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20:55:10 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
20:55:10 <trackbot> Date: 04 January 2012
20:55:20 <ChrisL> Chair: Vlad
20:55:25 <ChrisL> Scribe: Chris
20:55:36 <ChrisL> ScribeNick: ChrisL
20:56:26 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2012Jan/0003.html
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20:59:41 <ChrisL> Hello Vlad, Happy New Year
20:59:53 <Vlad> Happy New Year!
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21:00:52 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
21:00:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.970.aaaa, ChrisL, +44.845.397.aabb
21:00:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see jfkthame, Vlad, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, sergeym, trackbot
21:00:58 <Vlad> zakim, aaaa is me
21:00:58 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it
21:01:08 <ChrisL> zakim,aabb is jfkthame
21:01:08 <Zakim> +jfkthame; got it
21:01:08 <jfkthame> zakim, aabb is me
21:01:09 <Zakim> sorry, jfkthame, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
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21:02:15 <ChrisL> zakim,aacc is cslye
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21:02:49 <ChrisL> zakim,aadd is tal
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21:02:56 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
21:02:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vlad, ChrisL, jfkthame, cslye, tal
21:02:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see cslye, jfkthame, Vlad, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, sergeym, trackbot
21:03:34 <ChrisL> Topic: Happy New Year
21:03:48 <ChrisL> Vlad: kicking off the new year withsome housekeeping
21:03:59 <ChrisL> Topic: WOFF spec edits
21:04:17 <ChrisL> Vlad: jfkthame just emailed with somenew edits- not reviewed them yet
21:04:21 <cslye> Is everyone getting a lot of noise on the phone, or is that just me?
21:04:36 <ChrisL> jfkthame:removed the stuff about SOR now coveredby CSS3 Fonts
21:05:04 <ChrisL> action-107?
21:05:04 <trackbot> ACTION-107 -- Jonathan Kew to - WOFF spec edit, remove SOR and CORS identified as features at risk -- due 2011-11-23 -- OPEN
21:05:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/107
21:05:40 <ChrisL> Vlad: have the edits to CSS3 Fonts een moved to a bublished WD?
21:05:46 <ChrisL> jfkthame:assume that is the plan
21:06:01 <ChrisL> jfkthame: we should update sotd
21:06:28 <ChrisL> ... not CR any more. and some edits relative to CR
21:06:35 <ChrisL> ChrisL:willupdate
21:08:12 <ChrisL> Vlad: (asks about publishing an updateed CR)
21:08:39 <ChrisL> jfkthame: edited status to say its not the CR anymore
21:08:52 <ChrisL> jfkthame: also removed the CORS feature at risk
21:09:03 <ChrisL> close action-107
21:09:04 <trackbot> ACTION-107 - WOFF spec edit, remove SOR and CORS identified as features at risk closed
21:09:11 <ChrisL> Vlad: action-108?
21:09:20 <ChrisL> action-108?
21:09:20 <trackbot> ACTION-108 -- Jonathan Kew to - WOFF spec edit, update normative reference section -- due 2011-11-23 -- OPEN
21:09:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/108
21:09:27 <ChrisL> jfkthame: also did that
21:09:32 <ChrisL> close action-108
21:09:32 <trackbot> ACTION-108 - WOFF spec edit, update normative reference section closed
21:09:40 <ChrisL> Topic: Actions
21:09:50 <ChrisL> action-103?
21:09:50 <trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Chris Lilley to fix metadata* results for free passes -- due 2011-09-20 -- OPEN
21:09:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/103
21:10:21 <Zakim> -tal
21:10:28 <ChrisL> ChrisL: in progress, needs root access to the test suite server
21:10:39 <ChrisL> action-104?
21:10:39 <trackbot> ACTION-104 -- Chris Lilley to check on unicorn integration of the woff validator -- due 2011-09-20 -- OPEN
21:10:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/104
21:10:48 <Zakim> +tal
21:10:54 <ChrisL> ChrisL: is that on myself or Tal?
21:11:05 <ChrisL> Vlad: discussed in Rejkjavik
21:11:42 <ChrisL> tal: chris was going to checkfor more documentation as the existig stuff is overmy head
21:12:21 <ChrisL> ChrisL: should I set up a 1:1call with the Unicorn folks?
21:12:26 <ChrisL> tal: yes please
21:12:45 <ChrisL> action:chris to set up a unicorn call for tal
21:13:02 <ChrisL> action: chris to set up a unicorn call for tal
21:13:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Set up a unicorn call for tal [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-01-11].
21:13:11 <ChrisL> action-106?
21:13:11 <trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Chris Lilley to run authoring tools against the at-tests and make report -- due 2011-09-20 -- OPEN
21:13:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/106
21:13:27 <ChrisL> done - see http://w3c-test.org/framework/results/woff-at/
21:13:56 <ChrisL> ChrisL:sfnt2woff fails on one.
21:14:23 <ChrisL> jfkthame: have fixed code but not packaged it - want to re-run tests to check for regressions
21:15:27 <ChrisL> ChrisL: fontforge fails all tests becauzse of a checksum error
21:15:36 <ChrisL> jfkthame: pointer to bug report?
21:15:54 <ChrisL> ChrisL: will post after the call
21:16:04 <ChrisL> jfkthame: would be interwsted to take a look
21:16:53 <ChrisL> ChrisL: tal can we share the emailwhere you looked into this?
21:16:58 <ChrisL> tal: (checks)
21:17:16 <ChrisL> ... ok
21:17:30 <ChrisL> ua results http://w3c-test.org/framework/results/woff-ua/
21:17:59 <ChrisL> ChrisL:all browsers fail the overlap tests and the extraneous data tests
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21:18:44 <ChrisL> ChrisL: ought to be fixed,may be a security issue
21:18:56 <ChrisL> jfkthame: nota serious error butshould be fixed
21:19:24 <ChrisL> Vlad: there were also some metadata processing errors - can those be fixed as well?
21:19:51 <ChrisL> jfkthame: unlikely to fix as the firefox addon is just a proof of concept and it does not enforce the schema.
21:19:58 <ChrisL> ... no validation
21:21:00 <ChrisL> ChrisL: we need two implementations for displaying metadata
21:21:09 <ChrisL> Vlad: its an optional feature
21:21:27 <ChrisL> ... not displaying is a pass but partial display is a fail
21:23:29 <ChrisL> ChrisL: maybe a chrome addon for a second one. or an ie addon using xsd. or add checking using xpath or selectors
21:24:15 <ChrisL> jfkthame: or something that uses a browser code to make a command line processor that reads the metadata and makes an html page - command line or whatever
21:24:34 <ChrisL> ... could use whatever python or perl could do that - but I'm not an xml wizard
21:25:16 <ChrisL> Tal: could add this to the validator
21:25:30 <ChrisL> ... would only display if valid
21:25:56 <ChrisL> ChrisL: is there a relaxng for python?
21:26:22 <ChrisL> Tal:nope. But the woff validator already does this! so this is doable
21:27:14 <ChrisL> Tal: would this count?
21:27:18 <ChrisL> ChrisL: yes
21:27:59 <ChrisL> action: tal to add woff metadata display to woff validator
21:28:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Add woff metadata display to woff validator [on Tal Leming - due 2012-01-11].
21:29:01 <ChrisL> ChrisL: who in each browser deals with this code?
21:29:24 <ChrisL> jfkthame: we now use the google otf decoder so thatis where the bugs are
21:29:39 <ChrisL> Vlad: who is doing that?
21:29:47 <ChrisL> jfkthame: adam langley I think
21:30:03 <ChrisL> ... several other commiters to that code
21:30:38 <ChrisL> Vlad:so fixing that would hit several
21:30:51 <ChrisL> ChrisL:firefox and dafari and chrome
21:31:10 <ChrisL> jfkthame: depends on timeline for updates
21:31:25 <ChrisL> tal: looking at otf changeog it looks very active
21:31:38 <ChrisL> jfkthame: also we would submit patches
21:31:52 <ChrisL> ... may be able to write the patches
21:32:05 <ChrisL> tal: so they do gsub and gpos now ...
21:32:13 <ChrisL> jfkthame: yes and we have that code
21:32:48 <ChrisL> http://w3c-test.org/framework/details/woff-ua/directory-overlaps-003/engine/presto/
21:33:28 <ChrisL> http://w3c-test.org/framework/details/woff-ua/blocks-extraneous-data-005/engine/gecko/
21:33:53 <ChrisL> ChrisL: these are errors, pressed wrong button on the form
21:34:27 <ChrisL> ChrisL: I assume trident uses their own code
21:34:37 <ChrisL> ... would be good if they could fix that
21:35:10 <ChrisL> Vlad: will ask Google if they plan to fix this soon, willsee them next week
21:35:21 <ChrisL> Topic; next meeting
21:35:43 <ChrisL> ChrisL: I'm travelling next week, in Australia
21:35:49 <ChrisL> Vlad: wil lbe at CS
21:35:59 <ChrisL> Vlad: cancel next week
21:36:18 <ChrisL> ... play by ear for next call
21:37:12 <ChrisL> adjourned
21:37:18 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
21:37:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/04-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
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21:37:33 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
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21:37:39 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
21:37:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/04-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
21:39:17 <Zakim> -Vlad
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