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17:04:23 <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:04:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see +49.251.280.aaaa, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], +1.415.595.aabb, Radhika_Roy, GlennAdams
17:04:30 <glenn> zakim, who is noisy?
17:04:34 <paulc> zakim, who is making noise?
17:04:36 <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
17:04:36 <Zakim> +Julian; got it
17:04:38 <eliot> zakim, microsoft has me
17:04:38 <Zakim> +eliot; got it
17:04:39 <mjs> Zakim: +1.415.595.aabb is me
17:04:41 <Zakim> glenn, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: +49.251.280.aaaa (39%)
17:04:45 <Julian> Zakim, mute me
17:04:45 <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
17:04:52 <Zakim> paulc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Julian (19%)
17:05:02 <paulc> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:05:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian (muted), [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], +1.415.595.aabb, Radhika_Roy, GlennAdams
17:05:05 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has eliot
17:05:13 <eliot> did not
17:05:37 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
17:05:37 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
17:06:04 <Zakim> +??P15
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17:06:34 <janina> zakim, who's here?
17:06:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian (muted), [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], +1.415.595.aabb, Radhika_Roy, GlennAdams, ??P15
17:06:37 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has paulc
17:06:37 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has eliot
17:06:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, RRSAgent, Zakim, paulc, MFoladare, glenn, mjs, eliot, Julian, krisk, tH, heycam|away, webben, miketaylr, Lachy, dveditz, davidb, danielfilho, plh, MikeSmith,
17:06:44 <Zakim> ... ArtB, nonge_, krijnh, arronei, gavin_, tantek, shepazu, Dashiva, Jedi, CIA-1, rektide, hiro, hober, hsivonen, ed, paul___irish, johndrinkwater, trackbot, slightlyoff, pingo,
17:06:47 <Zakim> ... Hixie, inimino, Philip, jgraham, [tm], jmb
17:06:53 <janina> zakim, ??P15 is Janina_Sajka
17:06:53 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
17:06:58 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:07:13 <mjs> Julian, still willing to scribe?
17:07:33 <Julian> mjs, no - did I say so?
17:07:57 <mjs> Julian: I may have misunderstood - right after I asked for a volunteer you said "once I can tell Zakim!"
17:08:34 <paulc> We can hear you.
17:09:14 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
17:09:14 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:09:14 <mjs> scribenick: mjs
17:09:15 <Zakim> +Mike
17:09:32 <Zakim> +tantek
17:09:35 <mjs> ACTION-207?
17:09:35 <trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active -- due 2011-01-05 -- OPEN
17:09:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207
17:10:03 <mjs> topic: New Issues This Week
17:10:09 <paulc> ACTION-207 is due next week
17:10:15 <mjs> MS: none
17:10:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
17:10:41 <mjs> MS: 3 tracker requsts: http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
17:10:48 <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
17:10:48 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
17:10:50 <mjs> topic: Items Closed Last Week
17:10:55 <mjs> MS: none
17:11:03 <mjs> topic: Items Closing This Week
17:11:21 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-189 uri-web-prefix
17:11:22 <mjs> ISSUE-189?
17:11:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- raised
17:11:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
17:11:23 <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.aa is krisk
17:11:23 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
17:11:52 <mjs> topic: Items Closing Next Week
17:12:20 <mjs> MS:  ISSUE-187: validity-stability extended til Jan 21
17:12:25 <mjs> ISSUE-187?
17:12:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- raised
17:12:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
17:12:43 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-190: coding-example, due Jan 21
17:12:48 <mjs> ISSUE-190?
17:12:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- raised
17:12:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
17:13:04 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-191: ins-del due Jan 21
17:13:08 <mjs> ISSUE-191?
17:13:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- raised
17:13:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
17:13:22 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-192: title-attribute due Jan 21
17:13:25 <mjs> ISSUE-192?
17:13:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- raised
17:13:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
17:13:34 <mjs> MS: due Jan 21
17:15:16 <mjs> CS: (inquires about nature of Jan 21)
17:15:25 <mjs> MS: see the issue description
17:15:35 <mjs> CS: Steve is probably going to send something
17:15:45 <mjs> JS: and he will probably have task force backing
17:15:51 <mjs> Topic: New Calls this week
17:16:10 <mjs> MS: quite a few this week
17:16:21 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-180: allowpopups, Call for Consensus closes Jan 18
17:16:51 <mjs> ISSUE-180?
17:16:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
17:16:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
17:16:57 <mjs>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0037.html
17:17:13 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-179: av_param, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals closes Feb 11
17:17:18 <mjs> ISSUE-179?
17:17:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
17:17:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
17:17:40 <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0045.html
17:17:57 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-181: remove-sidebar, Call for Consensus closes Jan 18
17:18:07 <mjs> ISSUE-181?
17:18:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
17:18:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
17:18:08 <mjs>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0038.html
17:18:22 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-172: restore-rb, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals closes Feb 11
17:18:35 <mjs> ISSUE-172?
17:18:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised
17:18:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
17:18:36 <mjs>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0039.html
17:19:03 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-183: enhance-time, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals closes Feb 11
17:19:26 <mjs> ISSUE-183?
17:19:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
17:19:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
17:19:27 <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0047.html
17:20:05 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-184: data-element, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals closes Feb 11
17:20:15 <mjs> ISSUE-184?
17:20:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
17:20:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
17:20:21 <mjs>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0042.html
17:20:55 <tantek> aside: I've worked to resolve differeing opinions on ISSUE-183 and don't know of any outstanding alternate opinions on it - if anyone does, please let me know so we can attempt include that in the consensus.
17:21:42 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-185: drop-pubdate, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals closes Feb 11
17:21:52 <mjs> ISSUE-185?
17:21:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
17:21:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
17:22:22 <mjs>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0040.html
17:22:38 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-131: caret-location-API, Call for Proposals closes Feb 11
17:22:43 <mjs> ISSUE-131?
17:22:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
17:22:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
17:22:51 <mjs>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0041.html
17:23:54 <mjs> MS: clock is ticking
17:23:57 <mjs> MS: any questions?
17:24:05 <mjs> JS: in last week's TF call we discussed 131
17:24:14 <mjs> JS: we will have a CP from the TF, Steve Faulkner will be the editor
17:24:31 <mjs> MS: thanks; any other qustions?
17:24:37 <mjs> topic:  New Surveys this week
17:24:45 <mjs> MS: None
17:24:48 <mjs> topic: Decisions this week
17:24:56 <mjs> MS: ISSUE-182: footnote-recommendation, Closed Without Prejudice
17:26:29 <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0049.html
17:26:47 <mjs> MS: closed without prejudice means you can reopen it just by submitting a Change Proposal
17:27:02 <mjs> MS: any questions?
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17:27:18 <mjs> Topic: Task Force Reports
17:27:26 <mjs> MS: testing task force?
17:27:32 <mjs> KK: I'm here
17:27:40 <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Jan/0001.html
17:27:41 <mjs> KK: we met as planned last week
17:27:52 <mjs> KK: meet again this coming week on normal schedule
17:27:58 <mjs> KK: there were some offline app cache tests
17:28:05 <mjs> KK: that's one big thing
17:28:09 <krisk> offline appcache tests are in HG  http://test.w3.org/html/tests/submission/Infraware/
17:28:19 <mjs> KK: more bidi tests submitted
17:28:22 <krisk> http://test.w3.org/html/tests/submission/html5bidi/
17:28:50 <mjs> MS: accessibility task force?
17:28:57 <mjs> JS: accessibility TF has been busy
17:29:29 <mjs> JS: decided on approach w/ Steve F as editor
17:29:40 <mjs> JS: the rest of our attention is on 100+ bugs; deciding which we need to escalate
17:29:46 <mjs> JS: expect as many as 5 more escalations
17:30:09 <mjs> JS: one more meeting planned to categorize
17:30:26 <mjs> JS: will relate various bugs that are related
17:30:37 <mjs> JS: trying to organize the issues and combine related bugs
17:30:40 <janina> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-html-a11y-minutes.html
17:30:53 <mjs> JS: text sub team met this week
17:31:04 <mjs> JS: several issues were discussed; talked about title
17:31:13 <mjs> JS: you can expect a meta generator request to reconsider next week
17:31:22 <mjs> JS: great interest and concern to respond to longdesc
17:31:36 <mjs> JS: that's it
17:31:50 <mjs> MS: any questions or comments about task force reports?
17:32:03 <mjs> topic: Other Business
17:32:22 <mjs> topic: Scribe for Next Meeting
17:32:52 <glenn> i can volunteer
17:33:13 <mjs> topic: Adjournment
17:34:50 <mjs> RRSAgent, generate minute
17:34:50 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'generate minute', mjs.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:34:50 <Zakim> - +1.415.595.aabb
17:34:51 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
17:34:51 <Zakim> -Mike
17:34:53 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
17:34:53 <Zakim> -Julian
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17:34:55 <Zakim> -krisk
17:34:55 <tantek> bye!
17:34:57 <Zakim> -GlennAdams
17:34:58 <mjs> RRSAgent, generate minutes
17:34:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-html-wg-minutes.html mjs
17:34:59 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:35:00 <Zakim> -tantek
17:35:04 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:35:18 <mjs> RRSAgent, make minutes public
17:35:18 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', mjs.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:35:20 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
17:35:21 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:35:23 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.415.595.aabb, Radhika_Roy, GlennAdams, Julian, eliot, paulc, Janina_Sajka, Cynthia_Shelly, Mike, tantek, [Microsoft], krisk
17:36:27 <mjs> RRSAgent, publish minutes
17:36:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-html-wg-minutes.html mjs
17:37:20 <mjs> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
17:37:25 <mjs> RRSAgent, publish minutes
17:37:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-html-wg-minutes.html mjs
17:37:47 <mjs> I'm getting a permissions error on http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-html-wg-minutes.html , is anyone else having better luck?
17:37:54 <mjs> ah, there we go
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