
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Zakim, aagg is rreck
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+rreck; got it
15:09:35 [olyerickson]
I looked at the draft/proposal; very good!
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+ +
15:10:08 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, aahh is gatemezi
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+gatemezi; got it
15:10:34 [olyerickson]
I thought mhausenblas' "Terms for describing people" a good step forward
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Michael: Tried to focus on UC to determine scope and then we can figure what is in scope
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15:11:13 [olyerickson]
zakim unmute me.
15:11:14 [mhausenblas]
ack olyerickson
15:11:34 [mhausenblas]
olyerickson: good start, Michael, UC help
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George: agreed
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fantastic :)
15:11:51 [olyerickson]
zakim mute me.
15:11:54 [dvilasuero]
great job mhausenblas
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15:11:57 [olyerickson]
+1 to proposal
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+1 to proposal
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Zakim, ??P58 is me
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+BartvanLeeuwen; got it
15:12:11 [dvilasuero]
+1 to proposal
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15:12:59 [BenediktKaempgen]
15:12:59 [BenediktKaempgen]
15:13:08 [Zakim]
+ +1.323.683.aaii
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15:13:32 [Yigal]
zakim aaii is me
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Zakim, aaii is Yigal
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+Yigal; got it
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15:14:15 [mhausenblas]
RESOLUTION: The GLD WG decides to publish 'Terms for describing people' in the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012
15:14:26 [olyerickson]
Everything we're doing is currently "subject to revision"
15:14:50 [mhausenblas]
Topic: People UC
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15:16:27 [cygri]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, cygri
15:16:39 [olyerickson]
Comment: These are use cases appropriate to our government context
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15:16:48 [cgueret]
15:16:49 [mhausenblas]
Michael: Tried to identify UC from real-world apps or datasets
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zakim, ??P61 is me
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+cygri; got it
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Michael: Tried to derive requirements from it
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15:17:20 [mhausenblas]
ack BenediktKaempgen
15:17:24 [cgueret]
ack me
15:17:25 [mhausenblas]
BenediktKaempgen: where to contribute
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15:18:15 [Zakim]
15:18:18 [olyerickson]
what happened?
15:18:23 [cygri]
zakim, P0 is me
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sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
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15:18:32 [cygri]
zakim, ??P0 is me
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+cygri; got it
15:18:46 [sandro]
cygri, you brought a loud tone with you.
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15:19:06 [cygri]
sorry. my voip thingy crashed. hope it didn't take zakim with it
15:19:20 [mhausenblas]
George: any immediate input for the People ED?
15:20:22 [George]
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Michael: I guess for the FPWD we should focus on the UC and req - will also cover existing vocabs review
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ack BenediktKaempgen
15:21:09 [olyerickson]
I think the aspects that will be very useful will be people w.r.t. agencies
15:21:28 [olyerickson]
zakim mute me.
15:21:36 [mhausenblas]
BenediktKaempgen: How do you know if we cover the most interesting UC
15:21:37 [sandro]
zakim, mute olyerickson
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olyerickson should now be muted
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15:21:59 [cygri]
zakim, unmute me
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cygri should no longer be muted
15:22:06 [sandro]
zakim, mute cygri
15:22:06 [Zakim]
cygri should now be muted
15:22:12 [sandro]
cygri, still the loud tone.
15:22:18 [cgueret]
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ack cygri
15:22:25 [sandro]
zakim, mute cygri
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cygri should now be muted
15:22:40 [olyerickson]
Examples would be (a) elected representatives (b) officials at agencies
15:22:40 [cygri]
i'll redial.
15:22:46 [Zakim]
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15:23:07 [cygri]
olyerickson, this is a software phone.
15:23:11 [olyerickson]
zakim unmute me.
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15:23:27 [mhausenblas]
George: dataset driven seems useful
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ack olyerickson
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15:23:43 [mhausenblas]
olyerickson: two kinds of people and relations
15:23:53 [mhausenblas]
... (a) elected representatives (b) officials at agencies
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zakim, ??P0 is me
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+cygri; got it
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15:24:42 [mhausenblas]
olyerickson: also need to check re ORG vocab re instance data
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ack cygri
15:25:20 [sandro]
zakim, mute cygri
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cygri should now be muted
15:25:21 [olyerickson]
zakim mute me.
15:25:23 [cygri]
oh well.
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15:26:05 [cygri]
regarding where use cases come from:
15:26:27 [cygri]
a good use case is something that you or your organization want to do anyways
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15:26:40 [cygri]
and that would benefit from, or be enabled by, a standard vocabulary
15:26:46 [stasinos]
Zakim, P0 is stasinos
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sorry, stasinos, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
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Zakim, ??P0 is stasinos
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+stasinos; got it
15:26:55 [cygri]
e.g., for ORG:
15:27:11 [George]
15:27:15 [mhausenblas]
15:27:17 [olyerickson]
ACTION: olyerickson to follow-up on "elected officials" and "agency officials" concern
15:27:17 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-46 - Follow-up on "elected officials" and "agency officials" concern [on John Erickson - due 2012-02-09].
15:27:29 [cygri]
“we want to publish an organigram of our government in machine-readable form so that different ppl can visualize it in different ways”
15:27:33 [olyerickson]
zakim mute me.
15:27:55 [mhausenblas]
Michael: We're trying to standardise the behaviour of publishers, hence should be driven by stuff that exists out there
15:27:55 [sandro]
gatemezi, I think there was talking in the background where you are.
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15:29:24 [cygri]
zakim, ??P65 is me
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+cygri; got it
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15:29:44 [olyerickson]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:29:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see George_Thomas, Mike_P, ??P26, tinagheen, fadi (muted), DanG, olyerickson, mhausenblas, boris, Sandro, ??P53 (muted), rreck, gatemezi (muted), BartvanLeeuwen,
15:29:48 [Zakim]
... cygri (muted), Yigal, stasinos, cygri.a
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mhausenblas has mhausenblas, BenediktKaempgen, csarven
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boris has boris, dvilasuero
15:29:56 [olyerickson]
zakim, please mute me.
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olyerickson should now be muted
15:30:28 [mhausenblas]
cygri: Best UC are the ones that are done or planned and require a standardised way to represent it
15:31:05 [mhausenblas]
... for example, for QB, take some spread sheets, need to publish, etc.
15:31:13 [mhausenblas]
Michael: I agree with Richard
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15:31:40 [cgueret]
+1 to move to next topic
15:31:57 [Zakim]
15:32:00 [olyerickson]
I have nothing to add. Note that I added an action for myself...
15:32:10 [mhausenblas]
Topic: DCAT Product status review/discussion
15:32:20 [cygri]
zakim you eejit. i'm still on the call
15:33:05 [olyerickson]
RE "roles," see
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15:34:11 [mhausenblas]
15:34:18 [cygri]
15:34:18 [trackbot]
ACTION-38 -- Phil Archer to convert editors' draft of DCAT to make use of respec -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN
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15:34:21 [cygri]
15:34:22 [trackbot]
ACTION-39 -- Richard Cyganiak to update to point to the new dcat ED -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN
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15:34:25 [cygri]
15:34:25 [trackbot]
ACTION-40 -- Phil Archer to reflect on SEMIC advice on vocab selection etc. to see if there is more to contribute to the BP doc -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN
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15:34:33 [olyerickson]
Issue 10 maybe?
15:34:58 [olyerickson]
zakim unmute me.
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15:35:09 [cygri]
15:35:12 [mhausenblas]
ack olyerickson
15:36:44 [gatemezi]
+1 to closing an issue with a resolution
15:36:54 [mhausenblas]
15:36:57 [mhausenblas]
ack cygri
15:37:33 [mhausenblas]
Michael: we should close issues only with the recorded resolution
15:37:52 [cgueret]
+1 to cygri
15:37:58 [boris]
+1 to richard
15:37:59 [gatemezi]
+1 to have a special meeting on DCAT for those issues...
15:38:09 [mhausenblas]
cygri: we should prepare issues along with proposal
15:38:10 [DanG]
+1 to richard
15:38:38 [olyerickson]
No objection
15:38:44 [mhausenblas]
George: shall we start discussing issues?
15:39:41 [cygri]
+1 to olyerickson, this would be great!
15:39:52 [mhausenblas]
George: the DCAT team should come up with proposals for the issues
15:39:54 [George]
+1 to olyerickson
15:40:26 [mhausenblas]
s/George: the D/John: the D
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15:41:07 [mhausenblas]
Topic: Multilingualism of vocabs
15:41:10 [olyerickson]
ACTION: DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda
15:41:10 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - DCAT
15:41:39 [olyerickson]
ACTION: olyerickson to corral DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda
15:41:39 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-47 - Corral DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda [on John Erickson - due 2012-02-09].
15:41:41 [dvilasuero]
15:42:03 [olyerickson]
zakim mute me.
15:42:25 [mhausenblas]
Elena: From UPM, working on EC project
15:42:44 [olyerickson]
zakim mute me.
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15:42:59 [olyerickson]
ZAKIM mute me.
15:43:05 [PhilA2]
zakim, IPcaller is me
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+PhilA2; got it
15:43:08 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, mute olyerickson
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olyerickson should now be muted
15:44:07 [mhausenblas]
(Elena walks us through the slides and highlights certain issues)
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15:44:46 [cygri]
zakim why u hate me
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15:45:18 [cygri]
zakim, mute me
15:45:18 [Zakim]
sorry, cygri, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:45:26 [cygri]
zakim, ??P64 is me
15:45:26 [Zakim]
+cygri; got it
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zakim, mute me
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cygri should now be muted
15:46:16 [mhausenblas]
Elena: it is not possible to link the labels, for example, this is the translation of the other
15:46:49 [mhausenblas]
Elena: better than ad-hoc solution is LEMON, developed in Monnet
15:48:02 [olyerickson]
15:48:16 [olyerickson]
ok slide 14
15:48:21 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
15:48:27 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, make logs public
15:49:55 [sandro]
hmmmm. does this mean we stop using RDF language tags...? is language just another sense?
15:50:02 [sandro]
(or context)
15:54:28 [gatemezi]
@thanks mhausenblas
15:54:51 [gatemezi]
Is there any link of the lexical model you are talking about?
15:55:03 [gatemezi]
Could we advice govn't to *always* import in their vocab the lexical model for the translation of their vocab?
15:55:11 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
15:55:40 [sandro]
on slide 22, I wonder if it's really "medio de page"@es or if language tags aren/t used (since they are basically redundant with lemon)
15:56:21 [cygri]
sandro, it's still an utterance in a particular natural language, so @es is still appropriate
15:56:52 [olyerickson]
re: "isCulturalEquivalentTranslationOf", what a concept!
15:56:57 [sandro]
I agree, cygri -- just wondering if the lemon folks agree.
15:57:03 [sandro]
sure, mhausenblas
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15:57:07 [cygri]
ok sandro
15:57:13 [olyerickson]
+1 to fascinating!
15:57:16 [gatemezi]
Thanks Elena!!
15:57:25 [dvilasuero]
great talk elena
15:57:34 [PhilA2]
Very interesting, Elena
15:57:46 [George]
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15:57:48 [cygri]
15:57:49 [mhausenblas]
George: interesting work, there is a liaising opportunity
15:57:50 [mhausenblas]
15:57:59 [mhausenblas]
ack olyerickson
15:58:31 [mhausenblas]
olyerickson: thanks Elena, we're been thinking about this in RPI as well in the context of international datasets
15:58:42 [Biplav]
Thanks Elena!
15:58:43 [mhausenblas]
15:59:28 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
15:59:36 [George]
16:00:45 [DanG]
16:00:54 [mhausenblas]
olyerickson: the extensibility is an important aspect
16:01:02 [cygri]
16:01:06 [mhausenblas]
ack cygri
16:01:07 [Zakim]
16:01:19 [mhausenblas]
ack DanG
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DanG: seems to me that you're using the concept as the pivot
16:01:58 [mhausenblas]
ack dang
16:02:07 [mhausenblas]
ack DanG
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16:02:20 [mhausenblas]
DanG: right approach, IMO
16:02:38 [cygri]
if there's time, can someone ask if the ontolex community has an opinion on translating URIs (as opposed to labels/literals)?
16:02:39 [mhausenblas]
George: thanks again, Elena
16:02:46 [olyerickson]
+1 to babies ;)
16:02:49 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
16:03:09 [PhilA2]
Apologises for being absent for so much of the call - glad I caught Elena
16:03:23 [PhilA2]
go Dan1!
16:03:34 [mhausenblas]
dvilasuero: volunteer to scribe next week
16:03:35 [dvilasuero]
i'd like to volunteer for scribing nexxt week
16:03:42 [olyerickson]
PhilA see Elana's slides
16:03:47 [mhausenblas]
(meeting adjourned)
16:03:47 [BenediktKaempgen]
thanks george
16:03:48 [gatemezi]
Thanks all!
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Thanks olyerickson I did
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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Attendees were George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, Sandro, +, +3539149aacc, +1.202.691.aadd, +3539149aaee, tinagheen, mhausenblas, fadi, +34.91.336.aaff, Mike_P, boris,
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