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14:52:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:52:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:52:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:52:41 <trackbot> Date: 18 January 2012
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14:55:25 <fjh> trackbot, start telecconference
14:55:25 <trackbot> Sorry, fjh, I don't understand 'trackbot, start telecconference'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:55:34 <fjh> trackbot, start
14:55:34 <trackbot> Sorry, fjh, I don't understand 'trackbot, start'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:56:32 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jan/0015.html
14:56:55 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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14:57:07 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:57:23 <ernesto_jimenez> Present+ Ernesto_Jimenez
14:58:31 <fjh> Regrets+ Claes_Nilsson, Niklas_Widell, Dave_Raggett
14:58:38 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:58:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/18-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:58:55 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:58:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.206.973.aaaa
14:58:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, ernesto_jimenez, darobin, richt, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, lgombos, ilkka, rektide, trackbot, mounir, dom
14:59:35 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:59:50 <fjh> s/trackbot, start telecconference//
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15:00:20 <dom> Zakim, ??P9 is me 
15:00:20 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:00:28 <fjh> s|Sorry, fjh, I don't understand 'trackbot, start telecconference'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help||
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15:00:42 <fjh> s|Sorry, member:fjh, I don't understand 'member:trackbot, start'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help||
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15:00:57 <dom> Present+ Dominique Hazael-Massieux
15:00:59 <soonho> soonho has joined #dap
15:01:00 <ernesto_jimenez> zakim, aaaa is me
15:01:00 <Zakim> +ernesto_jimenez; got it
15:01:17 <Zakim> +GlennAdams
15:02:00 <soonho> Present+ Soonho_Lee
15:02:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:12 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:17 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:02:17 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:02:21 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:02:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see ernesto_jimenez, dom, +82.10.31.28.aabb, GlennAdams, fjh, [Microsoft]
15:02:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see soonho, glenn, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, ernesto_jimenez, darobin, richt, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, lgombos, ilkka, rektide, trackbot, mounir, dom
15:02:49 <soonho> zakim, aabb is soonho
15:02:49 <Zakim> +soonho; got it
15:03:12 <Travis> Travis has joined #dap
15:03:26 <Travis> Present+ Travis_Leithead
15:03:57 <glenn> zakim, who's noisy?
15:04:07 <Zakim> glenn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ernesto_jimenez (5%), dom (54%)
15:04:20 <glenn> zakim, mute dom
15:04:21 <Zakim> dom should now be muted
15:04:27 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:04:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see ernesto_jimenez, dom (muted), soonho, GlennAdams, fjh, [Microsoft]
15:04:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Travis, soonho, glenn, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, ernesto_jimenez, darobin, richt, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, lgombos, ilkka, rektide, trackbot, mounir, dom
15:05:02 <glenn> zakim, unmute dom
15:05:09 <Zakim> dom should no longer be muted
15:05:28 <Travis> Zakim, [Microsoft] is Travis
15:05:37 <Zakim> +Travis; got it
15:05:43 <Zakim> + +33.1.43.14.aacc
15:05:52 <darobin> Zakim, aacc is me
15:05:52 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
15:06:02 <Zakim> -darobin
15:07:02 <Zakim> +darobin
15:07:14 <Travis> Topic: Administrative
15:07:21 <glenn> someone else
15:07:30 <Travis> scribe: Travis
15:07:33 <fjh> s/someone else//
15:07:45 <Travis> fjh: Any announcements?
15:07:50 <Travis> [none]
15:08:12 <Travis> fjh: Approve last teleconference minutes
15:08:28 <Travis> Topic: Approve last Teleconference minutes
15:08:28 <fjh> Approve minutes from 4 January 2012
15:08:29 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jan/att-0007/minutes-2012-01-04.html
15:08:36 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 4 January 2012 are approved.
15:08:52 <Travis> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 4 January 2012 are approved.
15:09:08 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
15:09:18 <Travis> Topic: March F2F
15:09:25 <fjh> Status of visa invitation letters, venue?
15:09:25 <fjh> WebIntents task force meeting at DAP F2F, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jan/0011.html
15:09:40 <Zakim> + +1.781.534.aadd
15:09:54 <Travis> fjh: Still need to get the Visa stuff straightened out...
15:10:02 <Travis> ... and about the passports.
15:10:13 <Travis> ... I expect to have a lot of folks calling in.
15:10:18 <Travis> Topic: Vibration API
15:10:27 <fjh> Response from Robin re invalid parameter handling via WebIDL: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jan/0012.html
15:10:27 <fjh> Plans to bring Vibration API to Last Call?
15:10:27 <Travis> fjh: Do we want to bring this to Last Call?
15:10:35 <Zakim> +richt
15:10:45 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
15:10:58 <Travis> darobin: Suggest putting out CFC for last call.
15:11:01 <Travis> ... I'll do it.
15:11:06 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to put out a CfC for Vibration, ending next week
15:11:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-498 - Put out a CfC for Vibration, ending next week [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-01-25].
15:11:16 <Travis> Topic: Battery API status
15:11:25 <fjh> Status of Last Call comments (including proposal for changes from Anne) : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jan/0014.html
15:11:47 <Travis> fjh: Looking over list for status.
15:11:49 <fjh> LC-2574 (Additional proposal to consider) "events need to be queued using the task queue defined in HTML5
15:12:02 <Travis> ... AVK had a suggestion on event Queueing
15:12:09 <fjh> LC-2577 (Proposal needed), no way to distinguish whether battery present
15:12:14 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:12:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see ernesto_jimenez, dom, soonho, GlennAdams, fjh, Travis, darobin, Josh_Soref, +1.781.534.aadd, richt
15:12:15 <Travis> ... another issue was detecting if battery was present.
15:12:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Travis, soonho, glenn, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, ernesto_jimenez, darobin, richt, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, lgombos, ilkka, rektide, trackbot, mounir, dom
15:12:26 <Travis> ... I think we should resolve that issue on the list.
15:12:49 <Travis> Action: fjh to send closure notice on battery issue.
15:12:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-499 - Send closure notice on battery issue. [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-01-25].
15:13:06 <Travis> Topic: Device Status TF
15:13:20 <Travis> fjh: I'm a little confused about the Network information API...?
15:13:37 <Travis> fjh: I'm a little confused about the Bearer type.
15:13:46 <Travis> ... Seems like we should provide that.
15:14:06 <Travis> darobin: current feedback is that there are a few use-cases where it might be useful, but are better addressed by a new proposal.
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15:14:33 <Travis> ... the new proposal has fewer fingerprinting issues. I understand we'd adopt the newer model (not that much more complex).
15:14:42 <timeless> rrsagent, draft minutes 
15:14:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/18-dap-minutes.html timeless
15:14:47 <Travis> ... There were some examples of the API being used in poor ways (in the wild).
15:15:05 <Travis> ... General consensus seems to be dropping the old API and adopting the new one.
15:15:18 <Travis> ... And also we now have a volunteer to edit the new version.
15:15:31 <Travis> fjh: Web page looks outdated...
15:15:54 <Travis> darobin: Next step is for munir to upload the new draft.
15:16:05 <fjh> s/munir/mounir/
15:16:06 <darobin> ACTION: Mounir to upload a new draft of Network Information API
15:16:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Mounir
15:16:39 <Travis> Topic: Media Capture TF
15:17:32 <fjh> Travis has updated the scenarios document and has additional feedback
15:17:42 <fjh> poll for teleconference is out
15:17:58 <mounir> timeless: no but there are discussions about this
15:18:16 <Travis> Topic: Web Intents
15:18:42 <darobin> close ACTION-498
15:18:42 <trackbot> ACTION-498 Put out a CfC for Vibration, ending next week closed
15:18:50 <timeless> s/this/mozilla joining dap/
15:19:04 <Travis> fjh: Work continues in that TF. No updates to discuss at the moment.
15:19:42 <glenn> q+
15:19:46 <Travis> darobin: For minimization, I'm going to take over for dan Applequist; expand it to cover API design and privacy.
15:20:04 <Travis> ... looking for feedback/input from folks here as well.
15:20:06 <darobin> ack glenn 
15:20:26 <Travis> glenn: Congratulations on joining the TAG, darobin
15:20:39 <Travis> ... Am willing to help on the minimization work if needed.
15:20:45 <Travis> darobin: Thanks!
15:21:16 <Travis> ... We should figure out the priority action items and develop a plan to move them forward.
15:21:20 <fjh> Please review your actions at http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
15:22:01 <timeless> i/take over/Topic: darobin - something/
15:22:08 <timeless> rrsagent, draft minutes 
15:22:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/18-dap-minutes.html timeless
15:22:26 <Travis> The poll for Media Capture TF (select a time to have a telecom): > http://www.doodle.com/ymg3facibzaeg2bt
15:22:39 <darobin> [you can also use https://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/AuditForm to see what you're subscribed to]
15:22:53 <Travis> (Yeah the minutes will need cleaning up...)
15:23:30 <fjh> q?
15:23:30 <Travis> fjh: Anyone else?
15:23:41 <Travis> fjh: Adjourning.
15:23:45 <Zakim> -dom
15:23:48 <Zakim> - +1.781.534.aadd
15:23:50 <Zakim> -ernesto_jimenez
15:23:52 <Zakim> -fjh
15:23:52 <Zakim> -soonho
15:23:53 <Zakim> -darobin
15:23:55 <Zakim> -GlennAdams
15:23:57 <Zakim> -Travis
15:24:05 <Zakim> -richt
15:24:25 <timeless> trackbot, end meeting 
15:24:25 <trackbot> Sorry, timeless, I don't understand 'trackbot, end meeting '. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:25:15 <timeless> trackbot, end meeting
15:25:15 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:25:15 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.206.973.aaaa, dom, +82.10.31.28.aabb, ernesto_jimenez, GlennAdams, fjh, soonho, Travis, +33.1.43.14.aacc, darobin, Josh_Soref,
15:25:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:25:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/18-dap-minutes.html trackbot