14:59:55 RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:59:55 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-gld-irc 14:59:57 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:59:58 Zakim has joined #gld 14:59:59 Zakim, this will be GLD 14:59:59 ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 15:00:00 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 15:00:00 Date: 12 January 2012 15:00:12 + +1.703.860.aabb 15:00:21 +mhausenblas 15:00:24 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 15:00:25 +sandro 15:00:25 BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 15:00:26 cygri has joined #gld 15:00:42 Zakim, cygri is with me 15:00:42 +cygri; got it 15:00:44 zakim, who's here? 15:00:44 On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.267.481.aaaa, BenediktKaempgen, +1.703.860.aabb, mhausenblas, sandro 15:00:46 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 15:00:51 On IRC I see cygri, BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, RRSAgent, fadmaa, LuisBemudez, Cory, mhausenblas, George, MacTed, bhyland1, trackbot, sandro 15:00:59 rreck has joined #GLD 15:01:17 +davidwood 15:01:27 hello david 15:01:42 zakim, davidwood is me 15:01:44 +bhyland1; got it 15:01:53 + +0525616aacc 15:02:00 Zakim, I am aabb 15:02:01 +Cory; got it 15:02:30 I can scribe George 15:02:38 whew 15:02:43 Zakim +1.267.481.aaaa 15:02:49 Zakim, aacc is fadmaa 15:02:49 +fadmaa; got it 15:03:08 Scribe: bhyland 15:03:20 +rreck 15:03:28 +??P48 15:03:28 zakim, mute me 15:03:29 rreck should now be muted 15:03:34 Zakim, I am aaaa 15:03:34 +LuisBemudez; got it 15:03:36 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 15:03:36 Zakim, ??p48 is me 15:03:36 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 15:03:48 zakim, mute me 15:03:48 fadmaa should now be muted 15:03:49 gatemezi has joined #gld 15:04:04 George, the minutes from last week don't look linked? 15:04:18 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-01-05 404's 15:04:43 +MikePendleton 15:04:44 we found them after the meeting 15:04:51 + +91.80.49.06.aadd 15:05:07 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-05 15:05:34 +HadleyBeeman 15:05:47 hi everyone! 15:05:52 Hi! 15:06:17 can you provide a link? 15:06:21 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2#Agenda 15:06:29 Cory has left #gld 15:06:30 Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld 15:06:47 Cory has joined #gld 15:07:13 q+ 15:07:19 @george - did you want to review/approve minutes from last week & tracker actions? 15:07:32 can you provide a link to the minutes? 15:07:34 Biplav has joined #gld 15:07:57 q? 15:08:00 Yigal has joined #gld 15:08:04 rreck, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-05 (but they need more cleanup) 15:08:11 + +1.202.691.aaee 15:08:30 DanG has joined #gld 15:08:30 ok, that is the link i posted 15:08:54 zakim, who's here? 15:08:55 On the phone I see George_Thomas, LuisBemudez, BenediktKaempgen, Cory, mhausenblas, sandro, bhyland1, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, MikePendleton, 15:08:59 Topic: F2F2 Agenda 15:08:59 ... +91.80.49.06.aadd, HadleyBeeman, +1.202.691.aaee 15:09:02 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 15:09:04 On IRC I see DanG, Yigal, Biplav, Cory, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, rreck, cygri, BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, RRSAgent, fadmaa, LuisBemudez, mhausenblas, 15:09:07 ... George, MacTed, bhyland1, trackbot, sandro 15:09:07 +[IPcaller] 15:09:14 bhyland1: 30 mins likely all that's required for CD 15:09:29 zakim, IPcaller is me 15:09:29 +Yigal; got it 15:09:38 ack mhausenblas 15:09:54 mhausenblas 15:10:37 Topic: F2F Planning 15:11:31 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary 15:11:37 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/bcb72f87b5cc/bp/index.html 15:11:55 mhausenblas: sync wiki and editors draft 15:14:44 +1 best to create slides, to help make sure everyone can get up to speed 15:15:05 (don't assume everyone is up on every topic. :-) 15:15:25 Discussed: Produce slides to highlight deliverables & plan to speak to slides for not more than 10 minutes. 15:15:25 +1 to slides… also makes it easier to catch up if you miss part of the discussion 15:15:44 Please link PDF version of slides to the F2F page 15:16:03 (please don't assume people can use powerpoint.) 15:16:18 People are also welcome to point to URL on slidy or slideshare. 15:16:20 Yep, pointers on the F2F page are good. 15:16:53 +raphael 15:16:54 You can link to an attachment in the WG email archives... 15:16:59 Michael: slideshare or PDF as attachment on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2 would be good 15:17:06 hmm 15:18:06 RE: Timeframes, is 45 min to cover each topic OK? 15:18:34 Michael: Next week I'm at risk for the telecon, so I'll likely have my stuff (slides + HG sync) ready by 2012-01-23 CoB 15:18:44 it is a start 15:18:59 +1 intial time requirements 15:19:59 +1 for a extra break 15:20:30 q? 15:20:33 i dont see a lunch break 15:20:38 Given the amount of time we're covering, three breaks is better, I think. 15:22:37 Let's come back to food & supply thereof (sponsorship) 15:23:40 Bernadette - Do you want to bring food into BLS for breakfast and breaks? 15:25:32 +provide advice. it think this topic (URI construction) is critical 15:26:37 i would like to see documentation of examples, rather that the usual geek only abstract discussion 15:26:43 +q 15:26:47 Topic: Relative importance of URI construction and persistence strategy for linked data sets 15:26:51 q? 15:26:59 +q 15:27:04 zakim, unmute me 15:27:04 rreck should no longer be muted 15:27:04 ack BartvanLeeuwen 15:27:32 @Dan - let's come back to the discussion of providing food. We have to determine what is provided by hosts versus requires sponsorships for food. 15:28:23 From our charter re: URI Construction: 15:28:23 URI Construction. The group will specify how to create good URIs for use in government linked data. Inputs include http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/, http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/media/308995/public_sector_uri.pdf, and http://data.gov.uk/resources/uris. Guidance will be produced not only for minting URIs for governmental entities, such as schools or agencies, but also for vocabularies, concepts, and datasets. 15:28:30 q+ 15:28:35 Does anyone read persistence into this deliverable?> 15:28:38 ack rreck 15:29:23 ack me 15:29:23 rreck: Would like to make W3C published documentation emphasize concrete guidance. Much of the specs published are hard to read. 15:29:28 ack mhausenblas 15:29:31 [[ This document is aimed at assisting government agencies and their contractors, vendors as well as researchers, to publish high quality, consistent data sets using W3C standards to increase interoperability. ]] 15:29:50 +1 rreck 15:29:51 @rreck - much of the W3C specs are for implementors of products and protocols, I think. 15:29:58 +1 audience 15:30:09 +1 15:30:19 I can help provide that kind of 'eye' 15:30:19 mhausenblas: asks for gld 'non-techies' to apply a critical eye and lookout for geek talk wrt deliverable highlight 15:30:26 Happy to have a look. 15:30:34 (with a non-techie hat on) 15:30:35 q? 15:32:35 i think we need to schedule reviewers who are not technical to comment 15:32:40 RE: W3C policy on re: recommendations & specs. 15:33:02 in the overall schedule not the f2f 15:33:10 q? 15:33:13 Sandro: There is no specific policy beyond WG members coming up with the most appropriate language & recommendations. 15:33:45 Have to go, bye! 15:33:52 bye cory 15:34:32 how do we provide that information to you? 15:34:58 DanG: US attendees must register in ADVANCE of their attendance. 15:35:26 DanG: Is use of Internet email important to be people? The port for Internet email may be blocked. 15:35:41 q+ to say we need port 6665 15:35:43 DanG: I cannot guarantee that we can open all ports for everybody. 15:35:54 q+ 15:36:33 Current list of attendees to US location (for security access) 15:36:35 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2#Expected_in_person_.E2.80.93_Washington.2C_DC 15:37:18 i just did 15:37:38 -Cory 15:37:47 ack cygri 15:37:47 cygri, you wanted to say we need port 6665 15:37:49 People MUST write "confirmed" next to their name for US physical attendance. 15:37:51 I need ports: 22 6665 6667 80 443 15:38:06 Topic: Logistics for US site 15:38:10 @ Dan - I'm confirmed on the wiki now 15:38:32 Port 6665 for IRC cannot be opened per DanG. 15:39:05 If you tunnel into your office, possibly it will work. 15:39:24 q? 15:39:31 ack bhyland1 15:40:02 DanG suggested IRC thru the W3C web site. 15:40:10 Port 22 is needed for ssh, very important. 15:40:34 RE: video access, we need wired ethernet. 15:42:26 DanG: Having a wired ethernet would be difficult ... 15:43:22 DanG, skype should work if that port works on the ethernet machine 15:44:34 DanG: We have a machine set up for skype, he will try to get it for the F2F. 15:46:19 s/We have/BLS has 15:46:40 i would guess it is unlikely to have ssh ports open 15:47:16 i bet teamviewer would work 15:48:02 +1 bhyland1 to DanG :) 15:48:22 Summary: DanG will check on port 22 access and we the potential for a skype machine on a wired connection. 15:48:48 You are making Dan feel better Michael :) 15:49:22 DERI has a deri guest account that people can use with proper auth. Main ports needed will be opened. Will try to get one machine on wired ethernet to facilitate skype. 15:50:02 RE: Food / beverages 15:50:31 There is a cafeteria that can cater food but we have to pay for it. 15:50:49 arent we across the street from Union Station? 15:52:39 me too 15:53:08 Any parties/companies willing to fund tea breaks and luncheon? 15:53:25 DERI is covered. 15:53:57 i wont be allowed to bring guinness 15:54:06 q? 15:54:21 ack bhyland 15:54:50 The fee is a decent idea! 15:54:57 Sandro suggested we charge a small fee like $40 to cover food & beverage, that happens sometimes. 15:55:35 (or... that's a possibility, if no one is sponsoring, and we dont want to talk the time to walk to Union Station during the breaks) 15:56:36 i cant make it that early. maybe on the second day 15:56:59 +1 minutes 15:58:38 q? 15:58:42 q? 15:58:52 Action: Sandro agree to clean up unknown references for Mike Pendleton's name in last week's minutes, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-05 15:58:53 Created ACTION-28 - Agree to clean up unknown references for Mike Pendleton's name in last week's minutes, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-05 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-01-19]. 15:58:56 @ Dan G - can you provide directions on how to get to the venue in BLS 15:58:57 i am meeting with Anne tomorrow morning at 10 15:59:00 zakim, who is on the call 15:59:03 I don't understand 'who is on the call', bhyland1 15:59:15 zakim, who is on the call? 15:59:17 On the phone I see George_Thomas, LuisBemudez, BenediktKaempgen, mhausenblas, sandro, bhyland1, fadmaa (muted), rreck, BartvanLeeuwen, MikePendleton, +91.80.49.06.aadd, 15:59:20 ... HadleyBeeman, +1.202.691.aaee, Yigal, raphael 15:59:22 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 15:59:46 zakim, aadd is biplav 15:59:46 +biplav; got it 15:59:48 -biplav 16:00:02 zakim, who is on the call? 16:00:02 On the phone I see George_Thomas, LuisBemudez, BenediktKaempgen, mhausenblas, sandro, bhyland1, fadmaa (muted), rreck, BartvanLeeuwen, MikePendleton, HadleyBeeman, +1.202.691.aaee, 16:00:04 ... Yigal, raphael 16:00:09 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 16:00:21 regrets from mhausenblas for next week. 16:00:22 bhyland: thanks for scribing 16:00:23 thanks all! 16:00:29 Thanks!! 16:00:36 thanks bye 16:00:41 bye, thanks 16:00:45 -MikePendleton 16:00:45 bubye 16:00:49 -fadmaa 16:00:51 -HadleyBeeman 16:00:53 - +1.202.691.aaee 16:00:55 -mhausenblas 16:00:57 -sandro 16:00:59 -raphael 16:01:05 -BartvanLeeuwen 16:01:07 -bhyland1 16:01:09 -BenediktKaempgen 16:01:09 Yigal has left #gld 16:01:11 -LuisBemudez 16:01:13 -Yigal 16:01:18 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 16:01:27 RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:01:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-gld-minutes.html bhyland1 16:01:44 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 16:05:06 -rreck 16:05:08 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 16:05:10 Attendees were George_Thomas, fadmaa, +1.267.481.aaaa, BenediktKaempgen, +1.703.860.aabb, mhausenblas, sandro, cygri, bhyland1, +0525616aacc, Cory, rreck, LuisBemudez, 16:05:13 ... BartvanLeeuwen, MikePendleton, +91.80.49.06.aadd, HadleyBeeman, +1.202.691.aaee, Yigal, raphael, biplav 16:11:14 Minutes published, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-12 16:20:55 @sandro - we seem to have same naming issue as we had with Mike Pendleton in past minutes, happening today with Luis Bermudez. Does this have to do with something at the participants list level?? 16:21:24 @sandro Clearly Luis' name is disambiguated. 17:33:25 cygri has joined #gld 18:29:03 Zakim has left #gld