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19:56:02 <Char> zakim, this will be aapi
19:56:02 <Zakim> ok, Char; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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19:59:08 <Char> zakim, who's here?
19:59:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.213.457.aaaa, Char
19:59:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Stevef, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, jkiss, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot
19:59:17 <Zakim> +??P4
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20:00:18 <Zakim> +??P4
20:00:26 <Char> zakim, aaaa is Stevef
20:00:26 <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
20:00:37 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:00:38 <Char> zakim, ??p4 is jkiss
20:00:38 <Zakim> +jkiss; got it
20:01:08 <Char> zakim, who's here?
20:01:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Stevef, Char, jkiss, [Microsoft]
20:01:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see Stevef, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, jkiss, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot
20:01:35 <cyns> cyns has joined #aapi
20:01:46 <Char> Scribe: Char
20:01:56 <Char> Meeting: AAPI
20:02:06 <Char> Chair: Cynthia Shelly
20:02:25 <Char> zakim, [microsoft] is cyns
20:02:25 <Zakim> +cyns; got it
20:02:32 <Char> zakim, who's here?
20:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Stevef, Char, jkiss, cyns
20:02:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see cyns, Stevef, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, jkiss, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot
20:03:06 <Char> Agenda sent out yesterday, cyns completed her action item (UIA mapping draft)
20:03:28 <Char> Topic: Overview
20:04:33 <Char> Jason has questions in the doc he's been working on that need to be filled in
20:05:11 <Char> Cynthia is doing the same thing; Jason will continue working on his doc
20:08:10 <Char> Stevef has no action items, but has been working on [xxx]. Striving for simplicity.
20:09:25 <Char> Stevef trying to be as precise as possible. Will need more explanation about underlying assumptions (without adding them to every step).
20:10:16 <Char> Cyns hopes that we can make algorithms as easy to understand as possible.
20:11:10 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
20:11:20 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
20:11:20 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
20:12:27 <Char> cyns working on UIA and MSAA. Sometimes, things can only be done in UIA (by adding stuff to MSAA). May need to reorganize columns.
20:18:41 <Char> Steve will make edits and then let us all know.
20:19:17 <Char> jkiss points out that the check box in Color State needs to come down a row. Stevef agrees.
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20:26:22 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:27:19 <Char> zakim, who's here?
20:27:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Stevef, Char, jkiss, cyns, David_Bolter, [Microsoft]
20:27:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see lweiss, cyns, Stevef, Zakim, RRSAgent, Char, jkiss, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot
20:27:29 <Char> zakim, [Microsoft] is lweiss
20:27:29 <Zakim> +lweiss; got it
20:28:42 <Char> Stevef would prefer not to specify composite controls in the table.
20:28:52 <Stevef> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#examples-sum
20:29:53 <Char> We should link from the table into the docs where the table starts to get too complex.
20:40:11 <Char> Discussion about expand v collapse; toggle states; differences between keyboard/screen readers/visual interpretations.
20:44:31 <Char> jkiss has contacted James Craig about Mac's accessility API and to look at page jkiss put together. No response yet.
20:51:11 <Char> Discussion about slider controls (and differences between various sliders)
20:52:08 <Char> Topic: Structures that don't match one-to-one
20:52:45 <Char> cyns is talking specifically about the tables in the docs and how we better make them accessible
20:53:12 <Char> And should the mapping stick closer to the DOM or to the specific browser's native behavior
20:53:34 <Char> Easier to keep it closer to the DOM, not necessarily better
20:54:37 <Char> lweiss says it may depend on "reasonable world expectations" (and what maintenance is required)
20:55:25 <Char> Problem is that if the browser gets it wrong, screen readers won't easily discern info
20:57:05 <Char> Column navigation really important on mobile devices
20:57:24 <Char> (err..."small touch devices" specifically)
20:58:35 <Char> going back: maybe table needs column for DOM? (trying to cover Google)
20:59:39 <Char> or...maybe direct DOM APIs don't belong in this doc (they're explained elsewhere)
21:01:19 <Char> No structure relations in Android...can't go up and down. Most of the work is going into the app.
21:03:16 <Char> action for stevef: Update accessible name calculations
21:03:16 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
21:03:28 <Char> action for stevef: work on script for posting bugs
21:03:28 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
21:03:40 <Zakim> -Stevef
21:04:00 <Char> continue working on Action items, we'll meet again next week
21:05:07 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
21:05:09 <Zakim> -jkiss
21:05:11 <Zakim> -cyns
21:05:12 <Char> Will talk about Char's stuff next week
21:05:13 <Zakim> -lweiss
21:05:16 <Char> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:05:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-aapi-minutes.html Char
21:05:31 <Zakim> -Char
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21:05:34 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.213.457.aaaa, Char, Stevef, jkiss, cyns, David_Bolter, lweiss
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