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16:00:09 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
16:00:09 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
16:00:09 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012JanMar/0001.html
16:00:09 <ArtB> Date: 10 January 2012
16:00:09 <ArtB> Chair: Art
16:00:10 <ArtB> Meeting: Web Events WG Voice Conference
16:00:21 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log public
16:01:02 <Zakim> +Art_Barstow
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16:01:52 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
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16:02:08 <ArtB> zakim, aabb is Suman
16:02:29 <Zakim> +??P4
16:02:33 <Zakim> +Suman; got it
16:02:37 <smaug> Zakim, ??P4 is Olli_Pettay
16:02:43 <ArtB> Present: Art_Barstow, Matt_Brubeck, Doug_Schepers, Suman_Sharma, Olli_Pettay
16:02:54 <mbrubeck> Zakim, who is here?
16:03:09 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
16:03:22 <ArtB> Regrets: Cathy_Chan
16:03:23 <smaug> Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
16:03:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Matt_Brubeck, Art_Barstow, Doug_Schepers, Suman, Olli_Pettay
16:03:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see ssharma2, RRSAgent, Zakim, ArtB, smaug, mbrubeck, trackbot, Josh_Soref, shepazu
16:03:53 <Zakim> ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay
16:04:14 <mbrubeck> Zakim, nick ssharma2 is Suman
16:04:19 <Zakim> ok, mbrubeck, I now associate ssharma2 with Suman
16:04:39 <ArtB> Topic: Tweak Agenda
16:04:45 <ArtB> AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012JanMar/0001.html. Cathy sent regrets and asked that her topic be deferred. We won't do a deep dive but I'll take some general comments.
16:05:10 <ArtB> AB: any other change requests?
16:05:18 <ArtB> Topic: Announcements
16:05:23 <ArtB> AB: any short announcements for today?
16:05:38 <ArtB> Topic: Status of PAG re Apple's patent disclosures for Touch Events v1 spec
16:05:46 <ArtB> AB: Doug, what is the status of the PAG for Apple's patent disclosures http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/45559/status#current-disclosures?
16:06:06 <ArtB> DS: we are discussing timing for the PAG
16:06:15 <ArtB> … I think we need to start a PAG
16:06:25 <ArtB> … think it will be started before the end of the month
16:06:30 <ArtB> … perhaps within a week or two
16:07:17 <ArtB> AB: any questions for Doug?
16:09:43 <shepazu> q+
16:10:08 <mbrubeck> q+
16:10:13 <shepazu> q-
16:10:19 <shepazu> q+
16:14:57 <Josh_Soref> present- Josh_Soref 
16:15:07 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:15:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-webevents-minutes.html Josh_Soref
16:16:27 <mbrubeck> http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/WebCore/WebCore-7533.20.24/dom/TouchEvent.idl
16:18:49 <ArtB> DS: it is possible for us to use a different touch model e.g. what Microsoft implemented
16:19:06 <ArtB> AB: there is also a proposal that Sangwhan said he would submit
16:20:26 <ArtB> DS: are other people open to the idea of using a different model?
16:20:42 <ArtB> … want to know if people would change their implementation
16:20:59 <ArtB> MB: I think we would be open to implementing another model
16:21:18 <ArtB> … I think the question is whether there would be other mobile vendors that would use it
16:22:08 <ArtB> OP: which windows model are you referring to Doug?
16:22:13 <ArtB> DS: WP 7
16:22:37 <ArtB> AB: yes, we would be interested in looking at other models
16:22:56 <ArtB> … having a RF standard for touch events is really important for the OWP
16:24:15 <ArtB> … Perhaps the PAG will ask the WG for alternate proposals
16:24:39 <ArtB> DS: I don't think the PAG should make such a request because it kinda means they have ruled the patents are applicable
16:24:50 <ArtB> … I think the WG should look for alternatives
16:24:54 <ArtB> AB: yes, good point
16:25:34 <ArtB> … is there an action for you or me or someone else?
16:25:44 <ArtB> DS: I think everyone should ask internally about this
16:25:49 <ArtB> AB: I agree
16:28:37 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:28:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-webevents-minutes.html ArtB
16:30:32 <ArtB> Topic: Strawman Touch Event proposal
16:30:39 <ArtB> AB: Sangwhan said he would submit an alternate Touch Event proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0151.html
16:30:54 <ArtB> AB: we won't discuss this today since Sanghwan isn't here
16:31:02 <ArtB> Topic: Touch events test assertions
16:31:07 <ArtB> AB: On December 21, Cathy announced http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0158.html her 1st draft at test assertions for the TEv1 spec http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TestAssertions
16:31:16 <ArtB> AB: I don't want to do a deep dive today without Cathy present but we can take some general comments
16:31:49 <ArtB> AB: I haven't looked at Cathy's work in detail
16:31:59 <smaug> "503 Service Unavailable"
16:33:19 <ArtB> Topic: Test directory structure
16:33:26 <ArtB> AB: in December, I proposed we follow the test directory structure used by WebAppsWG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0160.html. Our scenario is a little bit different because we are using the webevents Hg root http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents for both specs and tests, whereas WebApps only puts tests in its Hg root http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webapps and its specs have their own Hg root.
16:34:02 <ArtB> AB: any comments on the proposed structure?
16:34:13 <ArtB> MB: looks OK to me
16:34:23 <ArtB> OP: OK
16:34:36 <ArtB> DS: looks fine to me
16:35:01 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow implement the testing directory structure proposed in December
16:35:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Implement the testing directory structure proposed in December [on Arthur Barstow - due 2012-01-17].
16:35:10 <ArtB> Topic: AoB
16:35:19 <ArtB> AB: any other topics for today?
16:36:07 <ArtB> AB: what's that status on the IndieUI WG charter, Doug?
16:36:29 <ArtB> … it would be good to start work on the Intentional Events spec
16:37:01 <ArtB> DS: I'm not sure but will look into it
16:37:12 <ArtB> … and I'll send an update to the list
16:37:17 <ArtB> AB: excellent
16:37:36 <ArtB> DS: I agree with Art that it would be good to get something going on that spec
16:37:47 <ArtB> AB: let's plan to have a call next week
16:38:03 <ArtB> … and I'll cancel if there aren't sufficient topics
16:38:15 <ArtB> DS: are we still going on with tests or waiting for the PAG?
16:38:30 <ArtB> AB: one topic for next week is Cathy's test assertion table
16:38:51 <ArtB> … and I presume that should give us a better sense of the set of tests needed for the TEv1 spec
16:39:04 <ArtB> … So, I think we should continue with tests
16:39:11 <ArtB> DS: yeah (agree)
16:39:23 <ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned
16:39:34 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
16:39:36 <Zakim> -Suman
16:39:38 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:39:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-webevents-minutes.html ArtB
16:39:44 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
16:39:46 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
16:39:47 <Zakim> -Matt_Brubeck
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16:39:50 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.206.792.aaaa, Matt_Brubeck, Art_Barstow, Doug_Schepers, +1.408.653.aabb, Suman, Olli_Pettay
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