14:19:52 RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:19:52 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/05-gld-irc 14:19:54 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:19:54 Zakim has joined #gld 14:19:56 Zakim, this will be GLD 14:19:56 ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 41 minutes 14:19:57 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 14:19:57 Date: 05 January 2012 14:23:37 bhyland has joined #gld 14:30:33 scribe:MikeP 14:33:56 #GLDWG 14:35:21 raphael has joined #gld 14:35:41 Chair: Bernadette Hyland 14:36:26 MacTed has joined #gld 14:45:12 correction - Chair: George Thomas 14:50:11 bhyland has joined #gld 14:51:14 fadmaa has joined #gld 14:51:27 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started 14:51:34 + +1.202.566.aaaa 14:51:57 Chair: George Thomas 14:52:29 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 14:52:46 olyerickson has joined #gld 14:53:11 Hi all. Happy new year! 14:53:30 ScribeNick:Mike_P 14:53:39 @All: Happy New Year 14:53:44 rreck has joined #GLD 14:53:46 Hi. happy new year! 14:53:50 :) 14:55:03 chair: gthomas 14:55:22 +George_Thomas 14:55:28 + +3539149aabb 14:55:37 + +1.218.296.aacc 14:55:48 ZacharyWhitley has joined #gld 14:56:02 zakim, +1.218.296.aacc is me 14:56:02 +rreck; got it 14:56:04 George has joined #gld 14:56:08 zakim, mute me 14:56:08 rreck should now be muted 14:56:42 Zakim, +353914 is fadi 14:56:42 +fadi; got it 14:56:50 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105 14:57:04 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 14:57:10 hi all 14:57:12 Zakim, +353914 is fadmaa 14:57:12 sorry, fadmaa, I do not recognize a party named '+353914' 14:57:20 + +1.440.389.aadd 14:57:22 Zakim, fadi is fadmaa 14:57:22 +fadmaa; got it 14:57:25 GeraldSteeman has joined #GLD 14:57:26 hi all. George will be chairing today. I'm on IRC only. 14:57:34 zakim, aadd is me 14:57:34 +HadleyBeeman; got it 14:57:57 that is the one i forget to do 14:58:18 +??P12 14:58:21 you want to be sure 14:58:22 annew has joined #gld 14:58:30 Zakim, ??P12 is me 14:58:30 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:58:38 hi anne 14:58:46 + +1.757.604.aaee 14:58:47 Meeting 14:58:53 yo Mr stability! 14:59:01 anything but 14:59:07 +??P17 14:59:24 Agenda: 14:59:25 Zakim, P17 is me. 14:59:26 sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named 'P17' 14:59:27 Zakim, I'm aaee 14:59:28 I don't understand 'I'm aaee', GeraldSteeman 14:59:40 Zakim, ?p17 is me. 14:59:40 sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '?p17' 14:59:47 Zakim, aaee is me. 14:59:48 +GeraldSteeman; got it 15:00:05 zakim needs to support more than one way to do things 15:00:08 correct meeting agenda URL is http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105 15:00:09 zakim, ??p17 is me. 15:00:09 +olyerickson; got it 15:00:10 +sandro 15:00:21 +raphael 15:00:27 RRSAgent, pointer? 15:00:27 See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/05-gld-irc#T15-00-27 15:00:31 + +49.721.aaff 15:00:32 Zakim, who is on the call? 15:00:32 On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, raphael, +49.721.aaff 15:00:33 zakim, who is on the phone 15:00:35 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', olyerickson 15:00:50 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:00:54 + +1.267.481.aagg 15:01:02 On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, raphael (muted), +49.721.aaff, 15:01:05 ... +1.267.481.aagg (muted) 15:01:10 Present+ raphael 15:01:13 BermudezLuis has joined #gld 15:01:17 Regrets+ Ghislain 15:01:46 Zakim, who is talking? 15:01:47 George Thomas to chair today 15:01:52 zakim, aaff is BenediktKaempgen 15:02:01 zakim, aaaa is George 15:02:05 tgheen has joined #gld 15:02:21 +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:02:27 sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 12 (60%), +1.202.566.aaaa (47%) 15:02:35 +George; got it 15:03:03 hearing it also 15:03:04 yes i hear it too 15:03:08 I hear a noise as well 15:03:09 +[LC] 15:03:09 zakim, mute me. 15:03:10 sandro, +1 for sound 15:03:10 it is noise cancelation 15:03:27 Hi 15:03:29 Zakim, [LC] is me 15:03:31 olyerickson should now be muted 15:03:42 I don't think it's me 15:03:48 DruidSmith has joined #gld 15:03:53 +tgheen; got it 15:03:57 i am familiar but the solution is non-trivial 15:04:06 Zakim, mute me 15:04:07 i am double muted also 15:04:15 BartvanLeeuwen should now be muted 15:04:34 + +1.202.566.aahh 15:04:44 Zakim, aahh is me 15:04:53 +DruidSmith; got it 15:04:54 zakim, George is MikePendleton 15:04:55 +MikePendleton; got it 15:05:06 + +1.443.569.aaii 15:05:21 Proposal to accept minutes? 15:05:26 Comments? 15:05:30 Accepted 15:05:30 +1 15:05:34 zakim, who's here? 15:05:34 On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted), 15:05:38 +1 15:05:38 +1 15:05:38 ... BenediktKaempgen (muted), +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii 15:05:44 On IRC I see DruidSmith, tgheen, BermudezLuis, annew, GeraldSteeman, BartvanLeeuwen, George, ZacharyWhitley, rreck, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, bhyland, MacTed, raphael, 15:05:46 ... Zakim, RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, danbri, trackbot, sandro 15:05:50 TOPIC: Minutes Accepted 15:06:24 No updates from me... 15:06:40 I am improved the stability section but it is not complete 15:06:45 s/am/have 15:07:18 new AND improved 15:07:36 TOPIC: Procurement 15:08:06 there's nothing to improve upon 15:08:18 zakim, who's here? 15:08:18 On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted), 15:08:23 ... BenediktKaempgen (muted), +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii 15:08:26 On IRC I see tgheen, BermudezLuis, annew, GeraldSteeman, BartvanLeeuwen, George, ZacharyWhitley, rreck, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, bhyland, MacTed, raphael, Zakim, 15:08:30 ... RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, danbri, trackbot, sandro 15:08:51 Mike_Pendleton: procurement - overview of LD, evolution of data mgmt practices, community dir 15:09:40 DaveReynolds has joined #gld 15:09:48 ... segments - Activities (5 areas); Services; Products - describe characteristics of S&P per activity 15:10:12 zakim, who is speaking? 15:10:23 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MikePendleton (84%), George_Thomas (21%) 15:10:35 I'm not sure when this is time to discuss this, but the Linked Enterprise Data patterns workshop report has been released, http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/Report and that there is an explicit mention of potential overalp with this group and its deliverables 15:10:51 MikePendleton, This sounds thorough and useful! I'll be keen to see it. 15:10:55 DruidSmith_ has joined #gld 15:11:32 q+ 15:12:24 Sandro: save as htm from doc, then use tidy, tool chain to facilitate getting good results for wiki review by GLD members 15:12:37 ... may be easier to recreate by hand 15:13:10 My internet connection appears to be hosed as well 15:13:15 q? 15:13:48 ack HadleyBeeman 15:14:50 ack me 15:15:14 Mike has joined #gld 15:15:23 test 15:15:28 ack Mike 15:15:29 DruidSmith has joined #gld 15:16:11 stasinos has joined #gld 15:16:36 Workshop Homepage here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/ 15:16:49 +??P44 15:17:17 Zakim, ??p44 is me 15:17:17 +annew; got it 15:17:24 Report page here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/Report 15:17:26 +[IPcaller] 15:17:40 Comments from Raphael on LD Enterprise Workshop - recommended LD Platform Workgroup; concern about overlap with GLD; recommend liason to deal to with that 15:18:06 The report says: "In doing so it will be important to analyze any possible overlaps with the new Government Linked Data Working Group and suggest mitigating measures if appropriate." 15:18:14 http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/basic-profile-linked-data/ 15:18:17 Sandro: Areas of overlap unclear; focus not on publishing for others to consume; but on applications exposing their data 15:18:22 a 'basic profile' for linked data 15:19:40 Sandro: suggest joint tast force to address major overlaps 15:20:22 q? 15:21:27 George: We will work to determine how best to work with the procurement piece from a technology perspective 15:21:46 unmute 15:21:52 zakim, unmute 15:21:52 I don't understand 'unmute', olyerickson 15:21:58 help 15:22:05 zakim, unmute me. 15:22:05 olyerickson should no longer be muted 15:24:39 Having tech issues hearing 15:25:18 the current version of dcat is at: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference 15:26:08 Not yet 15:26:37 One of my actions is to do some eiki work on that 15:26:47 Fadi: Person, Org work ongoing wrt semic.eu 15:27:38 zakim, please mute me. 15:27:38 olyerickson should now be muted 15:28:42 anne you can go 15:28:44 yep 15:28:49 zakim, unmute me 15:28:49 rreck should no longer be muted 15:29:15 Topic: Stability 15:29:36 annew: collaborating with rreck with some brainstorming 15:29:42 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary#2.2.5_Stability 15:30:00 rreck: revamped input into secondary page from above 15:30:48 Ron and Ann on Stability BPs - brainstorming and will take next steps next week; framing for indicators of stability for a project 15:30:58 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Stability 15:31:02 annew: write up key indicators of stability - interested in GLD member comments from their experiences 15:31:06 zakim, mute me 15:31:06 rreck should now be muted 15:31:07 ... in the F2F2 15:31:15 when is the f2f again? 15:31:18 link please 15:31:35 Topic: schedule and milestone review 15:31:45 Yes looking for comments during F2F on whether these ideas of stability will work with other best practices 15:32:05 Sandro: lets focus on being productive for F2F 15:32:23 Topic: F2F 15:32:30 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2 15:32:48 Request for general questions 15:33:20 it is two days? 15:33:23 yes 15:33:52 brutal 15:33:59 Discuss co-location issue 15:34:03 "brutal"? 15:34:18 commuting in DC is brutal at least for me 15:34:36 Dan has confirmed 7 a.m. EST start time 15:34:50 rreck, then by all means do what the charter/consensus/group decision says and commute to Ireland! :-) 15:35:00 great point 15:35:24 How might break-out groups work give co-location? 15:37:56 The door to BLS is exactly across the street from the Union Station metro stop... for those who have brutal 15:38:16 Sandro on breakouts - US people could end at 3 formally, but stay around longer 15:39:17 George: Suggest a dry run on the call before the meeting to see if it works logistically 15:39:24 +1 to peple listed 15:40:04 i thought leading a discussion more than a presentation 15:40:13 Suggestion: put the names *in* the agenda section 15:40:34 George: Request each person describe what they will be presenting/discussing (time reqd, issues/questions raised) on the wiki page 15:40:58 Sandro: Want to get the presentation/discussion to lead us to consensus 15:41:08 consensus design = what are the questions? and know enough to make a decision.. ? 15:41:33 q? 15:42:51 George: Questions about topics you will be leading/presenting? 15:42:52 No questions (at this time...) 15:43:15 -annew 15:44:17 George: Two more calls before the F2F: next week review updates; next week we could do a dry run 15:44:38 George: Other input for F2F planning today? 15:44:44 None 15:45:24 George: Let's open this up 15:45:30 oh bother with the audio...still on chat... 15:45:41 @bhyland yes I am from DERI 15:45:46 annew, can you rejoin? 15:45:49 i am 15:45:55 zakim, unmute me 15:45:55 rreck should no longer be muted 15:45:56 sure 15:45:58 one sec 15:46:00 Sandro: Want to here more about Ron and Anne's work 15:46:32 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Stability 15:47:34 rreck: cost benefit considerations 15:50:58 Ron: Overaching concept is that data has value, value reduced by costs in consuming it - looking at attributes that affect cost in using the data; trying to break down costs and show what helps reduce costs. Push modification of legacy data upstrean so that it did not have ot recure. ex: Turtle uses least disk space, easy for people to read vs. machine readabilty of other serializations: 15:51:23 zakim, who is on the call? 15:51:23 On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck, HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted), 15:51:26 ... BenediktKaempgen, +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii, [IPcaller] 15:51:36 zakim, mute me 15:51:36 rreck should now be muted 15:51:55 George: Did anyone get a chance to look a provenance? 15:51:58 q? 15:52:08 RE Provenance new releases: Link? 15:53:01 I had a quick review of them and found them interesting for us in LinkedGov… but not with the GLD in mind. (Sorry) 15:53:43 Links to recent PROV-WG drafts http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.22 (from their recent minutes) 15:54:43 George and Sandro to look into AV tech for the F2F 15:54:59 zakim, unmute me 15:54:59 rreck should no longer be muted 15:55:10 The PROV Model Primer is the most interesting document for a first approach 15:55:13 ... see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/primer/fpwd/Primer.html 15:55:27 George: Other considerations? 15:55:49 q+ 15:56:05 ack HadleyBeeman 15:56:21 anne's gotta go. good summary ron on stability! 15:56:26 bye 15:56:38 HadleyBeeman: agenda section to address liason/overlap activity checklist suggested 15:56:47 Hadley: Might help to consider at each meeting to go over overlap from other groups (ex: provenance, e-gov) 15:57:00 -DruidSmith 15:57:14 Thanks as always, George! 15:57:25 - +1.443.569.aaii 15:57:27 -GeraldSteeman 15:57:28 Thanks 15:57:30 Here's to productivity... 15:57:30 bye 15:57:31 -tgheen 15:57:32 thanks, bye 15:57:33 -sandro 15:57:37 -HadleyBeeman 15:57:38 -fadmaa 15:57:43 -BartvanLeeuwen 15:57:47 -raphael 15:57:49 -olyerickson 15:57:51 -[IPcaller] 15:57:53 -BenediktKaempgen 15:57:55 - +1.267.481.aagg 15:57:58 zakim, unmute me 15:57:58 rreck was not muted, rreck 15:58:05 olyerickson has left #gld 15:58:32 Scribe: 15:58:37 Scribe: Mike 15:58:48 i dont think you need them 15:58:50 HadleyBeeman has left #gld 15:59:27 DaveReynolds has left #gld 15:59:28 scribe: Mike 16:00:33 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 16:00:47 RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:00:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/05-gld-minutes.html George 16:04:40 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-05 16:08:49 -rreck 16:10:55 -MikePendleton 16:10:56 -George_Thomas 16:10:56 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 16:10:58 Attendees were +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, +3539149aabb, rreck, +1.440.389.aadd, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.757.604.aaee, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, 16:11:04 ... raphael, +49.721.aaff, +1.267.481.aagg, BenediktKaempgen, tgheen, +1.202.566.aahh, DruidSmith, MikePendleton, +1.443.569.aaii, annew, [IPcaller] 17:22:14 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 18:16:50 Zakim has left #gld 18:32:14 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 20:08:33 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 20:09:39 HadleyBeeman has left #gld