19:44:12 RRSAgent has joined #au 19:44:12 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-au-irc 19:44:19 Zakim, this will be AUWG 19:44:19 ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 16 minutes 19:44:25 Meeting: WAI AU 19:53:27 AlastairC has joined #au 19:54:25 Agenda: /me Hi AlastairC 19:57:12 Regrets: Cherie E. 19:58:35 jeanne has joined #au 20:00:43 ALso the WAI-AU site is down 20:00:56 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 20:01:04 +??P6 20:01:07 +??P0 20:01:20 +[Microsoft] 20:02:02 +Jeanne 20:02:02 zakim, [Microsoft] is really Alex 20:02:03 +Alex; got it 20:02:30 zakim, who's making noise? 20:02:40 Jan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (90%), Alex (15%) 20:02:54 zakim, P0 is really Jan 20:02:54 sorry, Jan, I do not recognize a party named 'P0' 20:02:59 zakim, ??P0 is really Jan 20:02:59 +Jan; got it 20:03:09 zakim, ??P6 is really Alastair 20:03:09 +Alastair; got it 20:03:39 +??P15 20:03:53 zakim, ??P15 is really Andrew 20:03:53 +Andrew; got it 20:04:52 andrewronksley has joined #au 20:05:24 +[IPcaller] 20:06:00 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jutta 20:06:00 +Jutta; got it 20:06:08 zakim, who's here? 20:06:08 On the phone I see Alastair, Jan, Alex, Jeanne, Andrew, Jutta 20:06:10 On IRC I see andrewronksley, jeanne, AlastairC, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, trackbot 20:06:22 agenda+ Consider remaining comment responses for approval 20:06:39 agenda+ draft text re: the "accessible content" issue 20:07:06 +Sueann 20:07:56 +Greg 20:09:05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/0014.html 20:09:44 Jutta has joined #au 20:09:44 Sueann has joined #au 20:10:14 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/0014.html 20:11:20 +Tim_Boland 20:12:19 Alessandro_Miele has joined #au 20:12:40 zakim, take up item 1 20:12:41 agendum 1. "Consider remaining comment responses for approval" taken up [from jeanne] 20:13:37 +[IPcaller] 20:14:20 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Alessandro 20:14:20 +Alessandro; got it 20:14:49 Response to MS2: AUWG: The conformance model has been completely overhauled to address this issue. In particular, a new Partial Conformance category has been added " when an authoring tool would require additional tools or components in order to conform as a complete authoring system. This option may be used for components with very limited functionality (e.g. a plug-in) up to nearly... 20:14:51 ...complete systems (e.g. a markup editor that only lacks accessibility checking functionality)." [DRAFT-TEXT]@@ 20:15:04 Comment repsonses: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/att-0012/ATAG2-21July2011PublicWD-CommentResponses-rev20120117.html 20:15:35 Greg has joined #au 20:15:47 Topic: Approving comment responses (MS2) 20:16:11 Resolution: All approve draft response to MS2 20:16:23 Topic: Approving comment responses (MS12) 20:16:27 Resolution: All approve draft response to MS12 20:16:49 Topic: Approving comment responses (MS1) 20:16:58 AUWG: The defintion of automatically generated content has been reworked: 20:17:00 "content generation (content authoring, content editing) The act of specifying the actual web content that will be rendered, played or executed by the end user's user agent. While the precise details of how content is created in any given system may vary widely, responsibility for the generation of content can be any combination of the following: 20:17:01 - author generated content: Web content for which authors are fully responsible. The author may only be responsible down to a particular level (e.g., when asked to type a text label, the author is responsible for the text, but not for how the label is marked up; when typing markup in a source editing-view, the author is not responsible for the fact that UNICODE is used to encode the text ). 20:17:03 - automatically generated content: Web content for which developer-programmed functionality is fully responsible (e.g., what markup to output when an author requests to start a new document, automatically correcting markup errors). 20:17:05 - third-party content generation: Web content foe which a third-party author is responsible (e.g., community shared templates)." 20:17:33 GP: foe->for 20:17:44 JR: Will check in MASTER 20:17:58 Resolution: All approve draft response to MS1 20:18:07 Topic: Approving comment responses (MS7) 20:18:44 AUWG:An example of AAA alternative content in WCAG 2.0 is "1.2.6 Sign Language (Prerecorded)". There is a table of informative examples in the new draft. 20:21:56 content transformations 20:21:57 Processes that take content in one web content technology or non-web content technology (e.g., a word processing format) as input and produce content that has been optimized, restructured or recoded: Optimizing Content Transformations: Transformations in which the content technology is not changed and the structural features of the content technology that are employed also stay the same.... 20:21:59 ...Changes would not be expected to result in information loss (e.g., removing whitespace, replacing in-line styles with an external stylesheet). 20:22:00 Restructuring Content Transformations: Transformations in which the content technology stays the same, but the structural features of the technology used to markup the content are changed (e.g., linearizing tables, splitting a document into pages. 20:22:02 Recoding Content Transformations: Transformations in which the content technology used to encode the content is changed (e.g., HTML to XHTML, a word processing format to HTML). 20:24:19 AUWG:The definitions of the different types of transformations now appear in the glossary under "Content Transformation".We have re-examined the concept of Accessibility Information and have included atable of informative examples in the new draft Implementing Document. This table also included the Level of the various types of accessibility information, which do range from A to AAA (e.g.... 20:24:20 ...sign language for 1.2.6 Sign Language (Prerecorded) is AAA 20:25:01 AUWG:The definitions of the different types of transformations now appear in the glossary under "Content Transformation".We have re-examined the concept of Accessibility Information and have included a table of informative examples in the new draft Implementing Document. This table also includes the Level of the various types of accessibility information, which do range from A to AAA (e.g.... 20:25:03 ...sign language for 1.2.6 Sign Language (Prerecorded) is AAA 20:26:15 B.1.2.1 Restructuring and Recoding Transformations (WCAG): 20:26:16 If the authoring tool provides restructuring transformations or re-coding transformations, then at least one of the following is true: (Level A to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A success criteria; Level AA to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A and AA success criteria; Level AAA to meet all WCAG 2.0 success criteria) 20:26:18 (a) Preserve: Accessibility information (WCAG) is preserved in the output; or 20:26:19 (b) Warning: Authors have the default option to be warned that accessibility information may be lost (e.g., when saving a vector graphic into a raster image format); or 20:26:21 (c) Automatic Checking: After the transformation, accessibility checking is automatically performed; or 20:26:22 (d) Checking Suggested: After the transformation, the authoring tool prompts authors to perform accessibility checking. 20:26:24 Note: This success criteria only applies to transformations in which the output technology is an "included" technology for conformance. 20:27:39 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ED-ATAG20-20120113/#sc_b121 20:30:04 Resolution: All approve draft response to MS7 "AUWG:The definitions of the different types of transformations now appear in the glossary under "Content Transformation".We have re-examined the concept of Accessibility Information and have included a table of informative examples in the new draft Implementing Document. This table also includes the Level of the various types of accessibility... 20:30:05 ...information, which do range from A to AAA (e.g. sign language for 1.2.6 Sign Language (Prerecorded) is AAA" 20:30:22 Topic: Approving comment responses (MS9a) 20:31:04 MS9a: B.1.2 How does this apply to something like a copy and paste operation from a rich text editor to a plain text editor where structural info will be lost? Who is supposed to tell the author that the structure is gone? Please explain how the SC applies to copy-and-paste or cut-and-paste operations? 20:31:10 AUWG: In these cases, a warning each time would not be a very friendly interface. Instead, a developer might choose to offer option (a), (c) or (d). 20:33:55 My reading of the "If the authoring tool provides restructuring transformations or re-coding transformations" does not apply to copy-paste (an OS feature) 20:41:17 It seems that a workflow level (i.e. check at the end of an authoring session) would be a more suitable place for checking after copy-paste. 20:43:49 Alex: This SC should be ok in Save As situations...leaving aside copy paste 20:44:55 Action JR: Create proposal for B.1.2.1 Restructuring and Recoding Transformations around handling copy-paste 20:44:56 Created ACTION-372 - Create proposal for B.1.2.1 Restructuring and Recoding Transformations around handling copy-paste [on Jan Richards - due 2012-01-30]. 20:45:12 Topic: Approving comment responses (MS8) 20:45:20 The term is merely renamed "web content properties related to accessibility information" which is still undefined or at least ill defined. 20:45:28 AUWG:This will be better defined by the informative table of examples that is being added for Accessibility Information. [DRAFT-TEXT]@@ 20:46:14 -Tim_Boland 20:47:39 -Sueann 20:48:59 Resolution: All approve draft response to MS8 20:49:57 zakim, take up next agenda 20:49:57 agendum 2. "draft text re: the "accessible content" issue" taken up [from jeanne] 20:50:00 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/0014.html 20:53:12 -Jeanne 20:53:59 +Jeanne 20:55:13 I'm strongly in favour of keeping the document as simple and readable as possible, so I agree with Jan's proposal, which is *much* better than continually referencing WCAG. 21:00:30 JT: Given that we are out of time, can people mull this over? 21:01:39 -Jutta 21:01:43 -Alastair 21:01:45 -Andrew 21:01:47 -Jan 21:01:48 AlastairC has left #au 21:01:49 -Alessandro 21:01:53 -Alex 21:02:01 -Greg 21:02:04 -Jeanne 21:02:05 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended 21:02:07 RRSAgent, make minutes 21:02:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-au-minutes.html Jan 21:02:09 Attendees were Jeanne, Alex, Jan, Alastair, Andrew, Jutta, Sueann, Greg, Tim_Boland, Alessandro 21:02:14 RRSAgent, set logs public 21:02:19 Zakim, bye 21:02:23 Zakim has left #au 21:02:23 RRSAgent, bye 21:02:23 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-au-actions.rdf : 21:02:23 ACTION: JR to Create proposal for B.1.2.1 Restructuring and Recoding Transformations around handling copy-paste [1] 21:02:23 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-au-irc#T20-44-55