IRC log of er on 2012-01-11

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Zakim, this will be 3794
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 11 January 2012
13:27:59 [shadi]
chair: Shadi
13:28:32 [shadi]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2012Jan/0001.html
13:29:19 [shadi]
agenda+ Status-check on EARL 1.0 drafts
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agenda+ Status-check on EARL 1.0 test suites
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agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
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zakim, call shadi-617
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ok, shadi; the call is being made
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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+Shadi
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+??P10
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+Christophe_Strobbe
13:34:25 [shadi]
zakim, ??p10 is philipA
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+philipA; got it
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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:35:47 [shadi]
scribe: cstrobbe
13:35:54 [shadi]
agenda?
13:36:21 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Status-check on EARL 1.0 drafts" taken up [from shadi]
13:36:54 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011Dec/0000.html
13:38:02 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: There have also been some exchanges on the DOAP mailing list.
13:38:38 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: No significant issues from that side.
13:39:44 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20111205
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20111205
13:40:15 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Schema and Guide: new drafts dated 5 December.
13:40:41 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: You can recognise the same terms in the Schema and the Guide, but the Guide has more examples, as requested by commenters.
13:41:16 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: more context around the schema; the Schema itself should remain short, e.g. to allow people to quickly look up definitions.
13:41:29 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Anyone looked at these drafts?
13:42:25 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Can people have a look at it this week? Schema: changes are mostly editorial. See also the list of issues in the agenda. So you don't need to do a very detailed review.
13:43:13 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Guide has been updated to section 3.2.
13:43:16 [shadi]
Guide until section 3.2
13:44:41 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Guide: look at approach and tone. Look at section 3.1 and 3.2 more for the approach.
13:45:10 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 2. "Status-check on EARL 1.0 test suites" taken up [from shadi]
13:45:24 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/tests/
13:46:10 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Talked about test suites before the holiday break. See the current list at http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/tests/
13:46:30 [shadi]
http://w3c-test.org/framework/
13:47:09 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Separately, in the WAI-ACT project, we are looking at the accessibility support database and looking to reusing the W3C test framework.
13:47:26 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Fraunhofer team looking at W3C test framework.
13:48:01 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Test framework possibly more geared towards browser-based specs rather than EARL (RDF).
13:48:35 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: WG will later need to decide about installing an instance of this framework or another tool.
13:49:23 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Question to participants: look into your respective projects / implementations to see if you have test files that can be submitted.
13:49:34 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/tests/test0003.rdf
13:50:01 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: test 0003 has an error
13:50:18 [cstrobbe]
CS: corrected version available in mailing list archive.
13:50:51 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: developers check that they can output EARL; other tools check if they can consume EARL.
13:52:46 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Feed the tools with different types of input to get different types of output; so, ideally not created by hand.
13:53:16 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: some manual tweaking may be necessary, e.g. no reports for existing websites (replace with example.org)
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SAZ: Timeline?
13:54:26 [cstrobbe]
CV: Most realistic time period is February.
13:55:46 [cstrobbe]
CS: EARL reports can be created right away, but need to check whether all required data are included, e.g. identification of the tool.
13:56:21 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Some variability is OK; 50 EARL reports that have the same structure is not very interesting.
13:56:39 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Every test file would need to demonstrate a different use of EARL.
13:57:32 [cstrobbe]
CS: Timeline: probably starting middle of next week.
13:57:49 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Will also contact Kostas for files from the ACCESSIBLE tools.
13:58:39 [cstrobbe]
CV: Vangelis looking into test harness etc. Maybe also applicable here.
13:59:16 [shadi]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/testframework/
14:03:06 [cstrobbe]
SAZ: Focus should currently be on producing EARL tests rather than finding a tool.
14:05:56 [Zakim]
-Christophe_Strobbe
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-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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-Shadi
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-philipA
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, philipA, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/11-er-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items