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17:01:45 <hober> RRSAgent, this will be HTML
17:01:45 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'this will be HTML', hober.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:01:49 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:01:49 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I don't know what conference this is
17:01:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, hober, trackbot, krisk, paulc, cjones, Julian, drublic, glenn, dveditz, davidb, plh, ArtB, nonge, pingo, Dashiva, mjs, shepazu, MikeSmith,
17:01:54 <Zakim> ... danielfilho, paul___irish, heycam|away, gavin, webben, slightlyoff, Hixie, johndrinkwater, Jedi, inimino, krijnh, rektide, hsivonen, hiro, ed, lgombos, gsnedders, CIA-1,
17:01:56 <Zakim> ... hober2, Philip, jgraham, [tm], jmb
17:02:06 <krisk> zakim, this is html-wg
17:02:06 <Zakim> sorry, krisk, I do not see a conference named 'html-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time
17:02:21 <hober> Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
17:02:21 <Zakim> ok, hober, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
17:02:26 <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], [Apple], [Microsoft.a], Julian, +1.415.595.aaaa
17:02:30 <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
17:02:30 <Zakim> +hober; got it
17:02:34 <Julian> Zakim, mute me
17:02:34 <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
17:02:48 <paulc> Zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
17:02:49 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
17:03:01 <hober> ScribeNick: hober
17:03:05 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
17:03:05 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:03:06 <Zakim> +Mike
17:03:09 <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is me
17:03:13 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
17:03:15 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:03:35 <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aaaa is me
17:03:43 <Zakim> +mjs; got it
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17:04:38 <hober> Topic: Action items due by Thursday, January 26
17:04:46 <hober> paulc: there aren't any
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17:05:00 <hober> paulc: the one oustanding action item is due next week
17:05:03 <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week
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17:05:06 <hober> ISSUE-203?
17:05:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- raised
17:05:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
17:05:23 <hober> paulc: there's a call for change proposals out
17:05:25 <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
17:05:28 <hober> ISSUE-180?
17:05:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
17:05:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
17:05:34 <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
17:05:38 <hober> paulc: no objections to the CfC
17:05:41 <hober> ISSUE-181?
17:05:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
17:05:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
17:05:47 <hober> paulc: no objections to the CfC
17:05:51 <hober> ISSUE-187?
17:05:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open
17:05:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
17:06:08 <hober> paulc: we have a change proposals, so there's a call for alternate proposals
17:06:10 <hober> ISSUE-190?
17:06:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
17:06:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
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17:06:25 <hober> paulc: we have a change proposal
17:06:27 <hober> ISSUE-191?
17:06:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open
17:06:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
17:06:40 <hober> paulc: closed on 1/21, we have a change proposal
17:06:41 <hober> ISSUE-192?
17:06:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open
17:06:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
17:06:55 <hober> paulc: call for change proposals closed on 1/21
17:06:57 <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
17:07:03 <hober> paulc: due to christmas break, there are none
17:07:06 <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
17:07:07 <hober> paulc: there are none
17:07:26 <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
17:07:33 <hober> ISSUE-187?
17:07:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open
17:07:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
17:07:36 <Zakim> +??P27
17:07:47 <hober> paulc: call for alternate change proposals closes on 2/23
17:07:50 <Clarke> +Clarke_Stevens
17:07:52 <hober> ISSUE-190?
17:07:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
17:07:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
17:08:00 <Clarke> zakim, ??P27 is me
17:08:00 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
17:08:05 <hober> paulc: we have a single change proposal; call for counter change proposals closes on 2/23
17:08:07 <hober> ISSUE-191?
17:08:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open
17:08:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
17:08:13 <hober> paulc: call for counter change proposals closes on 2/23
17:08:16 <hober> ISSUE-192?
17:08:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open
17:08:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
17:08:29 <hober> paulc: call for alternate or counter change proposals closes on 2/23, we have a single proposal
17:08:42 <hober> paulc: we encourage wg members to discuss these on public-html
17:08:55 <hober> paulc: early filing of counter proposals is encouraged
17:08:57 <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
17:09:04 <hober> paulc: there aren't any
17:09:06 <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
17:09:11 <hober> ISSUE-180?
17:09:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
17:09:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
17:09:13 <hober> ISSUE-181?
17:09:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
17:09:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
17:09:29 <hober> paulc: both have been closed by amicable consensus because there were no objections
17:09:50 <hober> paulc: the related bugs will be so marked & the editor has been asked to make the changes
17:09:53 <hober> Topic: Task Force Reports
17:09:59 <hober> Topic: Testing Task Force report
17:10:18 <hober> krisk: met last week on the 17th
17:10:21 <krisk> Meeting Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Jan/0004.html
17:10:34 <hober> krisk: slow month, but a few more test submissions came in
17:10:46 <hober> krisk: jgraham is helping with test reviews
17:10:51 <hober> krisk: we meet again next week
17:11:12 <hober> krisk: sent a mail to the testing list updating our schedule through the end of july & updated wiki about same
17:11:16 <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Jan/0005.html
17:11:28 <hober> paulc: do you have a page that describes the current test suite status?
17:11:45 <krisk> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/
17:12:00 <krisk> http://w3c-test.org/html/
17:12:30 <hober> Topic: Accessibility Task Force report
17:12:43 <hober> MikeSmith: we met today
17:12:46 <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Jan/0270.html
17:12:47 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:12:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], [Apple], krisk, Julian (muted), mjs, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Radhika_Roy, Clarke
17:12:49 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
17:12:49 <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
17:12:57 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-html-a11y-minutes.html
17:13:15 <hober> MikeSmith: we talked about the <meta name=generator> cp steve f. has been working on
17:13:40 <hober> MikeSmith: the spec has an exception for image alternative text if there's a <meta name=generator> element in the doc
17:13:51 <hober> MikeSmith: CP will advocate for removing this exception
17:14:00 <hober> MikeSmith: tentative resolution to endorse this CP
17:14:37 <hober> MikeSmith: TF asking steve to fix up the negative effects section
17:14:56 <hober> MikeSmith: also talked about revert request laura submitted yesterday
17:15:02 <hober> MikeSmith: no resolution
17:15:18 <hober> MikeSmith: a11y tf has a number of sub teams
17:15:33 <hober> MikeSmith: the bug triage team was quite active at the end of the year
17:15:47 <hober> MikeSmith: many bugs have been open for a long time in NEEDSINFO state
17:15:59 <hober> MikeSmith: some in NEEDSINFO for a year or more
17:16:33 <hober> MikeSmith: we're going to remind folk to supply requested information on these bugs
17:16:41 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/19-html-a11y-minutes.html
17:17:26 <hober> ???: a11y api mapping is coming along, would like feedback from test tf
17:17:54 <hober> MikeSmith: we have a sub team working on a implementors guide for a11y platform api mappings
17:17:56 <MikeSmith> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
17:18:07 <MikeSmith> s/???/Cynthia/
17:18:19 <MikeSmith> HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide: A user agent developer's guide to understanding and implementing accessibility support in HTML
17:18:23 <hober> Topic: Other Business
17:18:33 <hober> ISSUE-177?
17:18:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
17:18:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
17:18:59 <hober> krisk: are they looking for someone to write tests for the mapping doc?
17:19:11 <hober> MikeSmith: they'd like a conversation with you about this
17:19:37 <hober> paulc: ISSUE-177, re-issued call for input from Chairs
17:19:53 <hober> ... item is still pending, would like more feedback from wg members
17:20:57 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0132.html
17:21:33 <paulc> DP bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13263
17:21:48 <hober> ISSUE-30?
17:21:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
17:21:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
17:22:03 <hober> paulc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Jan/0231.html
17:22:22 <hober> paulc: mjs has given current status of this issue on the a11y list
17:22:47 <hober> paulc: chairs are continuing to work on finalizing their review of the cp
17:23:08 <hober> Topic: Revised Timeline and New Bug Priority Policy 
17:23:38 <hober> paulc: rich and the a11y tf have asked for the schedule to be revisited given upcoming events
17:23:45 <hober> paulc: chairs have replied
17:23:59 <hober> paulc: chairs would like to get a concrete proposal
17:24:23 <hober> paulc: it's hard to get others to respond without there being a concrete proposal on the table
17:24:36 <hober> paulc: laura's revert request
17:24:53 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0136.html
17:25:18 <hober> paulc: the chairs can't convene until early next week due to travel etc.
17:25:28 <paulc> The Chairs will process this request early next week when we can convene a meeting with all three co-chairs present.  
17:26:06 <hober> Topic: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
17:26:20 <hober> paulc: it's mjs's turn to chair next week
17:26:25 <hober> paulc: volunteers to scribe?
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17:26:38 <hober> paulc tentatively volunteers
17:27:43 <Zakim> +Rich
17:27:45 <hober> Topic: Revised Timeline and New Bug Priority Policy
17:28:27 <hober> paulc: summarizes previous conversation to rich
17:28:37 <hober> paulc: sam asked for a concrete proposal
17:28:44 <paulc> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0113.html
17:29:09 <paulc> "If you would like us to consider a change, making a concrete proposal "
17:29:35 <hober> richardschwerdtfe: my main justification is, if we have counter proposals, will we have time to address them in that 1 month period
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17:29:57 <hober> paulc: please respond to sam
17:30:00 <Zakim> -Clarke
17:30:22 <hober> paulc: would help to paramaterize, e.g. "if we get 10 CPs, we could use N weeks instead of 4 weeks"
17:30:27 <hober> richardschwerdtfe: sounds fair
17:30:30 <hober> Topic: Adjournment
17:30:48 <hober> paulc: we are adjourned
17:30:50 <Zakim> -Mike
17:30:52 <Zakim> -Rich
17:30:54 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
17:30:54 <Zakim> -krisk
17:30:54 <Zakim> -[Apple]
17:30:56 <Zakim> -Julian
17:30:57 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:31:04 <Zakim> -mjs
17:31:09 <hober> RRSAgent: generate minutes
17:31:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-html-wg-minutes.html hober
17:32:29 <hober> RRSAgent: make logs public
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18:35:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, [Microsoft], in HTML_WG()12:00PM
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18:35:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Julian, hober, paulc, Mike, krisk, Cynthia_Shelly, mjs, Radhika_Roy, Clarke, Rich
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19:56:52 <MikeSmith> issue-177?
19:56:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
19:56:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
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